Short Notice: L$@%#&@ is Calling 11/19!!!
REVISITED
HOW BOUT JUST FORGIVE ME, AND LEAVE IT AT THAT? MY HEART WAS IN THE RIGHT PLACE, AND I APPRECIATE THE BACKGROUND INFO. TOM MADISON BELOW SOME IT UP WELL IN SAYING THAT WE ARE ALL LEARNING A LOT....
LOVE YOU ALL
FRITZ
Paul's and Paula's,
Forgive me if this has already been brought up.... But tomorrow is the anniversary of the Gettysburg Address. His words standing as true and poignant as ever. It is ours to continue this fight for Freedom through increased devotion to this cause.
I know that we are all preparing, (socking away every penny for TEA), but I think that this is as great an opportunity as any to send another message. Given there is a lack of time to prepare everyone.
My suggestion, a Support Bomb! (sure it is not a new idea) but it would really be something if we could get everyone to donate just $5 (nothing more, nothing less, as that is the minimum) our true goal this day instead to show the shear number of supporters, and how serious we consider the task at hand.
If someone has the ability, make more of this, spread word somehow. I trully lack the know-how to get this word out. Below is the of course the full Gettysburg Address. I think that you may be able to persuade some of your friends that might be on the fence if you remind them of the power of this great speech. That WE are in fact the Government, and that WE owe those how have gave the ultimate sacrifice to maintain our Liberty.
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation, so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
The immediate, belittling
The immediate, belittling comments made by some people on this forum is somewhat discouraging at times. There are many know-it-alls who have a tendency to make condescending remarks to people without realizing that daily many new people to Ron Paul check out this forum. It doesn't do any good to diminish people's new-found excitement and curiosity by slamming them in the face every time that new person posts a topic or reply that others on this forum don't agree with.
I like to try to persuade through reason and discourse rather than bang someones head into the wall. I've learned my lesson that reason is the best way to communicate because what we are fighting for is the hearts and minds of people who have been mentally enslaved for most of their lives.
I truly did appreciate your post because I knew you were trying to stir up excitement for Ron Paul. I appreciate your kind words.
Tom
I was just defending new members on another thread, and have before. A poster suggested that to see if someone's trustworthy, look at how long they've been a member, and how many meetups they've attended. If someone has just recently found RP, or chose to be a guest for awhile before signing up, they're new. We need to read their posts, comment and educate politely, and welcome them. I too was getting pretty discouraged the past couple days. We want to get the word out, yet when new supporters sign on, they get attacked for being new, or for their opinions.
Trolls and flamers stick out by their posts, not by being new. Why would we chase supporters away with 'I've been here longer than you' and worse? I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who feels this way. Mean people suck....
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors."
- Plato
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors."
- Plato
Courtesy Goes A Long Way
So many new people to Ron Paul are shocked about what he is saying because they have never heard it before. Naturally they are going to have questions and some of them are going to sound very ignorant. I saw this one lady ask something about Obama and man, the venom was toxic. I wouldn't doubt that she never returned again.
The arrogance at which people respond is just amazing which makes them little different from the arrogance of the people we are trying to defeat.
Good Links
Hi Fritz
Others have already linked to Thomas DiLorenzo (he is an expert on the Lincoln scam) but I like to read Charlie Reese too.
Charlie (I think) is a classic southern liberal (i.e. conservative) and at times i have seen him throw in some good history on the south and the war as he covers other topics. I think he is great and you could read some of his archives if you like. I am including a link to his archives at antiwar.com and lewrockwell as well as a link to this article titled " Expensive Ignorance".
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reese/reese322.html
Check them out when you have time and here is the money quote: " It's my belief that if people don't understand the South, including the Confederacy and Reconstruction, then they don't understand America. If you've been taught that it was a civil war, which is a misnomer, that it was "all about slavery," then you've been robbed of the knowledge of the most important phase of American history next to the Revolution. Some perceptive historians have called that period America's French Revolution. It was a clear break from the constitutional republic to a nationalistic government, which became, as predicted, an empire. "
http://www.antiwar.com/reese/archives.php
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reese/reese-arch.html
Lincoln quote
"Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose -- and you allow him to make war at pleasure . . . If, today, he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him, 'I see no probability of the British invading us'; but he will say to you, 'Be silent; I see it, if you don't.' "
Lincoln was a DICTATOR
And further, it was through the debt created during his war that the Federal Reserve came into being. While he is credited with freeing the slaves, he actually enslaved us all.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
Lincoln: A Patriot? No, A Tyrant
This is from The Emancipation Proclamation. It only declares that the slaves in areas not controlled by the Union were declared free. Why didn't Lincoln free all of the slaves in every state? Because the war was never about slavery. Please do some research into Abraham Lincoln and you will see that he was much more of a tyrant than Bush yet Bush is catching up.
Please watch these videos posted on LewRockwell.com
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo132.html
Now, therefore I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander-in-Chief, of the Army and Navy of the United States in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and government of the United States, and as a fit and necessary war measure for suppressing said rebellion, do, on this first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and in accordance with my purpose so to do publicly proclaimed for the full period of one hundred days, from the day first above mentioned, order and designate as the States and parts of States wherein the people thereof respectively, are this day in rebellion against the United States, the following, to wit:
Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, (except the Parishes of St. Bernard, Plaquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James Ascension, Assumption, Terrebonne, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the City of New Orleans) Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia, (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkley, Accomac, Northampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Ann, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth[)], and which excepted parts, are for the present, left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued.
By the way Fritz
I know your heart is in the right place. You want to see Ron Paul succeed. Please ignore those whose first instinct is to insult. Don't let it discourage you. We are all learning more and more about the concepts of freedom. We have had many years of "education" that has brainwashed us into thinking that government gives us freedom. Many of us are excited as we break out of our slave-minded paradigms and study and learn about the true concepts of liberty.
Thank you
Sincerely for your understanding
Lincoln!?
Why not commemorate FDR's 1933 gold seizure? I'm sure he had some fine sounding words for the occasion.
I dont understand
i dont understand the concept of forcing states to remain in a volentary union ?
kind of defeats the point behind the founders actions.
ve va le revolution
Lol are we on edge
. Guys and gals beating up on each other is not good, his intent was a good one, even if everyone here does not agree, you have to understand at times, that not everyone has the deep knowledge as everyone else. If everyone was smart to history to that level everyone would vote for paul but to bash him for his good intent is not what paul would do.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
Thank You on Thanksgiving for Ron Paul
Why don't we all throw a few dollars in the pot for Ron Paul on Thanksgiving day? It would be our way of saying THANK YOU Dr. PAUL!!!
And then get out there on Black Friday with your slim jims and lets do some grass roots person to person advertisising! This is the week to do it. The primaries are very close. We can not wait any longer! The time is at hand
Lets give Ron the $$$ to rip New Hampshire wide open now!
We would still have close to 4 weeks to save for the Tea Party.
Lets do it!!!!
PS. Check out the new slim jims on the Tip Tax. Get some to every eatery in your city. Its awesome!!!
Lincoln was no hero...
To ANY freedom loving person... His goals in his own words, had NOTHING to do with freeing slaves. His goal was to eliminate states rights.
He was one of the MOST hated men while he lived. People feared he would install himself as a dictator.
He saved a portion of the population by SLAUGHTERING another portion. While the rest of the world solved the slavery problem economically, he chose to round up immigrants (enslaved the Irish) to slaughter citizens to do it... And let's not forget, slavery was already being abandoned by the states...
So let Romney have his Gettysburg fundraiser... We'll stick to supporting those who supported freedom for all.
The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.jonathangullible.com/mmedia/PoL.English.The.Philo...
I agree that the post-Civil
I agree that the post-Civil War US was essentially a new animal, and a worse one, due to the previously unheard of power of the central government. But your treatment of Lincoln, the man, is unfair. The overwhelming majority of Lincoln bios, even those written specifically to cast light on the disastrous results of his actions, all understand that his motivations were not malicious.
It has been said that Lincoln "destroyed the Constitution in order to save it" (an admittedly blood-curdling notion), and I believe that's how he saw it. I view Lincoln as a man who felt he was in a no-win situation. Clearly he chose the wrong path, and the ultimate results were disastrous, but hindsight is 20/20.
Of course I understand why people at the time were outraged. Lincoln's image gradually improved until he became viewed as our greatest president, but now it has begun to erode again. I often wonder if Bush will have a similar, if more muted, legacy. He is despised now, but maybe if things continue as they are he will be viewed as a visionary (I am *not* endorsing such a thing, just speculating), ultimately suffering Lincoln's fate as people wake up to the horrors of what he set in motion. (The difference being that Bush has a clearly malicious agenda, in my judgment.)
Food for thought I guess.
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Lincoln DID install himself as Dictator.
When the southern states walked out of Congress the US ceased to exist per the Constitution, due to a lack of the required quorum. Lincoln no longer had the privledge of President, as the USA no longer existed, only the state governments still had legitamacy. This is when he issued Presidential Order #1. He was acting as a dictator.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
+1 "The strongest reason for
+1
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms is ,as a last resort ,to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-Thomas Jefferson
No Lincoln for me!
You are soooooooo right!
This is why they call you
This is why they call you a Paultard. Lincoln is singlehandedly the main reason we are in this huge mess to begin with. Every time I see one of you post on Lincoln or include his quotes and pictures in Ron Paul videos i get sick to my stomach. You only show how little you understand about American History. Get it together man!
Did you read the substance or just the title?
Regardless of what Lincoln stands for (to you, and some others) there is a message in the Gettysburg Address that transcends the bad you find in this man.
I wonder how you would have fared freeing slaves and trying to keep the US together. It is truly regardless, and I will agree that Lincoln is an enigma.
I hope that in your pursuit to help Dr. Paul, you are able to find people that are willing to look past the surface and look to the substance of Dr. Paul.
I can assure you that Dr. Paul would far rather an association with Lincoln than one with someone who thinks Retardation is some how humerous and name calling is a good way to begin an argument.
I love you still,
Fritz
Ron Paul has stated publicly
That he doesn't believe the Civil War was required to free the slaves. It would have happened on its own. He points to countries in South America that ended slavery peacfully.
The industrial revolution which began a couple of decades after the war would have been a natural end to slavery, as machines replaced most manual labor due to cost efficency.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
Fritz
Don't get mad at me...i love everybody and Ron Paul too! I would bet my next commission check that RP would back up my stance on this one. Just go look for his original visit to the Bill Maher show. Maher tried to insinuate that RP was a racist when it was Lincoln that was the real racist.
I will not give any money to anybody associated with Lincoln. And i sure wish the "paulanteers" would stop referencing this man. The man was a tyrant a racist and a wannabe dictator. He makes Bush look like an amateur. The slaves (just like the rest of the world) would have eventually been freed w/o all of the killing. Killing of Americans! Southern Culture would not have been set back 100 years and most importantly...the union just might have been divided. That's right...i said IT WOULD be divided. So what? There is every chance that it would have gotten back together over time. And even if it didn't get back together what difference does that make? At least "States Rights" would still mean something. Heck i long for the day that my great Republic of Texas decides to leave the union. Good by IRS at that point. Cheers.
In addition...
Bush has made some truly inspiring speeches as well. Regardless of the crap he takes for his mangling of the english language, he is truly a gifted orator on his good days...
So should we commemorate one of his speeches as well?
The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.jonathangullible.com/mmedia/PoL.English.The.Philo...
Not according to Paul...
If you happened to catch the bit where Paul discussed it on Maher.
The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.jonathangullible.com/mmedia/PoL.English.The.Philo...
you put the love in R-evol-ution
Thank you
bad idea
lincoln was a neo-con if there was ever one. Wrong message to be sending. Boston Tea Party is much more in line with Dr. Paul.
I don't think so...
What I have read on the LewRockwell.com website has made me realize that Lincoln was not the great hero I was taught to believe he was.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo127.html
Go ron Paul! May The Force be with you.
jg
Don't get distracted
focus on December 16th
Nice idea, but watch out.
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I admire Lincoln as you do, but there are quite a few people on Daily Paul who will inform us all about what a rotten person and president he was. I don't know if such arguments have merit, but when I quoted Lincoln in the past I got hit with a volley of indignation.
Still, I like your post. And I like Abe too.
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Whether you like Lincoln or not...
The Gettysburg Address is one of the greatest calls to continue the fight for Liberty and honor those who have died fighting for it!