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To those in financial distress, more advice

I wanted everybody to know I pray for all of us and our nation daily.

I know you guys are doing sensible thing like gardening and I really like the guy with the preparedness products business idea. Just a couple other ideas/thoughts I hope might help someone. I've been well off and I've been poor. I know life from both sides. The first ideas are for those who need food on the table but I'll work around to some ideas for those of us with at least some working capital left.

1. It takes way more smarts to survive with nothing than to stay rich once you are there. You have to be ready to seize every opportunity no matter how small. Some of you were talking about snow shoveling and that's right on, when it snows, grab that shovel, bundle up and go door to door to dig cars out and shovel driveways. When it's warner, grab yourself a bucket and a squeegee and walk down mainstreet cleaning windows. Look after your elderlies--they might not be able to afford expensive, in-home care but they need some help now and then. Babysitting is always a standbye. And it sounds like practically everybody needs firewood this winter. Don't worry about which one of these you want to do, you want to do all of them. You are trying to build a client-base.

2. For all these services as well as raking leaves, handyman work, screw advertising in the paper. All you will do is sit by the phone waiting for it to ring. Get out, go door to door, and distribute inexpensive flyers. Half-sheet of paper flyers you print one out of on a computer then Xerox off a bunch at the cheap copy place ($0.10 at the copy shop or $0.20-0.3. per sheet with your printer) and hand them out. Hit the streets. Another hint, if you don't have a phone to get messages, get to the local convenience store and make a deal with them to handle it for you. Being friends with the local (not the franchise) convenience store is key in hard times.

3. Any of you in serious trouble that is eligible for SSI or SSD insurance but was too proud to take it till now, it's time to suck it up. Same goes with food stamps. You can volunteer time at the local free food bank to repay kindness, plus they hook you up with the good stuff. I'm sorry people but you've paid into it your whole working lives. If you get a little something back when you need it I'm glad.

4. To the young and strong, don't hesitate to investigate stories of plenty of work in LA, TX, WY and other areas. You don't want to be sitting around unemployed. Just look before you leap. Find out what specific towns are hiring and what cheap rentals/hotels are around there. Don't discount the stories on these boards that areas that are hiring also have attendant service industries (read: spouse can get a job too).

5. Of course there's nothing like being self-employed. There are some good margin businesses you don't need a degree or a bank loan for. I like food service when the chips are down. Hot dog carts can be real honeys in the right place. Hot dogs were the "depression sandwich". Catering can be a sweetheart deal and you don't need your own commercial kitchen, just some good local chefs that understand how to wholesale food out to you. And for all you bakers who just know you can market your chocolates and cookies, your commercial kitchen is probably at a local church where they have a code-compliant facility. Just make a deal for the use of the kitchen and deliver your product. These are just examples of low-cost-of-entry types of things. But they are very different examples. With hot dogs, you offer people cheap eats where they are hungry. With chocolates it's a bit different.

6. If you ran a business, you probably know how to run a business. It's tax time. Know how to fill out those dreadful forms? Quickbooks? Peachtree? Lots of people need help.

7. If you are fighting to stay in buinsess and you service your local market, this could be a life saver. I'm a web developer myself, and I'm amazed at how LITTLE it takes to OWN some markets online, and this can be a massive life saver. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU SERVICE PEOPLE should have a website targeting your specific local with your services. I never thought of it till now when some people asked me for help (in other words people who can't afford to pay me) and the results in many cases are out of this world.

8. If you are sitting on any kind of inventory you need to unload and you aren't using the power of the almighty internet, you need a geek marketer. I've come in for commission for deals like that. Furthermore, if you have a business or marketing idea on the internet, totally don't hesitate to start calling web developers to see if they want to do a deal. About 35% of web developers will listen to a deal proposal thoroughly and ask serious questions.

9. If you manufacture anything that Chinese people don't have, I want to hear about it. International trade is coming within the grasp of the small business or entrepreneur. I'm not talking about outsourcing anything to China folks, much the opposite. I'm serious, we're within reach of trading some of our unique value and products globally. A by-product of the patriot movement is turning out to be how we're....um.....globalized. OK, that was such a bad word to describe it to you folks right? Oh man.

Hey, just some thoughts. I was trying to think "now what can I tell them they don't already know?" But sometimes ideas give you ideas of your own.

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Freedom - Peace - Prosperity

System Devouring Americans

Don't let this happen to your family or friends. This evil system must end! If we can't end it soon we can expect to hear of more tragedies like the one in L.A. yesterday.


Build your communities and help each other out.


Interesting suggestons

As to all those Texas and Louisiana jobs.....I've had several customers that work in the oilfield tell me that rigs are being "parked" until oil prices rise. They're getting nervous about their jobs. At least 1 major oilfield supplier has announced layoffs. I suspect that situation will worsen until we see significant sustained increases in the price of oil.

Oyate: you are correct in that none that have paid into the FedGov programs should be too proud to try to get some of their money back in the form of SSI, SS, or any of the other initials. I've paid in for decades and will likely never see a penny of it.

To those considering looking for some of those babysitting, house cleaning, lawn mowing, jobs: I've done all of those jobs, and more like them, in the past. There's no shame in hard work. Do a good job and the referrals will start coming your way (that means no advertising costs).

If any hard-working patriots are in southeast Texas and in need of work, you are free to PM me via this site (pls note that I only check that email about once per week).

I say this over and over

on this type of thread. Find the seniors in your community and offer help painting, shoveling, cooking, cleaning, driving to appts, whatever. They need it and many of them are still flush with cash. Seriously, the homemakers and companions scammers take 50% of the caregivers income. You could offer those services at less and take home a good chunka change.

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Interview With God

I hope I don't really irritate some of you but I was sent this in an email this evening and it's so beautiful I wanted to share it with all of you. Sometimes we all need a little change of perspective.


Good thoughts

Much appreciated.

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~Ron Paul On the 911 Truth movement.

A thought...

I just posted this at another thread. I know there are some really good computer folks here. Is this an idea that could work? It probably wouldn't make the website much money but there can be other benefits with trade.


Detroit is a pretty good sized place. I'm thinking about a website where people, like your friend, can post their skills, things for sale or trade, things they need, etc. Get us back to a barter system. I know there are people on this site who are very computer savy (not me, unfortunately) and they would know what to do and how to do it. There are people everywhere who are stuck in situations they can't get out of and are doing the best they can but can't keep up. We could help them with something like this.

I've been reading a lot of the posts on DP this evening and I notice a sense of frustration and dispair. I can understand this but we can band together and help each other. I've always said that in times of crisis it's the PEOPLE of America who get together and get things done. We WILL do it again.

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If any of you needs help to promote your business in a professional way just email me through this!

I'm always ready to see some

I'm always ready to see some new designs.

4luvofliberty, do you have a portfolio online that I can view?

"Life's tough......It's even tougher if you're stupid."
-John Wayne

Anyone here from Ohio that

has some ebay skills who can help me post parts online for my salvage yard, I can pay per listing and just need some help part time. I have a worker doing it right now who is posting, taking the parts off, and shipping- who is a bit overwhelmed doing it all right now. I need to get these parts on faster, so I really need someone with experience who can work hand in hand with him. Drop me an email if you want to chat. Thanks.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Try craigslist

I know it isn't secured like "buyer protection", but....if you think you can sell locally put it on craigslist, have them come pick it up and you don't have to worry about shipping. I was on there today and saw a good handful of things i'd purchase. Also I think I have a book you might be interested in regarding Ebay, contact me and we'll see if we can barter....;)

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Jobs in hot demand

Check out anything to do with the current foreclosure market. Law firms, court clerks, process servers, etc. Business is booming.

I got a 2nd job last year at a law firm, working their 2nd shift at night. The 2nd shift has grown from 40 to over 50 people in less than 4 months! Most of the time there is no experience needed. Most of it is data entry, copying, scanning, opening mail, etc.

I like some of the ideas

above. Bookmarking to show to the husband. :)


Thank you for this

great thread. Bookmarked. I do babysitting every little bit helps. Good luck, Peace & Courage Patriots.

"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

Do you live near a military installation???

They always need some contract childcare. Due to the crazy hours the servicemen and women have. If you get licensed with the military childcare, you pretty much have automatic clients...

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Positive energy is good for the soul... thanks

"All great truths begin as blasphemies."

"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."

Know something, I'm usually

Know something, I'm usually really snide and snippy with people. Borderline troll. But I didn't understand how this board is getting beyond being a political campaign and into a people. Like at first it was just us, so I could say practically anything and everybody took it in stride. But now we're part of a continuing movement and people are coming to us for answers. And some of us are having a hard time, so we're doing exactly what we should be doing which is developing community relationships are relying on each other.

One thing I tried to do in this post is say something new, not just the old advice, but try to form examples. I held short of financial investment advice because I'm a producer, not a money-jockey. But I know our movement represents the very poor to the very rich. And I know we have land owners among us. And we have a deal for you:


You well off among us, those of you with productive land, take heed. Take notice and wisdom. Goodness will be rewarded. This I can promise you as the sun will rise tomorrow in the Eastern sky.

What a good post!

Thank you!

Good Post

I enjoy the creative ideas.

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Cheap places to live.

If you want to live cheaply, then Greensboro & Winston Salem, NC is a really good place to look. You can find a job around here and there's many many businesses. Even though we've had a lot of losses in many things, there is a lot going on here still. Plus, where can you find a room for $300 a month with all utilities?


A single person could work anywhere and live on that comfortably. If you need to live cheap, look at NC.

Stock up, it's gonna be a long winter.

A great empire, like a great cake, is most easily diminished at the edges. - Ben Franklin

Now that you mention it

I should have thought to say.....


If you are looking at being homeless, man, a serviceable camper trailer can be had for $2k or less. Standard amenities include a potty, a shower, a stove, an oven, a furnace, a kitchen sink and built-in furniture. You can tow them around or park them in a camp like the one I'm in for around $300/month plus all the hookups like water and electricity and sewer.

I have to maintain two locations presently, me in the mountains and the woman and kids down in the city and there's no way I could afford it all without this cheap, cozy camper. And it's a great part of the over all "if TSHTF" gear. We can pile ourselves, the kids, the dogs and the supplies into it and roll out of this town if necessary.

And man, let me tell you, it beats tent camping by a long shot.

Now the funny thing is occasionally people hear this and try to be funny by asking "are you trailer trash?" and I say no, honey, I'm CAMPER TRASH. Trailer trash is a couple steps up, it's what we aspire to be. That either gets them to laugh of they give you that look. That "OMG, who or what exactly am I talking to?" look.

Now even if the camper is beyond your means, let me show you a piece of equipment that will make you more comfortable and it could save your life. Actually, feast your eyes on this whole page:


But pay particular attention to these puppies:


No, I don't work for Cabelas and there's lots of places that sell this stuff, but the last link shows you portable wood stoves with hot water heater attachments. With one of these in the bed of the truck, you can scavenge fuel, cook, wash and keep warm almost anyplace. I got a similar unit, an Alaskan model and I keep it on the patio. With all the other equipment, it really works together. We can go anywhere and do for ourselves.

But having showed you guys wall tents, I have to tell you, the true state of the art tent for permanent living is truly from the living past. There is absolutely no tent in this world that beats a tipi for year-round comfort. There aren't too many tent designs in the world made for an open fire right in the middle. They are more stable in high winds than any tent design in the world period and that includes igloos. You can quilt the interior in the winter for added warmth or bull the sides up in summer for breezes. They go up in about 20 minutes when two people get good. When you get 3 or 5 good people, you can put up 3 tipis in 20 minutes.

Anyways, sorry to rattle on but ideas can make other ideas. Thanks to all of you for your compliments, I guess it's why I posted. I tend to forget just giving people encouragement is as helpful as anything else I can tell you.


Thank you for this great post! I'm sure, as you said, that the ideas you've put forth will generate other ideas.

I once watched a guy put a tipi up in less than 1/2 an hour by himself. He had spent the previous WINTER above the timber line in the Colorado Rockies in that tipi. It was, I think, a 20 foot diameter. He was setting it up, repairing, etc. and getting it ready for his next mountain stay. He had a floor in it and what I would call a 'wind baffle' that was an extra layer of canvas that went up from the ground several feet. He said you stack hay bales around the outside, or in snow, you pile the snow up around the base and that's great for insulation. Several feet of snow will keep the wind out. The main thing is to keep dry and keep the wind out and the fire in the middle will do the rest.

Anyone who goes the tipi route should practice putting it up before you get yourself off in the woods alone. You need to know your poles, how far apart to place them, direction to place the door, how to lay out the canvas, how your equipment works, etc. Lots to learn.

Speaking of hay bales, I've also read about houses built of hay bales and they are supposed to be quite warm and well insulated. They are cheap, primarily requiring a place to build it and a truck load of baled hay. They go up quickly and some plastic sheeting on the floor for a moisture barrier will help keep things dry. A camp stove in the middle, vented at the roof, like a tipi will be all the heat needed. I would think one could do an open pit fire if you are careful.

Then there is the ice cave. Most boys who have been in Scouts can build an ice cave. It's very much like an igloo and reasonably warm in an emergency. The biggest danger is suffocation if you don't vent it properly.

As for money, I would say your biggest asset is the skills you have. Take a look at your talents and skills. What do you like to do for a hobby? What tools do you have? What tools do you need and can you borrow, rent or trade for them? Barter will be very important. Everyone needs things and you might just have what someone else needs. Even if you are moving around and living in your camper you can do small carpentry jobs or something like that to trade for food or other necessities.

Once people start to look at possibilities other than going to the grocery store every day or "gotta have" this or that, it's surprising what they will be able to do. And do without.

More on Tipis

With a little checking around on the Internet this morning I've found a wealth of information about tipis. It's great to see that Mother Earth News is still around! I subscribed for many years and still have all my copies. Now they are online and there is a considerable resource for survival information on any subject.

Here is an article from 1979 about tipi living.


I come from a "survivalist mentality" and have many things prepared but there are also many things I can't do anymore so we have to adjust our thinking and planning to our abilities and those we will be with.

I think this is a wonderful post ...

Great job ...

I have an added suggestion ...

If you have a job, but are in debt and near dispair ...

Stop paying on your debt ...

Forget about what you think is ethical or not ...

A broken man/woman or a dead man/woman won't be able to pay the debt anyways ...

So look at it as the only ethical decision ....

Save every penny that would have gone to debt payment ...

Walk away from the home if you have to and rent ...

You know that you will make good on the debt when you can ...

That is all that matters ...

You will not be jailed assuming there is no fraud ...

Take care of yourself and your family first.

God bless and take care.


great post

very informative...thank you.


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Good post!

We're not to that stage yet but when rioting and looting and home break-ins escalate, everybody is going to want steel bars on their windows and beefed-up door security, egress codes be damned. Anyone with a welder can get started with bars that could be quickly mounted over a window.

Study how it's been done in other countries. You should be able to pull up lots of images for "barred windows," "window bars," etc. on google. Some barred windows are very ornate, with a lot of black-smithing involved but functionality will be the only requirement for many. They would remove the bars when stability returns. The simplest to attach would probably be mounted on the inside with big lag screws going into the studs and header. For those who want to preserve an egress option, hinges on one side and padlocks on the other could be considered. It may not meet code but it would address both security concerns (fire and breakins).

Window bars would not stop a thief with a battery-powered reciprocating saw and several batteries or some heavy-duty bolt cutters or an acetylene torch with small, portable tanks when nobody is home but the bars would slow them down long enough for a home occupant to grab their gun and call 911.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

Here are a couple

donate blood, help people move, home/ office cleaning, bake sales.

Idaho news reported

More people are selling their eggs and semen because of the economy!