Drafting Ron Paul for President - Doug Wead
Submitted by Romang on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 14:58
From Doug Wead:
Ron Paul really has a chance. To be president, I mean. Really.
Because we are now in uncharted waters and things could go terrible wrong. All that new money we are printing will eventually hit the shore and inflation will result. And the tens of thousands of workers, soon to be hired by the government to rebuild the infrastructure and paid with even more new paper money will spend that money on food and other essentials which will drive up prices. The productive people will see their income and their profits diluted. And by then, it is entirely possible, that the country will be ready to listen.
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Doug Weed, compare John Stossel vs Ron Paul
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stossel
John Stossel --- 62, knows the issues & knows how to come across on TV
Ron Paul --- 73, also knows the issues & knows how to come across on TV
The TWO big difference is LIKABILITY and NORMALCY.
John Stossel has both. Ron Paul has neither. (and yes it pains me to say that cause I love the Good Doctor so)
Let me talk about NORMALCY. John, unlike most libertarians and even Ron Paul though he tried, has the GREAT ability to seem like the NORMAL one when presenting the freedom argument and making the other look EXTREME.
Among Republicans Ron Paul is an extremist and among Democrats he is an ultra extremist.....THAT spells death to getting lots and lots of votes.
John Stossel, both with lots of Likability and Normalcy, will get lots and lots of votes from the Big Grand Middle CENTRIST VOTERS EVERYWHERE -- those with little ideological inclination and just vote PERSONALITY.
Take a few days to ponder...
In Peace and Liberty,
Treg
Why Only One?
Why not both? If both are willing to run... then great. Add in Gary Johnson and any other limited government, humble foreign policy, constitutionalists that are willing to run. Ron Paul would not have seemed so extreme had other candidates been agreeing with him.
You're saying Ron Paul is not likeable?
I think that's one of his strong suits, actually.
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Kevin, Yes of Course Ron Paul is likable BUT...
I am talking about the wide masses and the way they vote.
How do they vote you ask?
They vote on PERSONALITY
For them, PERSONALITY is what counts, its the main course meal. Its what they look at, see, hear, smell, and taste.
For them, proposed solutions are just garnish on the dish.
For them, ideology is also just, garnish on the dish.
How else Kevin can you explain the American Public over the past 50 years?
From voting in.... JFK, then to Richard Nixon?
From voting in ....Richard Nixon to Jimmie Carter?
From voting in.... Jimmie Carter to Ronald Reagan?
From voting in ....Ronald Reagan to George Bush Sr?
From voting in.... George Bush Sr to Bill Clinton?
From voting in ... Bill Clinton to George Bush Jr?
From voting in ... George Bush Jr to Barak Obama?
Those are some VERY wide swings in proposed solutions and ideology.
I submit to you the facts are right there, the voting public votes Personality and votes Personality ALONE. They like simple two choices, and then they vote PERSONALITY.
Proposed solutions and one's ideological leanings are just trimmings on the dish, and if it must be there, they don't like the garnish spicy hot and Extreme. Ron Paul has been painted extreme. Its a "taint". He's been tainted as Extremist in the General Public's eye. Further, the GOP hates to be reminded, and we have reminded them, that "Ron Paul was Right!".
So 2011 will be all about Personality again. Its hard for you and I and many others to accept, but that is the "bottom line". You just watched a presidential campaign where Obama won on nothing but Calm Coool Personality alone...very light on solutions and ideology....SO TAKE A LESSON from that. His big test was "Am I more Likable than Hillary?" The Democrats knew Hillary had a likability problem for the General Voter, this wisely, concerned them, and they voted Obama, a fresh face and someone hard to hate. Hillary was "tainted" goods from the Bill Clinton days and Universal Health care.
What Lesson?
We must put forth the BEST and most LIKABLE ....Personality we have.
Who is that? Ron Paul or John Stossel or someone else?
Mind you, its not is he a likable guy, but who is the MOST likable.
Check out Ronald Reagan, a man with immense "Likability". Even his enemies loved him. Gorby was charmed by his jokes and his foreign and domestic enemies could not handle that smoothness.
I submit to you that John Stossel has "it".
Stand him up against who ever you like, Ron Paul, Jesse Ventura, etc but John Stossel has 10 times MORE likability... and remember its all about Personality.
SO, we...You and I and many many others, have to put forth our next RP Revolution candidate.... and for the general public...he has to have both Normalcy and Likability... that is all. You don't have to be a gov, Obama proved that, or even more than a Freshman Senator.
You mentioned Tom Selleck, yes he Does have lots of likability. Pray he does not run on the GOP ticket, or if he does, he has been a closet libertarian all this time.
So, far as I know... and I am open to other suggestions.... "OUR" best most likable person is John Stossel.
Lets put our best foot forward with John Stossel, RAISE SERIOUS CASH in some Money Bombs... and see just who steps up to take our Campaign money for 2011 to win the GOP nomination. Heck, it just may be Ron Paul, but rank and file "DON'T LIKE RON PAUL" Do your own PC surveys in your own home town. Send out PC questions asking who do you like to run for president in 2012 and stick Ron Paul's name in there and John Stossel's name. Neither may win your informal PC survey, as PC's are indeed more ideological and look to solutions than the general voting public, but that is still ok. They do understand how BIG Personality is to the general voter, its EVERYTHING.
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
John Stossel interviews Ron Paul -- did you see it?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=joh...
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
Ron Paul is second to none.
Ron Paul is second to none. It has to be him. It doesn't matter that he can't win. Only he can provide the traction that is need to bring the revolution to fruition. He has love on his side because we love him. Do not underestmate this.
Remember how all the candidates started imitating his sucesses during the campaign? This will happen 10 fold the next time around. His ideas will florish.
I agree with you.
I don't expect him to win. But neither do I expect anyone else to win who isn't a member of the CFR or the Bilderberger Group. Whoever wins the GOP nomination will be a member of one of those two groups or someone vetted by them to carry their banner.
What I do wish Ron Paul would do is stop underestimating his own popularity, and run for both President and Congress on a third party ticket. He could keep his seat in Congress.
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Ron is The Man
And while he is totally unflappable, consistent, principled, and I would definitely support him regardless, Obama has put the nail in the coffin as far as any real statesman like RP being elected.
It's all about the Cult of Personality now, and Ron Paul is just too darn down to earth and grounded to run with that pack of dogs.
Last, there are just way too many people who can't get past the 'wasted vote' syndrome. The Republicrats have the whole thing rigged their way anyway. Ron: makes sense, speaks his mind, tells the truth, isn't in it for the power, the money or the retirement benefits, and doesn't play the politics of pull. In short, he has none of the crass skills and slickster mentality needed to succeed in smarmy American politics at a national level. Thank God there is someone like him. But it is his cross - and ours - to bear.
We will need a true crisis - a blood-in-the-streets, collapsing-dollar, bring-down-the-government type crisis for a man like RP to be elected. We might just get it, but that's what it will take.
It isn't all the things that Ron Paul IS that makes him
unlikely to be elected. It is what he ISN'T. He isn't CFR. It doesn't matter who runs for us, we are fighting the CFR. What Ron Paul IS is why the movement was so huge and it is because Ron Paul hopefully will lead us that we might overthrow the insiders. If we are tough and we are going to have to be one heck of a lot tougher than we were last time.
Whomever Ron Paul
gets behind, whether it is himself or someone else, is who should run with this ball. In an ideal world, I would call Selleck and then line them all up and run them all by Ron Paul and let him hand pick the guy he will get behind, himself or someone else. But we could run the prospects by him. Approach one after the other, don't forget to include Selleck, and get their decision about if they would do it, be sure to ask Selleck, and then have them all talk to Ron Paul, remember Selleck has a busy schedule, and then see if Ron Paul is going to do it himself or throw his support behind Selleck, or someone else maybe with Selleck as the vp.
Ron Paul should be in the oval office right now.
If he's still as sharp in 2012 as he is now, I hope he runs.
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How about asking Ron Paul?
The good Doctor knows his mind races faster then his mouth. I would love to see him as President. we have 2 choices, either get the Doc some help with the way he presents himself (sometimes His hair is sticking up in interviews, Probably from ripping it out dealing with these Blockheads) & the way he Speaks his thoughts or ask him whom he thinks we should support. at the very least I would like to see him running our Treasury.
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NO, NO, NO!
No, as much as I love the good doctor, NO, he should not run, cannot Win, and will not win.
Look, before you throw stones, notice I been on DP for a very long time. Notice too that I am still very active, (its an addiction really), and also know that I have been a Ron Paul supporter since I met him in 1985 in Florida and again in 1988 when he ran on the LP ticket and so on.
Yes I even knocked on 279 doors as a Republican (puke) PC! Most of all in 2007 I LISTENED to my many Republican neighbors talk, reason, and tell me why they would NOT vote for Ron Paul or whoever. For most, Ron Paul was not "Tough enough". I learned if you are going to push Peace, then you better be off the wall TOUGH in persona so you can pull it off. Perhaps Ronald Reagan knew this and in so doing, had the gravitas and balls to suggest to Gorby to destroy all nukes?
Anyway, I have an email database of over 800 people. Now, 659 of those are NOT Ron Paul people, voters or supporters. But suffer as they do each week since 2007, they get Cartoons, Ron Paul essays, and videos of all kinds...100% Ron Paul propaganda from me....
Here is what I wish to share with you DOUG WEED.
I did an email blast to everyone on my 800 plus email list, full of centrists and liberals and conservatives and independents and Ron Paul faithful. I listed lots of names, Tom Selleck, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, Jesse Ventura, Peter Schiff, John Stossel, Gary Hart, Ted Danson, Gary Johnson, John McCain, John Kyle, Sarah Palin, Mike Huckleberry, Romney, Newt, Jerry Seinfeld, Chris Mathews, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Matt Damon, Cane, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and a dozen other republican presidential wannabees ...etc...and many many others over 45 names in all.
I asked two questions.
1) In a two man "head to head" Presidential debate, who could go up against President Obama in 2012 and actually get YOUR vote and Win the Presidency?
2) Who can best carry the Ron Paul Revolution message into 2012 and Win the Presidency?
First answer: John Stossel.
In a two man debate John Stossel would out "I CARE" Barack Obama.
Second answer. John Stossel.
Now stop and think about that one.
Even the Ron Paul faithful, [but only half dozen votes short], picked John Stossel over Ron Paul. I was also personally surprised at how bad Peter Schiff did because I have sent out dozens and dozens of his videos and essays. Tom Selleck did better that Peter Schiff and I never send out anything by him. Amazing. Seleck did better perhaps because its unclear where he is at on most issues. Is most famous run in being how he handled a liberal female talk show host and a commercial that promotes the importance of men as fathers.
Now I do not know if John Stossel would even consider running; why should he? He's got a nice life, why mess it up?
But one thing is clear to me, he is WELL LIKED and RESPECTED by both liberals and conservatives and of course the Ron Paul Faithful.
The second thing is clear to me, HE KNOWS TV. He knows the tricks of that world, he knows "Sound Bites", and he knows "how to come across" to be seen as the "sensible" one rather than the one with "extreme views" that are "out there".
Perhaps the most important thing about John Stossel, is he does not have to sell himself. He is not and I repeat, NOT A NEW PRODUCT to be introduced to the public and sold to the public. He is a known personality, a trusted personality that has been inside of everyone's homes on 20/20 for over 20 years. He is believable, trustworthy, LOOKS THE PART, and when this country is in the depth of pain in 2012, this country will want SOMEONE who is NOT a professional Politician who has a long record of "asking the tough questions" and arguing for the "common sense" policies that could make us Freer, Safer, Richer, and even Happier.
For all the reasons above, I would strongly suggest we get a DRAFT John Stossel 2012 web site up. I would strongly suggest we get it funded. How hard can that be? He is KNOWN among us, I trust him with my $100 bucks, wouldn't you? It would be especially trust worthy if the rules of how the money was to be handled and used and given on a PDF we all could read and see and then the fund itself managed by a reputable CPA firm as trustee of the fund. $100 could get us a vote come decision time. Rules of the fund could be written for all to see, transparency everywhere.
Think about it. We could have John Stossel be the highest funded Republican Candidate NOT EVEN WILLING TO RUN in 2011.
Talk about MEDIA ATTENTION!!!!!!!!
Other Republicans would DIE to have the TV exposure that John Stossel has had. Republicans such as Huckabee is doing his best with his Fox TV show. McRomney is still out there and so is Palin and so is Vjay and Cist and dozen other wantabees... but should we, the R3VOLution get behind John Stossel for 2012 NOW... fund it NOW, that would scare the living hell out of most other Republican Wannabees.
Ok, you ask, "WELL, what if John Stossel says NO?
Answer: STILL WE DO IT!!!!!
Here is why we still do it. We create the John Stossel 2012 campaign. As the months and years roll by and John Stossel says no, TV exposure would be priceless for our R3VOLUtionary cause. "John Stossel, the RP R3volution people have held 5 money bombs and are now up to $5 million, do you still say no? And what if they get up $20 million, as some has suggested is their goal, would you run then?"
Lets say John Stossel says No, No, No all the way up to 2011. What then?
What then is we have BUILT and FUNDED our R3VOLutionary Presidential Campaign for 2012....
THE AVAILABLE 2012 MONEY WILL CREATE THE NEWS FRENZY.
The MEDIA will than ask us in the Revolution, "Who is your next choice, Ron Paul again? or someone else? Who could it be? Who should it be? Who wants it?"
The MEDIA will be helping us vet our own RP Revolutionary for us. Our job is to fund the RP R3VOLution GRASSROOTS movement. We must keep it funded and healthy and strong and a ready to be a huge force in 2011. The more we grow ourselves, the more the outside world will take us all seriously. As the economic collapse happens, John Stossel is a trusted political name from which we could build our movement.
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
PS. My own parents, two 69 year old retired school teachers, would vote John Stossel. (I AM SIMPLY AMAZED) Now you need to know they are true-blue teacher union loving liberal democrats to the core and frantic ObamaBots... yet listen to how their mind works (crazy I know but hey, they are typical voters)::
"Honey in a televised debate where John Stossel was really has a chance to win against Obama, then yes I would be very hard pressed to vote again for Obama, especially if the economy is worse. I would have to see how the economy looks in 2012 and if Obama brought our troops home and created jobs like he's promised. You might be right about the economy but I have "hope". Your dad and I think the economy will be fine come 2012, just like after Bill Clinton, so we will vote again for Obama. But if not, I could see myself voting for John Stossel, he's not so bad a Republican, but I am sorry, never for your Ron Paul. I know you love him but we could never see ourselves voting for the extreme views of Ron Paul. Beside he was much too old to run this time around and so I would just give Obama another chance. Love Mom"
Stossel should stay in the mainstream media.
..As one of its few voices of sanity. He's needed there, not in a failed political campaign that will only get a few million votes at most.
I'd vote for him, but I don't think he has any advantages of electability. He's no more electable than Ron Paul, in my opinion.
Yes, Stossel's relatively young and handsome compared to Ron Paul, and he speaks very well. The same is also true of Chuck Baldwin, who only got 0.25% of the vote last November.
The public likes Washington outsiders, but they like them to be Governors. The public never elects people without political backgrounds who aren't generals.
Hence, Stossel is not electable. I'd rather have Ron Paul, if our goal is to spread ideas virally without electability.
PS--I think Selleck is more electable than Stossel, because he has more celebrity among baby boomers.
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John would probably make that decision too, BUT...
Kevin look at how I am suggesting we $$$$$ Fund the R3VOLution again and position ourselves in a very VERY powerful way come 2011.
Read it again. Please.
Come 2011, we are up against the GOP's wanabees and Media.
This is one very good way, I think and hopefully others do too, that we can raise the BIG MONEY early on and CUT the GOP wanabee's chances at their knees and keep the MEDIA begging John Stossel,
"Well they have $9,000,000 now, do you still say no John?"
and the Media's follow up,
"If John Stossel does not Run, sources say the R3VOLution will choose another candidate. Will it be Ron Paul again, or will it be his son, Rand Paul? Also this just in, Jesse Ventura has been speaking to a lot of Ron Paul Republicans and they are taking a liking to the former Governor. Perhaps the R3VOLution will be backing Jesse, but many say they are waiting to hear from Ron Paul himself. More on this developing story as the R3VOLution now has more money than the GOP for Presidential Race 2012 -- back to you Chris"
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
I'm just being realistic on overall electability here.
Go look at the historical backgrounds of the various Presidents. No presidents were elected who weren't generals, congressmen, governors, vice-presidents, or senators. And only one was a Congressman--James Garfield.
Anyone on your list of potential candidates should be a general, congressman, governor, vice-president, or senator, if you are serious about winning.
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Kevin, & none of those on your list was a 47 year old Black Man
Its not that big a barrier with the General Public.
Steve Forbes was honestly considered for office, so was Ross Perot.
Furthermore, you could view John Stossel as having been in Politics a very long time.... with plenty of positions taken and defended. I think the GENERAL PUBLIC which votes on PERSONALITY will give John Stossel "extra credit" for being so politically involved for the past 30 years.
But, you may be right. Yet I doubt it. It is a testable proposition though.
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
That's true, but Obama is still a Senator.
I do not think a 47-year old black man with no government background will ever be elected President. What you and I think doesn't matter in matters of electability. The American people, who know so very little about politics, Law, or the Constitution, consistently want an experienced candidate.
I think Stossel should run for another office first before attempting the presidency--same as Selleck should. Same as Chuck Baldwin should, in his home state of Florida.
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I never have been able
to tell which direction John is coming from. I don't hear him voice his own opinions and the way he questions always seems to be coming from the "devil's advocate" point of view. I would need to know what he is all about. You apparently know. How did you find out?
John Stossel interviews Ron Paul -- did you see it?
You tube it!
It is very clear where John Stossel is coming from... he is 100% behind Ron Paul! They both have very libertarian views.
BUT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!
John Stossel has been the MASTER at making everyone else's NON-liberty loving views seem EXTREME and Extremely ridiculous.
That is an amazing trick. And it is essential for that avg voter of either party to see you as the NORMAL one and everyone else on the extremes. John Stossel has made a career out of pulling this off.... Something that rank and file libertarians have yet to learn how to do... come off as normal and everyone else is the extremist.
See what I mean here with his GIVE ME A BREAK series: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPJFWWprMo
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
He's a libertarian
John Stossel has written about how he began as your typical liberal consumer advocate reporter, but changed his views after seeing that the marketplace seemed to provide better services and products than all of the well meaning government regulations. He has produced innumerable reports that leave the viewer with a pro-market impression. I think he's been highly effective (except with my very liberal friends who cannot stand to watch him).
He plays devils advocate, sometimes pretty roughly. I'm sure it's because he would be called out as biased if he threw softballs to people he agreed with. He, by the way, plays pretty rough with people he disagrees with, too, so his interviews tend to be very revealing.
Well...
I have limited information, and most of that is from Baptist-(neocon, religious right)-Republicans (gag,spit), but some of them have mentioned John Stossel, specifically. I must say that I dismissed him due to the source...and not having watched tv for 20 or so years, I didn't have any idea who he was. But I did watch the tv special on public schooling, so called. It seemed ok. If the guy really is trustworthy, committed to liberty, etc., then it sounds like a good idea to me.
I don't see it, Treg.
I'd prefer someone who actually KNOWS something.
I agree. Let's work on both.
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oh now
wouldn't this be nice......?
sorry to be skeptical, but i think it will take nothing short of a cold shower to wake these people around us up. and that kind of shower won't be allowed.
but never-the-less - i will work hard to promote ron and to kill the fed.
this is can do.
$100 Million War Chest!!!
We could do it!!!!
We could win!!!!
Dugg