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Ron Paul: Your Taxes Subsidize China

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Ron Paul
August 14, 2006

Each year the people of the United States write a check to subsidize China, one of the most brutal, anti-American regimes in the world. Lately it has been in vogue for everyone in Washington to eagerly denounce the egregious abuses of the Chinese people at the hands of their communist dictators. Yet no one in our federal government has been willing to take China on in any meaningful way.

Very few people realize that China is one of the biggest beneficiaries of American taxpayer subsidies. Thanks to the largesse of Congress and the President, China enjoys subsidized trade and the flow of US tax dollars into Beijing's coffers.

I offered an amendment before the House of Representatives last month that would have ended the $4 billion subsidy our nation quietly gives China through the US government's Export-Import Bank. The bank underwrites the purchases of goods and services by the Chinese government and others around the world. Unfortunately, only a minority of Democrats or Republicans supported my measure. Apparently, many members of Congress are happy to bash China, but don’t mind lending her U.S. taxpayer money at sweetheart interest rates.

Some of your money went to fund a nuclear power plant in Shanghai owned by the China National Nuclear Corporation, a state-run company. Many US-based multinational corporations benefit directly from Export-Import Bank subsidies to China, including Boeing, Westinghouse, and McDonnell Douglas. So it’s not hard to understand that business trumps the feelgood rhetoric condemning China.

There is no constitutional authority for Congress to make loans to any country, and certainly no basis for giving away the hard-earned cash of Americans to communist leaders who brutalize their women and children with forced abortions, and persecute Christians for their faith.

In reality, there is very little the federal government can do about conditions in China. Under our Constitution, the federal government simply does not have the authority to point a gun at Chinese leaders and force them to respect the principles of liberty. It just doesn't work that way.

I believe that by engaging the Chinese people, opening personal dialogue, and seeking to change their hearts and minds, we soon will see that regime collapse. The laws of economics dictate that a communist system cannot stand for long. But in the same way, I firmly believe there is a higher law which dictates that people exposed to the principles of liberty will not for long allow themselves to remain shackled to an oppressive government. Economic freedom, i.e. capitalism, now has a strong foothold in China. The Chinese people may soon demand political, religious, and personal freedom as well. But in the meantime let’s stop sending tax dollars to support a government we claim to despise.

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Here is the kind of fools we are !

During Vietnam a Motorola plant in China was making electronic chips used in land-minds in Vietnam to blow our soldiers legs off and kill them

Recently, it was discovered that China was making the U.S. Army's berets.

When I was in Beijing 2006 I saw in a Chinese mall a kiosk that was selling brand new American military uniforms with our Department of Defense (DOD) lables on them.

As of late, General Electric was selling land-mine components to an Italian company who sold land-mines to Egypt that in turn sold them to Saddam Hussein. Guess who is stepping and running over those same land-mines in Iraq today ? Our Soldiers and Marines !

General Smedley Butler USMC said in his book, War is a Racket, back in the '30's. http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

[Snip]

Beautiful ideals were painted for our boys who were sent out to die. This was the "war to end all wars." This was the "war to make the world safe for democracy." No one mentioned to them, as they marched away, that their going and their dying would mean huge war profits. No one told these American soldiers that they might be shot down by bullets made by their own brothers here. No one told them that the ships on which they were going to cross might be torpedoed by submarines built with United States patents. They were just told it was to be a "glorious adventure."

oh man

this is depressing.....
just to put everything in perspective the arms-weapons industry-trade is the number one industry in the world.....drug trade comes second.

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Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Gives you some perspective the level of conspiracy we are

either willing or unwilling to accept. Thanks for the post.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies."

"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."

It is all a cluster fuxxxk...

and guess who pays for it all??? We the so-called law abiding IRS/usa government paying tax idiots that continue to pay our taxes to a bunch of theives working for Lobbyists to support all that you quoted in your post...

I thought you made good with Mr. Nystrom

As for JKap ...

What was he right about?

I must have missed it.

WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994

Michael and me no problems here

JKap China thread......

http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/09/10/statement-to-ron-pa...
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LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
http://www.dailypaul.com/203008/south-carolina-battle-of-cow...
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Makes sense to me..

"Economic freedom, i.e. capitalism, now has a strong foothold in China."
That's the line in Dr. Paul's article that jkap disagreed with. I think the rest we agree on.

I am sure you could make your point without all the troll disinfo nonsense.

h-daddy

How could anyone disagree with that statement?

Obviously economic freedom has a foothold in China. Maybe Jkap doesn't know what "foothold" means?

From Merriam-Webster: foothold: "a position usable as a base for further advance." http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foothold

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"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul

when

you apply an electric current to the foothold...it does not seem to be so strong anymore.

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LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
http://www.dailypaul.com/203008/south-carolina-battle-of-cow...
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

yep and they use 240v not 110v over there... ouch!

"All great truths begin as blasphemies."

"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."

Trolls are obvious when they:

* Defend big government and government expansion
* Defend or are pro globalist policies and business monopolies
* Defend or argue for Commissions such as Warren or 9/11
THERE ARE PLENTY OF THOSE HERE...

"All great truths begin as blasphemies."

"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."

Sooooo... to translate...

"Anyone who disagrees with me is a troll."

Real open minded.

Quote-
"All great truths begin as blasphemies."

Blasphemy to who? You? Everyone else?

CHA-CHING!

No but if you start to do these things you will start to green:

* Defend big government and government expansion
* Defend or are pro globalist policies and business monopolies
* Defend or argue for Commissions such as Warren or 9/11

If you value small government and personal responsibility you would never take these positions therefore contradict why you would be here posting unless it be to create doubt and influence for government.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies."

"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."

How does supporting the 9/11 commision make me against

personal liberties? Because I believe they present the best scientific case?

Do I have to disagree with the government on everything in order to support personal liberties? What if the government said it was not going to run the country anymore? Would I have to call it a conspiracy to lure us into a false sense of security?

CHA-CHING!

Joe I specifically gave 2 commssions that are obvious cover-ups.

How does that represent EVERYTHING? Big Government is more prone to cover-up it's weaknesses than to disclose it and with these specific commissions that is exactly what occurred. If you defend these arguments it's obvious to me where you stand.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies."

"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."

I am a troll because I defend the 9/11 comission?

So you just don't want any dissenting opinion?

I don't think it's an obvious cover up. So far the truthers have failed to convince me otherwise.

CHA-CHING!

What has the federal government ever done to gain your faith?

I agree with the person below, it's up to you to open your mind and really dig into ALL sides (not "both") of something and come to a rational decision based on exhaustive research.
You're obviously a smart kid---who doesn't need my approval---but you really do need to understand that your beliefs and understanding can change without any personal injury.

:)

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I think you are an intelligent individual that needs to do his

own research. Read the report and research what was omitted from it. Research who was on the Commission and what members have said years after it was released. There is a wealth of knowledge there. Taking positions that someone has to prove something to you will only hurt you in the long run. Find out for yourself without others influencing your decision. Knowledge and the liberty to make up your own mind is what is important.

Opinions are like a$$holes as well so don't let someone else's get you all worked up. Nothing I said was mean spirited it was just my take after what I have learned through the years.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies."

"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."

are you serious?

do you truly believe that DP is not a target?

as a teen I lived in communist Poland and all opposition was targeted by the agents...priests school teachers....

a strong foothold can be turned into a strong hold on the foot by the metal applied to it...

http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/09/10/statement-to-ron-pa...
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LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
http://www.dailypaul.com/203008/south-carolina-battle-of-cow...
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I doubt

DP is a target but I really have no idea. But I know this. I am not a troll/disinfo agent etc. Every time anyone disagrees with someone...out come the stupid labels. "Jkap was right" is fine with me but what is the point of the rest of it? I think it degrades the entire site.

h-daddy

I have no fight with you

exchange of opinions is healthy...........its when a troll here and there works hard jumping on threads and doing his job.

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LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
http://www.dailypaul.com/203008/south-carolina-battle-of-cow...
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I've seen you attack truther's so don't get all high and mighty

"All great truths begin as blasphemies."

"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."

Hell why not!

"All great truths begin as blasphemies."

"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."

I have had some disagreements with

a few "truthers" over a few specific topics but I try to keep it civil. I rarely get personal.

h-daddy

Yes but your condescending

Yes but your condescending tone isn't very palatable... I will say that of all the official mythers you are the most polite. I respect that...

"All great truths begin as blasphemies."

"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."

"mythers"...Lol. I love it.

Good one.

I'll watch the condescending thing. It isn't intentional.

Subconscious maybe??

h-daddy

It's damn hard being human... thanks for the consideration

"All great truths begin as blasphemies."

"Human beings with love and compassion are some of the most beautiful creatures in the universe... Those without are a plague on us all."