The election of Michael Steele: Is it time to BOYCOTT the GOP?
I think most of us will agree that the candidates running for GOP chairman were nothing to get excited about -- at least not in a positive respect. Sure, they all talked about outreach and dialog (Remember the question about Ron Paul supporters in the debate?), but do we believe them?
While I didn't have a preferred candidate, I think most observant Ron Paul Republicans noticed at least two candidates who were wholly unacceptable.
First was Saul Anuzis, the chair of the Michigan GOP who circulated a petition to exclude Ron Paul from the debates. Such a person is not fit to lead the GOP, obviously. And had the GOP chosen him to pilot their ship, we would be justified in collectively engaging in a mutiny.
The second was neoconservative hack Michael Steele. Steele, a failed candidate for the U.S. Senate from Maryland and former chair of GOPAC. After the South Carolina GOP presidential debate on Fox News, Steele told a national audience that it was "time for Ron Paul to go."
The Republican Party has decided that this man is fit to lead the party. Accordingly, I'm interested in what people think our response should be. Personally, I favor a very public mass-exodus from the GOP.
You Gotta Be Kiddin Me!
Change will not happen overnight. The R3volution has made great inroads in following RP's advice to stay with the GOP and change it from within.
If we accept that former Speaker of the House, Tip O'Neill, was correct when he said, "All politics is local", then the true measure of progress must be measured at the local level.
Here in Spokane, Washington we turned the establishment on its head by taking 107 out of 111 County delegates to the state convention. (The best results in the nation). At the State Convention, Ron Paulers from around the state successfully beat a quorum call after a walkout by the McCain Neocons. We were able to pass one resolution before the opposition began walking back in, tails between their legs. On the same day, despite Soviet-style voting processes, Ron Paulers picked up 10 out of 70-plus delegate slots at the various Congressional District caucuses.
At the Repulican National Convention, the WA State delegation was the only one that was successful at convincing another delegation to support placing Ron Paul's name in nomination, and to have him speak at the convention.
After the RNC, we then put plans in motion to take over leadership of the Spokane County GOP. At our reorganization meeting in December, RP PCOs were in the majority by a 3 to 2 margin. As a result, 14 out of 17 positions, including Chair, Vice-Chair, and Committeeman & Committeewoman were Ron Paulers, or RP-friendly.
Now, JackParkman, do you really think we want to walk away after results like this? If we can do it here, any group in this great Republic can do it as well.
We are not worried about Michael Steele as RNC Chairman. We will deal with him or his successor in good time. But first, we must work on taking over the State Party so that we will have a voice at National.
My challenge to everyone on this list is to get involved with your local party, and change it. If we as a group can focus on this as a national objective, local parties from around the country can collectively work toward changing the leadership at the national level, and hopefully make the GOP brand one of which we can all be proud.
We need less talk, and more action! Join us!
John Christina
WA 5th CD Alternate Delegate
National Delegate Assistant Organizer
Secretary, Spokane County GOP
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I Will Never Vote GOP
again-unless RP has to run Republican..... (as painful as that would be
again) Ron needs to start a Campaign For Liberty driven third party.
Ron Paul 2012 Independent Victory
He will never gain support or even respect from the GOP -
they are warmongers as are the Democrats ....
Only Third Parties were non-interventionists along with RP
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Trying to get libertarians to accept the discipline of working together for effective action is like herding cats, they say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7yqlTMvp8
Maybe what we need is this kid's lost cat magnet:
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The only hope we have is marshalling all our strength together to take the Republican Party back from the neocons and their fellow travelers. It is work, and I know cats don't like to work, but it is our only hope.
Has it occurred to you people don't want to strengthen the GOP?
I choose the Third Party path because I believe we must win the White House. To win the White House we have to be leaders, not followers. Even if the path is steep, narrow, and rocky.
The public has to know what we stand for...if we coalesce into the Republican Party, nibbling around at its edges, the public will only know that we are part of a minority political party that has a track record of big government, larceny, war, torture, destroying civil liberties, corruption, and scoffing at the US Constitution.
I hate to overstate the obvious, but that isn't what we stand for.
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I disagree.
We need to be dispersed throughout all Parties. I think you may be looking at it too much like a conventional war. We need to associate and mingle with everyone. We need to have libertarian-minded people in the Democratic and Republican parties to talk and make friends with their colleagues and influence them. Of course we need people in the Libertarian Party too. I don't see why isolating ourselves into one party would be more effective than to be spread out all over the place - decentralized.
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
you would be diluting our
you would be diluting our selves in the democratic party for sure.. most of thos people are hardcore socialist, I want the government to take care of me types.. you would be much better off taking the 1/2 to 2/3 or the republicans who think like us, plus the reagan democrats.. by that time I think you have 51%. As bad as this economy will get in the next 3 years the presidency will be ripe for the guy with the right message.. we will be able to show how the bush (republicrats) screwed it up and then how the obama (demopublicans) screwed it up worse! Ron Pauls star will shine.. he is getting more and more face time on tv.. 3 years of that face time is all it needs..
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That shining star is the most important thing.
That's why even though I say "a pox on the GOP", I can't wait to see him run again. He is making ripples that turn into big waves.
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Steele is a tool. I can't
Steele is a tool. I can't post my thoughts about what to do about the Republican party because that would be self-incriminating.
Things are only impossible until they are not.
-- Jean Luc Picard
Things are only impossible until they are not.
-- Jean Luc Picard
We need a Jack Bauer
style infiltrator. When everything's corrupt... you gotta go dark.
i concur
....a renegade in cloaking. no lies, no truth, but no promises.....smooth until office, then BAM. not suggesting it for the presidential primaries, but a senator?....o.k.
"inch by inch" indeed.
Watch this to the end. Let's make this speech ours. Imagine the good doctor, or George Washington, or Thomas Jefferson, or Patrick Henry saying it to us at the Rally if you have to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO4tIrjBDkk
I'm with those of you hell bent on winning like RP has... "inch by inch"... until we do win... and after! Man up. Let's not be the generation that failed our stewardship of freedom. Grab your helmet. Let's go.
"Do you want to know who you are? Act. Don't ask. What you DO will delineate and define you." - Thomas Jefferson
I favor a mass exodus from the GOP!
They had their chance and we all have had just about enough of these neo con hacks and paid agents.
I do not think I personally would be very realistic with my energies by continually bucking their stronghold on that party. It is clearly a waste of time for me. I would like to put my energies where it could be developed into a true beacon for everyone, not just a small portion of citizens.
2 late.it happend already in 2006
the mass exodus happened when McCain tried passing amnesty to illegal aliens.
"Stop paying lip service to the Constitution,and OBEY IT!"-Ron Paul
McCain's amnesty plan
McCain's amnesty plan angered conservatives(me included), and then they put up McCain(still pro-amnesty) as the nominee a couple years later. Talk about pouring gasoline on a fire...
And to top it off, McCain
And to top it off, McCain considered running as a Democrat as John Kerry's VP.
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describe more please ... the
describe more please ... the strategy of leaving and going to do your own thing in the corner isn't a successful one
How do you determine what is and isn't an effective strategy?
When there is no proof of any successful strategy to date...?
People with principles, who believe in small government, have been trying to take over the Republican Party for 50 years. They have failed in every attempt.
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"How do you determine what
"How do you determine what is and isn't an effective strategy when there is no proof of any successful strategy to date...?"
I think therein lies your answer. No 3rd party has been able to break into the mainstream and they aren't going to. Reagan was supposedly small government but when he got in he expanded it. That was the chance there to try and reign in government and it didn't happen. We have to get people in the Republican party that we KNOW will do what they say, like Ron Paul, Peter Schiff, Rand Paul, Walter Williams etc.
A third party is ineffective as evidenced by them not accomplishing much of anything. What makes you think it will be any different this time?
maybe not this time around..
maybe not this time around.. this economy will get so bad that people will listen I think!
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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Neither working in the GOP nor a Third Party has scored so far.
That was the point I was making. It's uncharted waters.
BUT there is a 50+ year track record of absolute, utter failure on the part of real conservatives to even dent the Republican Party with their ideologies. Even winning the White House in 1980 resulted in complete failure.
No such record exists of a strong Third Party taking on the system and failing.
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How do you know that they didn't prevent
even bigger government, than if they weren't there?
Under Reagan, the rate of regulation did stop its upward trend, as did non defense spending.
And remember, if Ron Paul didn't run for office in the Republican Party, most of us would never have heard of him. And he wouldnt be getting as many interviews as he gets. He wouldn't be influencing any Congressmen.
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
And who's to say government wouldn't expand
with Ron Paul as president? A president is after all only the president. His power is limited. There has to be a consensus to shrink government. He wouldn't even have the authority to abolish the Federal Reserve, as much as he wants to. That's why the fight has to be philosophical, at all levels of influencing people and all venues and all parties.
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
That's not a surprise.
Because there are always people with principles who believe in big government fighting against them. That's never going to change.
Leaving and going to the Libertarian Party isn't going to change anything in that respect either, because then you're just left to fight against two other parties with all big government people in them because all libertarian-minded people have left.
It seems more contructive, to me, to be dispersed throughout all parties.
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
Dispersing into all parties is fine with me.
I will work side-by-side WITH Republicans if they promote Liberty. I will not become a Republican.
My opinion is that the public has to know what we stand for FIRST, or we will never win.
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Why not be both?
Dr. Paul is a member of both the Libertarian and Republican parties. You say the public has to know what we stand for. What does the Libertarian Party stand for? There is diversity and infighting among the Libertarian Party too. Members of the Libertarian party can't agree among themselves what it means to be a libertarian. For example, there is a large anarcho-capitalist element in the Libertarian Party, such as Mary Ruwart. So what does the Libertarian Party stand for? Anarchism? It's as confusing as any other party.
Who are "we" anyway? There seems to be an awful lot of disagreement on just this one internet site - this one subset of people who voted for Ron Paul.
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
Because the GOP has had its chance to reform itself.
I'm not going to waste my time on any attempt to reform that party.
If you wish to do so, go ahead. We should be allies, regardless of party. And I will be.
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Of course you don't give up
This is not the end, folks, this is the beginning. We are in a war, not a little skirmish. The Campaign for Liberty is the place to be and Ron Paul is in the Republican Party. Divide and conquer but that takes time. No one said this was going to be a cake walk. The party is full of corruption so you have to take it back one person at a time. Why did you think it was going to magically change? These evil people are not going to roll over and die. They will have to be pushed out, one at a time.
You young people, don't give up! This is your future if you do.
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"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
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The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22
GOP Takeover
A few weeks ago Matt Collins asked all area Ron Paul supporters to come to a GOP meeting in Nashville. Supporters outnumbered the regular attendees, as far as I could tell. Because of actions like that the GOP can and likely will be taken over. Ron Paul people are the only ones that still have strength in numbers. So get over your pettiness, and go to the GOP meetings.
They would love for us to go away, give up.... are you going to help give them that victory? Not I.
Nope
We should work for and with all groups when we can.
We are not always going to agree---why, even right here
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I am one "Steele" who won't be leaving the party...
...yet.
A lot of good can be done for liberty within the party. And denying the Republicans my support when neocon ideas are put forth is also effective. By being in the party I have the best of both worlds. I get an inside track to information and I can work against the non-liberty leaning individuals within the party.I also can support liberty minded candidates, regardless of party affiliation.
So, simply put, I can work for Republicans when they push liberty leaning ideas and work against them when they don't, all within the party. Much better than having a neocon bot in my place, don't you think?
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