Homeless man sentenced to 10 days in jail for eating fish from stream
A 23-year-old transient was sentenced to 10 days in County Jail on Wednesday for catching and cooking a federally protected steelhead trout from San Luis Obispo Creek.
Victor Manuel Silva was convicted of illegally taking and possessing wildlife. Wildlife officials said the poaching was a blow to the species because the fish was an egg-carrying female that was killed before she had a chance to spawn. Her eggs were strewn along the banks of the creek.
Silva was arrested Sunday at 5 p.m. at the Elks Lane Bridge over San Luis Obispo Creek. Warden Teri Hickey had responded to the area as a result of a tip.
When she arrived, she found a group of three or four homeless men camped out beneath the bridge, cooking a large fish over a fire and getting ready to eat it.
“They had slices of lemon and a loaf of sourdough bread,” Fish and Game Lt. Dean Hileman said. “It was almost a meal fit for a king.”
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/183/story/603958.html
What would Ron Paul say about this?
He should have been sentenced...
to incarceration with Bernie Madoff in his multimillion dollar Manhattan apartment! He stole a fish, when all Madoff did was steal billions of dollars.
good point
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He dared...
...to kill a dear in the King's forrest.
Nuts!
Remember the phrase,...."Would you rather give a man a fish or teach him how to fish?" Obviously, this guy knew how to fish and was penalized for it.
Unbelievable!
So for 10 days he gets a bed to sleep on and 3 meals a day!
In his world that is probably not such a bad thing, eh?
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And its going to cost how much from taxes???
It was a crime that they attempted to take care of themselves.
what!
You have got to be kidding me! Has the system gone completely insane?
Food for thought . . . . .
U.S. Congress Imports 182,000 Immigrants into USA Every Month:
Every 30 days, our U.S. Congress imports 182,000 immigrants into the United States. About 100,000 arrive legally and from 82,000 to 100,000 arrive illegally each month. They flood our cities at a rate of 2.2 to 2.4 million annually. Several other sources show greater numbers from visa overstays, chain migration and anchor babies that never make the population charts.
While the U.S. maintains a stable population via balanced births and deaths of its own citizens, these immigrants make America the third fastest growing nation in the world behind China and India.
I live in California. Fifty years ago, fish and orchards were abundant. Now we have dead zones, as in nothing.
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
good points
but at the same time the Elite robbed those countries therefore made its population to migrate..........
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How dare he eat one of the
How dare he eat one of the kings fish.
-MY OPS ARE BLACKER THAN YOUR OPS-
-MY OPS ARE BLACKER THAN YOUR OPS-
Eating Fish = 10 days in
Eating Fish = 10 days in jail
Stealing 50 Billion = living large in 5 million $ penthouse
Amerika.
Great Post!
Your few words spoke VOLUMES.
Here's a question Would you
Here's a question
Would you rather have a homeless man fend for himself or would you rather have tax payers support him?
Why didn't he go to a shelter.
Pride?
Ignorance?
bad food?
Here's a crazy idea.
Wildlife officials should hire him to protect the fish.
Also,species die off all the time,by people/governments directly or indirectly,and nature has a hand in it too.IT JUST HAPPENS
The liberty of a man was taken for trying to feed himself. - That should have been the headline.
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tax payers support him
I'd prefer the tax payers support him than he fend for himself on taxpayers land or worse, private property.
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Just curious
How does that equal individual freedom? I'm not attacking just want to see where your coming from. I get that your concerned about having species continue and game laws being enforced.
But, with all the screwed up things government has done, what makes you believe them when they say a certain fish or mammal needs protecting and you can't fish for sustenance out of a public water way. We the people own that, not the government, no matter what they say.
Would you really have a man be a ward of the state rather than fend for himself? Below I made a satirical point about, if I were him what I'd do, but seriously, if a person is hungry and has the know how to procure food for themselves, without becoming dependent on the rest of us which is better?
If me or my family is hungry, then the heck with artificial game and fish laws, written and passed by folks that have never even seen a fish that wasn't already cooked.
An example of government conservation laws: Last time I went deep sea fishing in the gulf of mexico, the feds had lowered the creel limit on Red Snapper to 2 fish per person, we left at 7 am, by 8:30 everyone on the boat had reached their limit, we spent the next 10 hrs catching snapper and throwing them back. The limit was artificial, not saying the trout thing is, but why believe the government?
As a rule of thumb it would seem prudent to actually find the exact opposite of any government rule or regulation and instead do that.
Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
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Individual Freedom
His individual freedom is the right to buy a license and follow the rules.
I pointed out in a post below, I too have issues with fish and game.
I believe our government lost its way when they went off a conservation agenda and onto an environmental one, UN Agenda 21..
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So life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the right to
to buy a license.
I disagree I believe the government (in this aspect) lost their way when they decided they knew better how to run people's lives, what they eat, what they wear, what the grow, where they go, etc. than the individual.
I agree whole heatedly with you on the UN, but I take it a step further and leave it up to the people. To provide for their life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
I also agree with you on he/she/them have no business on private property, that is trespassing and definitely poaching. But notice I said private property.
If I am in the middle of my 75 acres, my family needs the meat, and the best time I can get a deer is 1 in the morning in the middle of summer, that is no business of the government. If I am on another persons property that means I have violated the rights of that property owner.
As far as public property I can see where discharging a firearm could be very problematic, however if we the people are hungry, we the people have a natural right to catch a fish, or somehow trap, stun, or otherwise procure food on public land, it is our land. Should we butcher all the game and dynamite the lake? Of course not. I see where you are coming from to an extent, but I believe that mans natural right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness trumps his "right" to buy a license, or become a ward of the state.
From a standard of conserving resources, I can guarantee that guy could eat fish for every meal for the rest of his life, and not squander near the resources, natural and otherwise that the government would waste on keeping him for those 10 days.
Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
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Yes
It's the same principle Ron Paul applied to the Browns who were arrested for not apying income tax. Ron paul said, "Dissent is necessary to make changes, but if you break the law, you WILL be arrested."
Are you familar with UN Agenda 21?
I think it would be wonderful if man's natural right to persue life, liberty and happiness was possible, but it is not because the system that has been placed before us finds there is profit in making misery, not happiness.
The fish the homeless man killed could have fed your family and mine had it lived to lay it's eggs. What he did was wrong. UN Agenda or not.
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contradiction?
You contradict yourself when you say "I think it would be wonderful if man's natural right to pursue life, liberty and happiness was possible" Then turn around and want people to be punished for doing it, don't you think? Good thing the men on the frontier didn't have these problems or most of early America would be sitting in jail. So you mean to tell me that your family and mine can have the fishes offspring but those men have to starve. What the he!! kind of free country do you want.
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson
What I believe
Is that we have a system designed to fail, We do not have a wise and frugal government. Mary Croft says we haven't had a government since the federal reserve bank took over. I can believe that.
We have a corporation running this country that would rather shoot all the buffalo to control an native indian population and then blame the indians.
So what I'm saying is, while I think and belive, it would indeed be a blessing to have a government by, of and for the people, and our elected actually stood for the principles in the constitution and bill of rights, they don't. They are nothing but armed IRS agents doing to US what they did to the American Indian Natives before, but on a much larger scale. The eye in the sky isn't imaginary..
Ron Paul has a sign on his desk, "Don't steal, the government does not like competition". That is exactly what this is about, and what's going to happen with this news is the CA government is going to make sure everyone knows... no fishing, no hunting, no gleaning,... they have approved the FEMA camps, so fishing because youre starving is going to put you and your family there. Is that right? NO! That is the way it is, and I don't know a soul who voted for it.
Least we forget the pioneering Donnor party, where they had to eat each other after being caught in a raging snow storm and trapped in the Sierra/Tahoe for months.
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Wasn't Robin Hood arrested for hunting the King's deer?
You think that nature is there to benefit you. You find out the government has already laid claim to nature and you may only use it at their discretion.
You may hunt/fish so long as you purchase a license and stay within the government's rules of how much/how big/how many of each you are allowed.
When your family is starving, do you really care what passes in front of your muzzle? Do you still take out your trusty ruler when you land a fish? Hell, if you can afford a license you probably don't need to hunt or fish.
What a dumbass system we've built.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
If I was him I'd catch a trout every 10 days all through winter
and cook it on the fish and games front porch. That way he gets a good meal and a warm place to stay for 10 days at a time.
Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
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Lol
good idea.
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Good for Fish & Game
Like most hunters and fishers, I have issues with fish and game. I have allot of issues with fish and game.. they make cojo endangered and that's all I pull up for example.. And some of them have no dockside or roadside manners, so to speak, but we have rules and I appreciate the rules being implemented especially when it comes to poaching and those who don't bother to get certificates and licenses and trespass and leave trash, and more... when it comes to homeless hispanic men in CA, many Californians who are outdoorspeople know they are pot growers, who are destroying our national forests and parks... which wouldn't be happening if cannabis was legal, which shows it is the system, this war on drugs which is destroying the environment, the wars on people for their natural reources, including their labor as a commody, the WMD like HAARP... Also in CA, SLO a college town, there are plenty of food banks and shelters. What these men did, homeless or not, was immoral in this day and age. It would be another thing if it was a mistake, as I would feel it was an expensive lesson, but it was no mistake. They know what the laws are. The great outdoors has so many armed federal agencies LAOs, I bet they were told about the fish before whoever told them tipped F&G where they were.
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Sorry Granger, I couldn't disagree with you more. Buying a permit or license is asking the State for permission to hunt and fish, which is a natural right, but they have this twisted idea that it's a privilege. Personally I despise the DEMOCRACY where the majority tell me how, where, and when I should get my food. Purchasing expensive licenses are just a form of heavy taxation on food. Sounds to me that in California your having a problem with litter and trespassing, and to that I say fine the litterbugs and shoot at the trespassers. It's not immoral in any day and age to feed yourself, but making laws against it is.
"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government." Thomas Jefferson
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A guy lost in the Adirondacks, trapped & ate a couple squirrels
Got convicted and sentenced, I think the charge was "cruelty to animals." This was years ago.
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
this whole story
made me think what will be the spark of the revolution.
On the positive note they did not use a taser on the poor fellow.
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now
he gets his meals served to him for 10 days
I remember when my dad
used to catch a fish out of a creek for supper and shoot a deer in the field behind the house.I guess a man trying to
feed his family would be considered a criminal now days.
So sad.
Wow, and I was just going to poach me a deer.
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All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson