Bill Gates Predicts Deflation

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Reuters reports:

"No doubt, we've got three or four years here that are going to be very tough," Gates told the eclectic gathering of industry executives and business leaders [at TED]. "We're going through a period ... where a 50-year credit expansion has moved to contraction. You're going to have a number of years where aggregate demand is low," he said.

Nystrom's comment: Deflation is properly defined as a decrease in the money supply. But we don't live in a money-based society, we live in a credit-based society. Hardly anyone - from the Federal government right on down to individuals - don't have enough money to satisfy all of their appetites. Thus we nearly all turn to credit to satisfy those wants. Over the years, credit has become so pervasive that we simply take it for granted. Heck, these days even a dollar is just a credit, no longer backed by "lawful money." Early FRN's were redeemable in gold (see this 1928 $10 note) but by 1934 said only that they were redeemable in "lawful money." Check out this picture and read the fine print. All mention of gold has been completely scrubbed. What is lawful money if not the bill itself? Now compare it to an FRN in your pocket. These days it is the dollar itself that has become "legal tender" by fiat (i.e. government decree). It is not money in the true sense. It too is simply a credit.

Say someone wants to buy a new PC. Hardly anyone pays cash anymore. Instead, they throw it on a credit card, and each month they pay about 1.5% of the bill, which is about all they can afford. They don't pay cash because they don't have any after servicing all their other credit debts: car payment (credit), mortgage (credit), student loans (credit), and other credit card bills (credit).

You can see that it is not money that makes the world go round, it is credit. And as Bill Gates says, the 50-year credit expansion cycle is going into reverse. That means falling demand for things like: computers, cars, houses, and education. The big difference is not that people can't afford these things anymore. They couldn't afford them in the first place! The difference now is 1) They can't afford them and, 2) They can't get the credit. Furthermore 3) Saving up takes time, and 4) Most of the junk people buy on credit isn't worth saving up for, anyway!

So unless the banks suddenly find religion and open the spigots on the zero-percent balance transfers and the liar's loans again, credit will continue to contract, as this article in Forbes confirms: Banks Promise Loans But Hoard Cash.

The article states that banks have $793 billion in excess reserves. That is potentially explosively, hyper inflationary, except for one thing: Who are they going to loan it to? Not you, not me, not GM, not Chrylser, not the State of California. The only way that credit can work its way out of the banks and into the economy to those who need it is through bank loans. But the banks ain't loaning.

Like during the Great Depression, it is the banksters that are in control. As long as they continue to say no, credit will continue to contract, demand will continue to fall, and prices will continue to slide.

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He should know...he is part of the ruling group

Another point would be that we already have deflation.

Deflation occurs when the people in charge of currency restrict it's flow.

In 1929 there was deflation.

The men in power restricted liquidity which caused the dow to crash.

This restriction continued as 35% of the bank in the US were closed.

The restriction continued as the men in power worked to get the necessary collectivist legislation in place in the United States.

Liquidity improved with the onset of world war two.

An economy is willing labor + materials...the capital arrives to pay the labor to process the materials into the finished product.

In 1931 there was plenty of willing labor.

In 1931 there were plenty of raw materials.

There was no liquidity in 1931 as those who had control of the system to create liquidity had shut it down.

In particular small business is one of the major economic drivers.

Guy builds houses.

Gal opens a store.

You shut down their source of money and they stop doing what make the system run.

the folks in power know this. Gates is one of them.

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Michael, I have a problem with this paragraph.

"Hardly anyone pays cash any more. Instead, they throw it on a credit card, and each month they pay about 1.5% of the bill, which is about all they can afford. They don't pay cash because they don't have any after servicing all their other credit debts: car payment (credit), mortgage (credit), student loans (credit), and other credit card bills (credit)."

Is that really the case in anytown USA?

Britain has the highest levels of personal debt of any EU country, but I don't know anyone who is that much of a basket case, financially speaking.

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It depends

On the age range.

Young people - my age & below (I'm 40), are pretty much basket cases. Wages are low, savings are non-existent, and there are student loans to pay off.

Maybe it is the people I hang out with, but I know a few people with so much in student loans that after paying for food & housing (not even a car!), they have barely anything left to live on.

I will second that, Michael.

Unless you live in a affluent neighborhood, this is pretty much the way it is with the general public. I make pretty good as a physical therapist, but don't have that much extra by the time bills + school loans are paid. I often wonder how people do it on less. Course, it makes a difference if a person has a one person household or a two person household, earning wages, I guess. But still ... most of the vehicles we see driving around are "owned" by basket cases. Almost all the houses we drive by are "owned" by basket cases. I'll bet even most of the vacations which are taken are on borrowed money. People think in terms of "how much in monthly payments can I afford" ... not really thinking that much about how much total they owe.

The only

deflation I see are Salaries, and California housing.

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Yup. Same story in Britain.

Wages, house prices and stocks down. Everything else going slowly and steadily up.

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You Will See The Coming Of Inflation

When the new Treasury Secy. gets his name on the plates and starts issuing new bills. Watch the dates on your bills.

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The Fed must be using Vista

Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.

*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*

Of course Bill Gates is predicting deflation...

he has been forwarned, hmmm... I would put my money into a seed bank too if I knew the price of one seed to grow something would be $100,000.00 USD. If our debt continues, as it will with this Obamanation stimulation plan, by God we will have Hyper-inflation of our U.S. dollar by 2010, if not sooner. I actually hope this happens because for those of you that are in debt will have a much easier way to pay off debt. Just remember, there is a difference between asset deflation, and monetary deflation, and until you understand that you will continue to follow the crap on your local government TV channel, and the economic hacks that have it completely wrong, and that includes Obama, and all his clonies in the Treasury, at the Federal Reserve, and the Banksters. I know most of you know this already, but for those just tuning in to DP, please study this...Please read this article:

http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1233606303.php

Is this the same Bill Gates who said that "OS/2 is the future

of our industry" ?
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"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."

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"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."

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I think he also said that 128K should be enough memory for anything!

Gotta remember, at the time

Gotta remember, at the time that was a HUGE amount.

Gotta remember, at the time

Gotta remember, at the time that was a HUGE amount.

It's not as black and white as you portray it

The credit situation is quite irrational right now. We've gone from the easiest credit in the history of the world to one of the most restrictive and risk averse times in a very short run.

It isn't going to take a return to 2004 mentality to get the credit flowing again. We don't have to go that far. It's going to be a slow process of easing all the while banks continue to deleverage from the nasty loans they wrote in the past decade.

More than the bank not willing to loan, is the consumer's unwillingness to borrow right now. Non-essential purchases are being put off until tomorrow and every extra dime is being saved.

This hurts so bad because it was such a sudden shift. Banks instantly went from easy money to we won't lend you a dime...and people went from living above their means to squirreling away madly.

The common denominator here? Fear, panic, and an uncertain tomorrow. Fear is subsiding, because Americans are notoriously fickle. They forget very easily.

While banks may ease up slowly on their lending restrictions, you cannot expect Americans to be so cautious. There's a lot of money burning holes in a lot of pockets right now. Downpayments for underpriced homes, downpayments for cheap cars, and lower credit card balances are all building up to something.

Once fear has left, the floodgates will open and inflation will be back. All of the newly created money will compound with all of the recently saved money and put downward pressure on the dollar.

This will cause the housing market to start to rise again, which will put a floor under mortgage backed securities. Thus begins the healing process.

Not that we'll learn though...we will have some artificial growth and then back to recession within 5 years.

Welcome to the 21st century folks.

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Sounds like the second great depression

In the US, I think it took until 1955 for housing to pass its 1929 peak. Don't quote me on that, but it was something around there - '55 or '58. Basically it was 25 - 30 years.

Since they're all making the same mistakes as before, I guess we'll get the same result...

There are 2 mistakes that have gone unrepeated so far

I agree we're facing the same demons we faced in 1929...but there are 2 key things that truly caused the depression.

First, was the fed's policy response to dramatically tighten the money supply once the major deleveraging started. The fed was too late, and by tightening at this point all they would be doing would be making the deflationary pressure tenfold. We have not done so...in fact, quite the opposite.

Second, we have yet to pass foolish legisltation like Smoot Hawley to protect American jobs. This was the deathblow of the great depression. I'm not guaranteeing that we won't do this eventually, but we have not done it yet.

We could be walking into the great depression, but it is not inevitable.

I don't think this will be anywhere near the great depression. As stupid and dishonest as the Keynesian game is....the fact is the powers that be are better at playing it than in 1930.

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Yep. Like I said, we are in

Yep. Like I said, we are in deflation. My equity has deflated like a tire losing air.

What is my worth? Well, since my house is worth less and companies are paying less for my services and there is less demand, my worth has deflated. It makes so much sense to me.

What is my worth... house -

What is my worth...

house - about the same utility to me
house value falling reducing property tax - good for me
car - about the same utility to me
car value falling reducing car tax - good for me
metal coins - holding value

From original post, "prices will continue to slide." As a person that consumes food, fuel, sporting gear, etc., falling prices are good.

Yeah, sounds good ...

but where are they reducing house and car taxes. Certainly not in my state (NE).

But people leverage against

But people leverage against the value of their portfolio or equity, including companies. So, while you may not care about the value of your house, individuals and business people lose equity and worth. That's not good. People (not me) took out loans based on equity which has greatly deflated. They are left with the debt and their equity has disappeared.
So...

If you are a consumer, you love deflation.
If you are an investor, you hate it.
If you are a producer, you hate it even more.

all in all, deflation is terrible for anyone producing a good or investing in it, which is pretty much everyone.

Glad to hear you weren't

Glad to hear you weren't swindled and you can hang on to what you earned.
Too bad the dept. of education doesn't help teach fundamentals like COMPOUNDING INTEREST in middle school.
Those who couldn't afford to buy a house and have been renting and saving $ will soon be able to buy a house. A reward for prudent behavior.

"while you may not care about the value of your house"
I care about the house price and am okay with it falling by half. Property tax will go down. Insurance rate will go down. Presumably the price of a new roof will go down. The value and utility of the house stays the same.
A house provides shelter and some comfort. The idea that a house was a way to "invest for retirement" or an ATM for frequent cash-outs was a widespread misunderstanding.

There should be some great

There should be some great deals out there for those of us who lived within our means.

At some point it will be

At some point it will be time to trade in coins for producing assets and then run the businesses for the cash flow and profits.

Alternatively, if you are convinced DEflation will take hold, find a well-funded annuity company or life insurance company and buy a policy. If deflation runs wild, the dollar amount of the policy will have more purchasing power. This is an easy no-work scheme if the assumptions of deflation and viability of the issuing company are correct.

It's sad that people are upside down on their mortgages. This may be the inflection point that is needed to wake these people up.

You are right, In deflation,

You are right, In deflation, the dollar is dear. it will gain strength.

You know sales people make 10% off a sale of an annuity? they push those things for that reason. I think they are a scam IMHO. Insurance companies tend to go belly up. Who guarantees you'll get that 4%? It's a whole lot less risky to get a CD or treasury bond. Insurance companies can also come back to you and say they'll pay me less money unless I put up more money. Anything they pay you is taxed as income, whereas if you invest in bonds, it's capital gains. Income tax rate is 35% whereas capital gains tax is 15%. I think annuities are a scam,

insurance payout not taxed

I don't disagree with most of what you say about annuities having high commissions and insurance companies that may go bankrupt.

"Anything they pay you is taxed as income"

The payout on insurance is not taxed. It is not income, it is compensation for a loss.

Any gains from Investing in

Any gains from Investing in an annuity is taxed as income.

You are right duff...

Bank of America has increased my credit line to $30,000.00 dollars with 0 percent interest until next December, do I want to take that money? I am debating right now, I could and go buy a whole lot of gold, and silver with it, what do you think? My card is at a 0 balance by the way. I could make a whole lot of money if the shit hits the fan, and silver and gold go to the moon...

I keep a zero balance on

I keep a zero balance on credit cards each month. I only buy what I can pay off each month. but I do like credit cards because of airline points and easy returns. So, no, I wouldn't take credit to invest. I think of gold as a store of wealth, not an investment. But what do I know?

Rumor has it that Bank of America...

is insolvent right now, their derivatives are in the trillions of U.S. dollars...there is no government on earth that can save them, and they will go under...and I personally believe they should, they have scammed so many out of their homes, and property, I do believe they should drown..

Good points.

Good points.