I Have a Question About Gold and Silver..

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What are the opinions on which would be better to buy? Maybe an explanation as to the reason for your opinion..I'm guessing at the price it may be better for a first time buyer to invest in silver...Also..what are thoughts on palladium? I look forward to responses...Thanks in advance...

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An article on, "Why to Own Gold".

http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis/Article.jsp?ad=article&A...

[snip] What do the following industry-leading companies have in common?

Alcoa, AIG, AMBAC, American Express, AMR (American Airlines), Bank of America, Bear Stearns, CBS, Citigroup, Countrywide Credit, Delphi, Dow Chemical, Eastman Kodak, Fannie Mae, Ford, Freddie Mac, Gannett, General Electric, General Motors, Goodyear Tire, Harley-Davidson, The Hartford, International Paper, JDS Uniphase, Lear, Lehman Brothers, Liz Claiborne, Macy's, MBIA, Merrill Lynch, MetLife, MGIC, MGM, Motorola, JC Penney, Prudential, Saks, Sears, SprintNextel, Tenet Healthcare, UAL (United Airlines), United States Steel, Wachovia Bank, Washington Mutual, Whirlpool, and Xerox.

The answer: Since the middle of 2007, all of these companies have seen their stock values decline by more than 80 percent.

At the close of markets on June 29, 2007, gold was at $648. Its price now is more than 40 percent higher than it was then. Gold has outperformed the stocks in these companies by at least seven-fold in the past 20 months

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Correlation to equities

The gold/silver ratio has been negatively correlated with the price equities for thirty years. In other words, when the stock market was down, silver tended to be down relative to gold, and vice versa. That was not the case in January and the first half of February, as silver gained relative to gold, while the stock market declined. Since then, the ratio has held while the market continued to tank. However, silver was coming off of a vicious beat-down.

I consider my physical metal to be worst-case scenario insurance. I don't want much more than I can tote. Therefore I have only a couple of bags of junk silver and some Silver Eagles. Gold has more concentrated value.

I need your help...

regarding a silver purchase from a private vendor. How would I know if $20 face value in silver for $300 is a good deal or not?

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Numismatic coins.

billyjack, you invest in a magazine called coin prices at your local book or magazine store, or order it from them. This magazine will explain how to 'grade' a coin, and how many grades there are.

Numismatic means a collectors coin

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thank you!

I'm checking it now....

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Go to www.greysheet.com and subscribe to the coin dealers

newsletter. It is issued every Friday and you can keep abreast of the latest bid and ask prices of gold and silver coins.

value of "junk" silver

"Junk US 90% silver coins, often called circulated silver coins, minted before 1965 are a popular way to buy silver bullion. A "bag," ($1000 face) contains approximately 715 ounces of silver and generally tracks the spot price of silver. If silver goes up ten cents, a bag of 90% silver coins rises $70 or so; however, junk silver coin prices sometimes lag sharp spot price changes."

http://www.cmi-gold-silver.com/90circulated.html

Use these figures to figure out how much actual silver you are buying.

Hope this helps!

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thank you so very much for this info!

According to my calculations based on your info, I would be buying 14.3 oz and based on today's current bid price, I would be spending about $120 more than what it's worth......Thanks again for your help!

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silver

silver is pushing 13.00 tonight, in spite of the strenghening dollar.

I agree with silver...

but don't be disappointed if the PPT decides silver has gone up too far and has to be manipulated once again. They will try to do it again, but with the dollar going down, they will not be able to the same thing they did when silver was at $21.00 an ounce last year.

tess, its not the ppt that

tess,
its not the ppt that does this with silver. it is 1 or 2 large banks breaking the law with naked shorts using your tax (tarp) money to manipulate a market.

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Historically

Historically silver has usually maintained a 15:1 value vs gold and right now it is about 70:1 so odds are SILVER is in for a huge jump. Thats where im putting all my eggs right now and i have "the smart eggs"

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That's ancient history

That's ancient history. The ratio has not been below 40:1 for 25 years.

Good luck with your eggs.

Not to mention that that

Not to mention that that ratio could also signify that, instead of silver being due for a big jump, it could also signify that gold is due for a big drop...

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Good point!

Those tricky Feds could catch many people off guard, do ya think? I wouldn't put my eggs all in one basket. As Ron Paul suggests, there could be a basket of commodities to back the currency. Personally I favor palladium as it is selling at all time lows against gold.
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Why Palladium?

Palladium at all time lows... auto industry at all time low. Realize that palladium is not real money, like gold and silver, and its value is dependent on industrial demand.

Which to buy

It really depends on why you are buying gold or silver.

First, how much money are you looking to spend. A few thousand dollars will buy you only a few ounces of gold, but a whole lot of silver. If you are looking to buy with a few grand or less, stick with silver.

If you're buying to avoid the "coming" collapse of our money system (I use quotes because i'm not one who'll tell you it's coming) then silver is your best bet. Gold will be damn near impossible to spend, because it's so valuable and it will be tough to get change for a bag of groceries. It's pretty plausible, though, to exchange a 1oz silver coin for a few weeks worth of food.

If you are looking to convert a big chunk of your nest egg into precious metals, gold is your metal. You can store hundreds of thousands of dollars in a very small space, and it is immune to inflation and currency collapse. It's also very easy to take with you if you have to leave in a pinch. You can easily fit most people's life savings into a small suitcase, which cannot be said for silver.

So, if you're small time and just looking to store just in case something bad happens, silver. If you've got bigger aspirations, gold.

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Gold may be outlawed eventually.

Gold may be outlawed in an economic catastrophe, and confiscated; read up on FDR's Executive Order 6102 in the 1930s. It's something the government already tried in an era that was vastly more constitutional than our current system.

Abolition of gold hoarding or Draconian measures toward controlling gold ownership could have the effect of making gold investment very problematic, in my opinion. The larger issue is that in the event of a national emergency where gold has been outlawed, trading/bartering with gold coins might be very difficult.

So if I were investing in metals, I'd start with silver. Just my .02.

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Gold confiscation

FDR outlawed gold currency because he was trying to force people to use fiat money. That is no longer necessary - we were broken to fiat money long ago and gold is not now circulating so no need to confiscate it.

Now, IF the dollar collapses and IF the US government tries to float another fiat currency and IF people are using gold instead of the new fiat currency, THEN the government would probably make gold illegal again.

From what I understand

Pre 1933 gold coins cannot be confiscated and the gold bars were not in the 30's. Using the Perth mint in Australia it is out of reach of our government.

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Anything

The government can confiscate anything it wants to confiscate including old coins and bars. Or, I should say, it can confiscate anything we let it confiscate. Our government no longer feels restrained by the Constitution or any other law except the law of what it can get away with.

About 90% of my metal...

About 90% of my metal by dollar-value is silver. It is divisible, carries much lower premiums than gold, and IMHO it is prettier.

Silver is the best thermal and electrical conductor of any pure metal. It also fell through the floor last year, unlike gold. I am betting that when the dollar finally exits its walking ghost phase, silver will see a much larger percentage gain than gold. But I expect volatility.

Platinum is more of an industrial metal than silver is. It superficial appearance is very close to silver's, so it doesn't find as much ornamental use as gold. Another poster correctly noticed that platinum and palladium have catalytic properties, which makes them incredibly important industrial metals.

Palladium can store 900 times its own volume in hydrogen gas.

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Don't buy Palladium. The

Don't buy Palladium. The way the market for this works is directly disproportionate with Platinum, and it's all because of the car manufacturers. They use Palladium and Platinum in the catalytic converters. It's my understanding that they use more of one than the other. If the market for one is too expensive, then they'll switch the factories around to use the other metal. Switching from one metal to the other is an expensive venture, so they calculate it all out making sure that they can buy up enough of the metal to make it worth their time. Once they do switch from one to the other, then the one the begin to use becomes more valuable than the other.

Palladium has about the same characteristics of platinum, and it is more scarce, but I still wouldn't invest in it. Both palladium and platinum have plummetted since the car companies have almost gone bankrupt. So the markets for these are both dependent on the status of the car companies. I wouldn't buy platinum either.

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Makes sense..Thanks..

Makes sense..Thanks..

Silver is the way to go.

APMEX is having a silver sale right now. $1.19 over spot for 10 oz. and 100 oz. bars.

http://www.apmex.com/

I just got some of those 10 oz bars today

as well as some maple leafs from apmex.

Logic, I'm not suggesting you do this but for every 1 oz of gold I have about 100 oz of silver. I just like silver's upside a lot more.

gold

gold if you can afford it, though i see silver moving up with gold percentage wise and quite possibly way outperforming it in the coming years. i cant find palladium for under 300/oz. if you can find it for 250 id pick some up. all in all, silver is a great way to get started. it becomes addictive, and you'll be cutting spending in other parts of your budget to accumulate more before you know it;

SILVER

Silver is the way to go... especially if you don't have a big load in your bank account. Unlike Gold, Silver is used widely thoughout many industries and without silver many of these companies would fail (or at the least have to spend lots of money to develop materials with the same electrical properties of silver). When people begin to take notice of the silver shortages, prices of silver will skyrocket. Don't let the price comparison between silver and gold fool you. In the long run, silver is a better buy and is much easier to get into than gold - due to the costs.

Once you've been collecting silver for a while and are determined to stick with the investment plan, then it wouldn't hurt to start investing in other PM's. While they are more expensive than 1oz coins, you can buy 1/10oz gold coins for just over $100 which is much more reasonable than $900oz (if you don't have much cash on hand). Platnium and Palladium may also be good investments but beware, the demand for these metals are much lower than silver. Platnium's primary function is in the manufacturing of jewelry. Platnium is also primarily mined in the Africa and Russian regions where production is controlled to keep the price high. These Countries typically don't divludge the quantities of their mines. If they are sitting on vast amounts of platnium, then you can bet the price will always remain fairly steady (with the exception of political turmoil which is the reason the price of platinum shot to $2000 last summer).

Palladium isn't much different. Palladium is often a by-product of the platnium mines and as far as I know, there aren't many industrial needs for palladium other than the construction of cadillac converters. Should technology improve and they find better ways to filter toxic fumes from automobiles, I'm not sure if the demand for palladium would be strong enough to move the cost of the metal much higher in price. Not to mention that palladium and platnium are much more expensive to get into if you are on a short budget.

So in my honest opinion, I would suggest investing in silver over the other metals, but, should you decide that you enjoy investing in metals, you should definiately diversify your portifolio and pick up other types of PM.

Apmex.com has 10oz bars going for $137.00 right now which is a pretty good deal. Purchasing one or two of those would be a good start to any collection.