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Constitutional Republic or US Empire?

Someone just asked which one is better?

The USSA is a collapsing empire built on lies, deceit, fraud, slavery, theft and murder of the newly name Americans that colonized this land and the rest of the inhabitants of the world by a few powerful and rich men.

The Constitutional Republic was built on lies, deceit, slavery, fraud, theft and murder of the native people that lived on this continent and many Africans, yet wished to provide the right to life, liberty and property of those same Western European males.



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Constitutional Republic

All forms of government have flaws which are exploited by those who would usurp power. The question is "which offers the most freedom?".
Our Constitution is obviously not perfect, yet I believe it affords the greatest opportunity for personal liberty. Its major flaw is that during long periods of stability the average citizen becomes lax, they disregard the need to personally hold government accountable for any and all violations of authority. They loose interest in knowing their rights and instead wait for someone from the government or a lobby to explain them.
However that blame is to be laid at the hands of the non-vigilant, not on our form of governance.

We can give our Constitution more teeth with an amendment....if we reassert "State Sovereignty".

as far as I am concerned

There wasn't ever a Constitutional Republic.....just the hologram of Liberty......

US Empire

They should just call it what it is. Let's demand some truth in advertising!

~jaq

~jaq

After today

we have now become the COMMUNIST STATES OF AMERICA!!!!!Give Me Freedom

If Tyranny And Oppression Come To This Land, It Will Be In The
Guise Of Fighting A Foreign Enemy. James Madison

Give Me Freedom

If Tyranny And Oppression Come To This Land, It Will Be In The
Guise Of Fighting A Foreign Enemy. James Madison

If We Have Racism We Will Not Have Freedom.
If We Have No Racism We Can Have Freedom
Quoted By: GIVE ME FREEDOM

Thanks

This thread has generated, few, but intelligent responses. This is why I love the Daily Paul...

ZbignewB - without your dissent, this topic would have died early. While I do not agree with your point of view, I do appreciate the discussion that it inspires.

Restore a Constitutional Republic

Acknowledging the errors of those in the past who operated with faulty force-based personal philosophies (under either previous system).

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Freedom - Peace - Prosperity

As flawed as you may find...

...The Constitution to be, I feel context in time is revelant. This you seem to miss completely. The Constitution is called the 5000 year leap for a reason, you seem to forget where were the leaping point began.

We haven't had a C-R for most of our history.

There were many mistakes made in the foundation of our original jurisdiction government, however flawed it was it was still the best concept of governance the world has ever known. The problem is that people forgot how to be self sufficient people and now rely on a "corporate US Government, inc" to take care of them.

I reserve the right to govern myself.

I reserve the right to govern myself.

What we have is an empire.A

What we have is an empire.A government that uses force on it's people and abroad.
What we need is a constitutional government.Which we haven't had in a long,long time.
The people have been duped into this empire,by those who control the money and education.

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The government throws the people bones while keeping the treasures of this country.

13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he shall hate the one, and love the other, or else he shall lean to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and riches. - Luke 16

Both have run their course, it is time for a new way.

The U.S. policy goal must be unapologetically twofold: to perpetuate America's own dominant position for at least a generation and preferably longer still; and to create a geopolitical framework that can absorb the inevitable shocks and strains of social-political change while evolving into the geopolitical core of shared responsibility for peaceful global management. A prolonged phase of gradually expanding cooperation with key Eurasian partners, both stimulated and arbitrated by America, can also help to foster the preconditions for an eventual upgrading of the existing and increasingly antiquated UN structures. A new distribution of responsibilities and privileges can then take into account the changed realities of global power, so drastically different from those of 1945.

Start denouncing the folks who drove us into the mud

and I'll listen.

Until then, the co-called elite are complicit.

Also, there must be an admission that the Constitutional Republic of America and the rule of law were totally subverted. This must be addressed.

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sounds like socialism to me....

..I'll pass

Zbigniew Brzezinski

Zbigniew, next to Kissenger - your my favorite monster, so nice to see you back in the foreign policy office again.

"To put it in a terminology that harkens back to the more brutal age of ancient empires, the three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together." - Zbigniew Brzezski The Grand Chessboard

Ah, yes terrorized dependent vassels and divided [stupified] foes. What a wonders abound from government policy makers; let us progress in a direction that harkens back to a brutal age.

Nothing appears more surprising to those, who consider human affairs with a philosophical eye, than the easiness with which the
many are governed by the few; and the implicit submission, with which men resign their own sentiments and passions to those of their rulers. When we enquire by what means this wonder is effected, we shall find, that, as FORCE is always on the side of the governed, the governors have nothing to support them but opinion. It is therefore, on opinion only that government is founded; and this maxim extends to the most despotic and military governments, as well as to the most free and most popular. (David Hume, “Of the First Principles of Government,” in Essays, Literary, Moral and Political [Indianapolis, Ind.: Liberty Fund, 1987], p. 32)

The government has no rights, because it in itself is a manmade fiction, the empire has no clothes - what would happen if every courtroom Jury decided to enforce the Constitution? Ah, but that would take an informed public, one that knows a real crime must result from provable injury done to someone's person or property (not by words, beliefs or one's own personal vice). They must understand slave masters have always held slaves by perceived dependence and ignorance. This will not be the hot new topic in government run schools.

The very fact that you would speak as though the Constitutional Republic was just as tyrannical as Empire - shows a vital need for historical understanding; Please, start with the Bill of Rights, then An Essay on the Trial by Jury By Lysander Spooner, pg 72 (Magna Carta); Read up on the Global Slave Trade; The Quakers and the Indians; The Spaniards treatment of Mexico, Cuba and South America; The Protestant Reformation (Martin Luther); Collectivism vs. Individualism; Read The Gulag Archipelago to understand "Soviet Social Justice" in practice; Then read the Federalist Papers and Anti-Federalist Papers; and become familiar with the writtings and thoughts that inspired the Constitution.

If you want to understand how slavery works read Frederick Douglass, Frédéric Bastiat and Vicesimus Knox.

And by all means listen to and investigate readily the words of RON PAUL!

My mistake

Don't start with the Bill of Rights - scratch that.... Start with the The Declaration of Independance.

Intelligence in the house!!! Oh yeah...Oh Yeah...

Nice. God I love informed people.

**“The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them.” ~ Mark Twain **

"...there is no doubt that it (socialism) could not possibly have affected us so widely and so deeply as it has, had it not been heavily financed". - B. Carroll Reece

Thanks ZBig

Thanks for chiming in ZBig. This question was a bit tongue-in-cheek. I was pointing this out to someone else today that praised the Constitutional Republic without reservation.

Like the UN structures

so much? Go live there and leave a sovereign nation of patriots alone. If you need some upgrading, go see Be'yonce. I heard she was on the White House parade, but could have just been a rumor.
What's in a name?

You advocate another

You advocate another top-down "ruling" strategy. Please read some John Locke. The power comes from the people. Men are not to be "managed" like cattle for the benefit of the managers/ rulers.

I'm sure that the system you propose does not include property OWNERSHIP. The inhabitants of the earth will all be converted into tenement farmers and forced to pay tribute to the "government" as part of their "duty to humanity to provide sustainability for future generations".

How does this differ from the English feudal system? Aside from extending their tyranny over the entire world, it does not differ.

Absolutely...

and what happens when the master is dissatisfied with your output?

**“The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them.” ~ Mark Twain **

"...there is no doubt that it (socialism) could not possibly have affected us so widely and so deeply as it has, had it not been heavily financed". - B. Carroll Reece

It is the choice of managers, and those who do the choosing

that makes this whole tangent of "pragmospeak" unpalatable as it all emanates from the string pullers that have created the very paradigm that cries out for fixing. Give me Ayn Rand and a well ordered Court system any day over the collectivist totalitarianism that your posts forewarn.

**“The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them.” ~ Mark Twain **

"...there is no doubt that it (socialism) could not possibly have affected us so widely and so deeply as it has, had it not been heavily financed". - B. Carroll Reece

You NWO

piece of garbage.

Constitutional Republic.. or did you miss what this site is about.

Oh and nice handle funny guy.

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