Ron Paul and Donations from alleged racists.
Submitted by SWWeiss on Sun, 11/18/2007 - 16:27I am going to speak frankly here. I hope I don't offend anyone. It is not my intention.
If you are worried that Paul will look bad because he received donations from some less than popular individuals or groups, look at it this way.
Paul is an anti-war candidate. He is AGAINST the wanton killing of people based on their religion and color. While the Republican status-quo candidates are calling for a continuation of this religious war in Iraq, Paul wants to bring this to an end.
Some of these groups promote nationalism and socialism. This is the polar opposite of what Paul stands for.
Paul is against the government programs, which in order to continue support votes for the die-cut candidates on both sites, have kept those who are poor and of color, in bondage.
Ron Paul has been steadfast in his convictions for over 30 years, and has not flipped-flopped. He has stuck to his guns and maintained his message of liberty and prosperity for everyone! Why would several hundred or a thousand dollars suddenly change his mind?
This is what we need to tell those who now assume that Paul is pandering to racists, and anti-semites.
We have nothing to fear. GO RON PAUL!
I'm offended..
..and dismayed that you would give this so much press. IGNORE IT.
Put it in personal terms to make it easier
(This is someone else's idea, but it helped me think about the issue.) You yourself have $500 from a hateful person, who freely gave it to you despite your beliefs to use as you wish. You don't plan to use the $500 to spread hate (actually, the opposite!). Should you return the money to a person who very well might use it for hateful (or even violent) purposes? Why??
With the media bias these days, they'd probably spin it to "Candidate gives $500 to a racist" without ever including the "back." Money is fungible, after all. We've seen the biased agenda, and all of us know the vanishingly-small percentage of "us" they're talking about, so we also must know that with bias like we've already seen, there's no "winning" this one. IMO.
JMR
No Worries!
Ron Paul 2008 updated the issues list. This one directly addresses any concerns on this topic:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/racism/
Official Statement from the Campaign
"Dr. Paul stands for freedom, peace, prosperity and the protection of inalienable individual rights for every American. All of our campaigns energy is dedicated to spreading the message of liberty and limited government, and we do not spend time screening donors or blocking websites. We don’t know who Don Black is, and pay him no attention. If a small number individuals who hold racist beliefs want to waste their money by giving to Dr. Paul, a man who stands firmly against their small minded ideologies, then the campaign will simply use those funds to protect freedom, peace and civil liberties across our Nation."
anyone have a link to RP's statement
I saw awhile back on a thread but now cannot find...concerning these race allegations...unless my memory isn't serving correctly, a statement either from an interview or some other written response where Dr. Paul shortly and simply rebuttles these allegations. Am I making this up? If not, does someone have a link? Thanks :)
The title of the article is
"What Really Divides Us"
It's basically an condensed, less articulate version of Ayn Rand's famous anti-racist essay found in "The Virtue of Selfishness"
Here's a link to Rand's essay:
http://freedomkeys.com/ar-racism.htm
And Paul's short article:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul68.html
Screening-out objectionable donors is absurd.
What are Ron's people supposed to do, consult a huge data base of personal information on every individual in the world to make sure every one of his contributors passes muster? Such a thing is in direct opposition to what Ron Paul stands for. He is against the collection of dossiers on people. He is smart to not return the $500.
May The Force be with him.
jg
Joan G, you are wrong.
Dr. Paul is against the GOVERNMENT collecting dossiers on people. Under his libertarian/constitutionalist views, PRIVATE organizations like the Ron Paul campaign are allowed freedom of association: the right to assocation and NOT associate with whoever they want. And the Ron Paul campaign does not need to screen-out the entire list of contributors to eliminate anyone who doesn't pass muster. We need to eliminate just this one. If opposing campaigns want to waste their time reviewing the backgrounds of all Ron Paul contributors, then be my guest, let them waste their time. However, they wont, IF we would return the money to the Nazis, because they will then know even if they find some other loser, that the campaign will simply return that money, and they will be wasting even more time.
There is no hypocrasy here. Do not confuse the Ron Paul campaign, or any other private organization, with the government. An $8,000,000 campaign does not need the anti-semitic $500 contribution of a bunch of losers. We certainly do not WANT their money if it is going to cost us more votes than it will gain, which it most certainly will.
We owe the antisemitic racist scumbags nothing more than what we already have provided to every American: an ironclad guarantee of freedom and liberty if Ron Paul is elected. Return the money to them, tell them their money is not wanted and any future moneys will be returned, and that as much as we are disgusted by them, if Ron Paul is elected, they will be allowed to continue spewing their hate-filled venom. Goodbye and goodnight.
Its her opinion ,who are you
Its her opinion ,who are you to tell her she is wrong.
Keep the money and send them a thank you note.
They get to support someone also,just cause you dont like them ,means nothing more than that.
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
Its MY opinion that she is wrong about not
returning the money. It is MY opinion that keeping the money will cost more votes than it gains, and that $500 is a measly drop in the bucket that the campaign does not need. Who are you to tell me I am wrong? I think it is a pretty safe assumption that this is something that could cost us more votes than it gains. That is not hard to believe when the donation is coming from a neo-nazi.
However, it is a FACT that the neo-nazis have no constitutional right to have their money forced upon a private organization like the Ron Paul campaign. It is a FACT that, due to the freedom of association clause included in the first amendment to the Constitution, the Ron Paul campaign has every right to deny anyone's monetary support.
As I said, the neonazis should be told they already have everything they are ever going to get from the Ron Paul campaign: the right to free speech, just like everyone else gets. Other than that, give them their money back, or better yet, give it to some scholarship organization for Jewish children. The P.R. value of that would be priceless, and would get us votes. You do want votes, dont you?
Playing Right into the MSM's hands
Ron has taken the right approach on this issue. He cashes checks. He doesn't run background checks. If he returns one guy's money then the media is going to start going over each and every donation, and every week it's going to be, "Look, Ron Paul got a donation from a racist/bircher/militiaman!" and they'll be asking whether he intends to return the check. This is the kind of irrelevant bullcrap the MSM loves. If we fall in to their trap and play along, we'll be finished. Ron's positions on racism, like his position on every single issue under the sun, is crystal clear. Whenever they bring up nonsense like this, we should answer with Ron's own words and his 30 year record of consistent, principled voting.
Fat and drunk maybe ,I have
Fat and drunk maybe ,I have no way to know ,but stupid u r not.
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
How the heck is Paul goin to
How the heck is Paul goin to know where the money came from?
Did they hurt you?Red straps and straight lace
You seem so full of rage and hate,its okay you dont have to like them and they dont have to like you ,but right now we are all in getting paul elected together.
To tell someone they are not good enough to join us in changing the nation is not only hypocritical but obnoxious.
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
An Essay I wrote on the subject.
I have my blog linked to my facebook, where I have the most readers. This was an essay I wrote on the subject of racism, pointing out the racist-collectivism-entitlements philosophy of specifically Barak Obama & the top tier democrats.
Tell me what you think:
http://vijayrajwani.wordpress.com/
Vijay.
Yes, noone's quarter buys Ron Paul.
I wonder if Americans can actually believe that a man is running for president who does not sell his political soul to the prejudices or opinions of any of his supporters, fair or foul. When I talk to people about Ron Paul, I find cynicism to be the default position of many attitudes. But you are right, just gotta keep pluggin'. Its all about "old school" principles and integrity. Thanks for the post.
We saw this coming months ago.
The issue is that Dr. Paul's belief in reeling in the US Empire around the world, immediately effects Israel as they are the biggest US empire at over $10 million a DAY since 1948. OR $183 Billion total plus interest. Whatever you prefer.
It is only logical that the "Israeli Union/Lobby" would try to make him an antisemitic racist. I think the thing to do when this kind of hate speech towards Dr. Paul comes up in the various comment sections etc is not to attack Israel, because then we look antisemitic and that hurts everyone, because I know we ARE NOT antisemitic. Instead refer to it as hate speech and post this link.
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/racism/
Maybe others can comment.
www.ronpaullibrary.org
Where is the Rudy Library and the Mitt Library. Has anyone found them? Do we even know if they can write?
It's not easy to live in a
It's not easy to live in a free society where EVERYONE'S peaceful expression is protected. Our society has been slowly drifting away from this high standard, toward the abyss of censorship, thought crime, and sanctioned political correctness for many years. Easy to tolerate - and often not even noticed - when it is not your views that are being systematically targeted.
It is no wonder that people living on the ideological fringes support Ron Paul, because he would protect everyone's speech and their right to live as they choose equally; no matter how uncomfortable their ideas might make us feel.
To me, these groups are like canaries in the coal mine of freedom. When their voices fall silent, it is a sign that our freedom is in jeopardy and our voices could be silenced next.
Would it not be hypocritical to shun donations from someone who supports the freedom message because we don't agree with some of their ideas? Do racists have any less of a right to hold their beliefs or live freely than Catholics, or equestrians, or abortionists, or transvestites, or stamp collectors, or you or I? Isn't that part of Dr. Paul's message?
I appreciate the public relations "problem" caused by the campaign accepting donations from people whose views are unpopular, but just like Dr. Paul's position on the Fed, this also provides an opportunity to educate the public about the true nature of freedom and why Dr. Paul is the only candidate who stands up for all of us.
“Wasting a vote is sometimes voting for somebody that you don't really believe in."
-Ron Paul
Just the facts..
1) Hillary will likely be endorsed by the socialist and communist parties of USA. I have also read where they said Obama or Hillary would be fine with them.
2) Both Hillary and Obama openly pander to ORGANIZED racist groups and take money from them. Obama's church is admittedly what is called 'black separatist'.
3) Hillary was even actually CAUGHT taking laundered money from a) a convicted criminal and b) people who couldn't possibly afford it -- meaning it was funneled.
4) No one that I know of has demanded they give any of this money back, do you?
5) Do what Ron does -- ignore these idiots that are demanding Ron denounce this or that or give back money. In America, no one has to pass a purity of heart test before they are allowed to vote.
Repeat: IGNORE THESE PEOPLE!
Do you think such a juvenile prank will help Ron Paul?
If you think about that, I am sure you will come up with the right answer. Better to send that donation to Ron's campaign instead of trying to embarrass hillary with it. It could backfire and embarrass Ron instead. Everything his followers do has the potential to reflect on him, for better or worse. Besides, you may be breaking some law if you falsely put some nefarious person's or group's name on your donation.
Go Ron Paul! May The Force be with you.
jg
Us given loot to Hillary has
Us given loot to Hillary has nothing to do with Paul,or anyone else for that matter
Im not a follower of anything .I chose my own paths and I support Paul because he supports what I believe in.The babyboomers did enough following for this country ,now s the time to lead
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
I'm going to
i'm going to send hitlery a donation in the form of a money order and sign it , the communist party usa.
I'll copy the money order and post it on the web.
fight fire with fire
ve va le revolution
Dude that is awsome! I wish
Dude that is awsome!
I wish I had thought of that!!
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
lets
lets do it to all the canidates except you know who.
I'll send another to another canidate from aryan nations.
and another from al qeuada
and the klu klux klan
and the aryan brother hood
man this could be fun and would be worth 5 bucks each.
ve va le revolution
Send one to Mitt from
Send one to Mitt from NMBLA
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
i was
i was attempting to add that to it but it booted me when i spelled out what nambla meant.
ve va le revolution
LOL I didnt know it was even
LOL
I didnt know it was even real ,thats Fd up
I just saw it on an old Law and order
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
it's real
i lived in pinellas park florida and asked my neighbor, where's the women ?
he got all sick looking and said they're all whores.
i thought it was funny, but then that day he helped me with my computer, and the next thing i know i was looking a pix of a man suking off another one.
the web page was a friend of his down the street.
he was the founder of nambla
the national men boy lovers association of america.
i told that freak to get the hell out of my house and that was that.
nambla is real.
ve va le revolution
speachless "The strongest
speachless
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
Philosophy
The racist guy from storm-front has to eat, does he not?
If he goes to the local pizza place and buys a slice of pizza does that make the pizzaria owner a racist?
If he goes to the Wal-Mart and buys a T-Shirt does that make everyone working at Wal-Mart a racist? Does that make Sam Walton's entire family racist?
If this guy gave $500 to boy scouts of America does that make THEM racist?
If this guy bought a box of cookies from the girl scouts, does that make the girl scouts racist?
Fact is, it doesn't.
The reality is that Giuliani and Hillary Clinton are both guilty of more racist things. It is reported that Clinton has spouted on a number of times anti-semetic things. Giuliani made a video dressed in African garb criticizing a "lazy lion" at the zoo, he may as well have been in black face.
If people want to compare who's the real racist let's look at the Theocrat Huckabee, or the war on Islam that's going on overseas and here in this country.
Every time Giuliani or other neocons say "Islamofacist" it reminds me that the nation of Islam in America, and that a large percentage of them are black. Muhammad Ali would be an Islamofacist in the eyes of Giuliani, so would a lot of prominent black people in America. They've been spitting rhetoric, and have been pushing scapegoating on the Muslims in this Country.
I remember my father of all people talking about this, saying that all Muslims want to do is blow a building up and get their virgins. I tried to explain it to him that that simply isn't true, that I went to school and had some Muslim friends, and I think after a few years of talking to him about it I set him straight, he says if Ron Paul gets the Republican Nomination that he'll vote for him without a doubt.
better idea
Tell your dad that he should vote for him in the primary, and then if he does not win the Republican nomination he does not have to vote at all in the general election.
www.ronpaullibrary.org
Where is the Rudy Library and the Mitt Library. Has anyone found them? Do we even know if they can write?