As a Christian, do you sometimes have a problem with Ron Paul's responses?

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...this is why i voted for Chuck Baldwin. Though I like a lot of what Ron Paul stands for, the problem that a lot of Christians have with him is that he will not stand up for what the Bible says is right and wrong when he claims to be Christian.
Now i understand Ron Paul not wanting to be on a judgmental witch hunt condemning everyone for everything (because we are to love our neighbor), yet, somewhere, sometime, to get the Christian vote or just to be a Christian, Ron Paul would need to stand up and say that what the Bible says is true and correct, that these things are sins. If Ron Paul cannot do that, then he denies our instruction as Christians from our Author and Savior as to what is true and right.
I'm sure i will get some flack over this post...but i wanted to hear if other Christians have this same problem with Ron Paul sometimes that i do. This has always been my problem with Ron Paul that i can never quite get over.

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As a Christian.....

....I choose, by free will, to follow the teaching of Jesus. It's a personal decision, just as I claim Jesus to be my personal savior. I can't claim Jesus Christ to be the savior of the nation, that eliminates the individual liberty of God's children to exercise their God given free will.

For me it is an absolute contradiction to believe in the existence of God and then ask government to advocate my spiritual beliefs. Seems to me I'd be denying my God and making Government my God.

Miamisburg, Montgomery County, Ohio

I have more of a problem with Christians...

passively accepting evil to usher in a "Second Coming." Jesus WHIPPED the moneychangers, but I don't hear any Christians advocating, "Go and do likewise".

For a Definitive Christian Political Response

that favors Ron Paul's approach again read
Christians and the Pro-life Ploy by Dr. GC Dilsaver

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig9/dilsaver1.html

There is no seperation of State and Church in

The US Constitution.
All it says is: The Congress shall make NO LAW respecting the establishment of a religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Which means that if you want to pray in school they can't make any law either against it or for it.
The law is clear but there has never been a seperation of Church and state.
Think about! How can someone who has a certain religious point of view check it at the door when he goes to work in congress!

Bad idea

People voting on the basis of religion is the same as voting on the basis of skin color in my eyes. It's the same type of disease that influenced so many black americans to vote for Obama. He's my type of guy, you know, he's black. Same thing as he's my type of guy, you know, christian. I thought we were supposed to vote on the merits of his geo-political, socio-economic, civil rights and other positions of governance that doesn't interfere with article 6 paragraph 3. Guess I was wrong.

The New Amerika just elected a guy with a questionable religious background, I don't see a bible thumping type being able to overcome the current demographics of the USSA.

Ron needs to do what he does best, talk about the economy, the constitution, foreign policy, etc. He does occasionally bring religion into his arguments such as in the debates where he alluded to the rules of christian just war. I think that was totally appropriate and had no problem with it because that particular face of religion makes lots of sense. The problem was that the so-called god loving christian base thought it was, and still think it is appropriate to kill innocent women, children and elderly people in the name on the war on terror. This guilt by association thing the NWO uses to justify murdering innocents is horrific.

Traditional bible thumping, speaking about morality and sinful behavior will only alienate a politician in today's Amerika, whether you like it or not.

I could only imagine the way the msm would treat the good Dr. if he went overboard with religious hyperbole. You thought theyraked him over the coals last time round, you ain't seen nothing yet if the Dr. decides to go the Pat Robertson route.

I am

I am a Christian, but I am also an American. And as an American I blieve in the separation of church and state. I do not want our leaders forcing there religious beliefs on us, even if they are Christians.

As a Christian, I have yet

As a Christian, I have yet to find one single thing I disagree with him on.There have been a few times when I hesitated, on certain issues, but when I looked beyond first glance, found I agreed with him 100%. He is such a wise and wonderful man-and definitely a fine example of true Christianity. God bless Ron Paul.

Judge Not

"Judge not, lest ye be judged" Jesus Christ

And there was also something about not looking for splinters in your neighbor's eye til you remove the board in your eye.

Yes, Ron Paul lives by that.

"Nuf said"

Ron is a christian

Ron is a Christian, but he does not propose to subject his religious philosophy on others. As a Christian I appreciate this. Trying to subject others by force to ideas never works.

For those of us who really do know what Ron stands for, liberty and protection of rights and the constitution is central to his beliefs in government. His religion is personal.

I don't want a government telling me what to do, or even a church. That's between me and God. Free will is a gift from god. All governments who try to rule based on biblical authority will always become tyrranous by those in power seeking more of it.

I think Jefferson, who did believe in God, not necessarily a christian, clearly understood that free will was a gift from the almighty. He knew how horribly catholicism subjected people to torture and pillaged them in the past and present. When I say torture I am talking about the catholic state condemning people to death for their beliefs or lack thereof.

I'll take an atheist leader who has no problem with my beliefs and who wants to protect my rights to practice my religion versus a leader who tries to enforce 'christian' values on the population. I think we've seen what happens when we have a crusader in the white house.

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christians

If there were more like you speaking out, there would be more converts.
Bless you

In a word...

kN0w

no

What he say's is between him and the lord.

I have not read the new testament

But does it make the distinction between doing what's right and doing what's right by any means necessary? Is it okay to convert people by force?

I have written in the past between what a difference in philosophy amongst Christians (which cuts across the different sects or christianity, from Catholicism to Evangeicalism) - those who follow what I would call an "Augustinian" approach, that of establishing a moral "city upon a hill" which spreads knowledge of what is right by example, and by being seen; versus what I would call a "Constantine" approach, which seeks to establish hegemony though direct force or implied force.

This is consistent with a broader American tradition; the Puritans (pilgrims) used this exact phrase as the guiding principle behind their early settlement of Massachussets (although they abandoned the principle shortly after). And perhaps with the exception of the Monroe doctrine, the US foreign policy before "Imperialism-lite" of the late 19th century, also adhered to this principle.

Dr Paul's philosophy in this matter is very consistent. He does not seek to use government as a heavy-handed instrument to promote christian moralities. A very important thing is to remember, it that in government (unlike in life) is not enough to do what is right; one must do what is right, and what one has the *authority* to do.

No, never

No, never

Ventura 2012

There is no conflict between the perfect law of liberty

There is no conflict between the perfect law of liberty and the Bible. By stating someone has the free will do do what they want with their lives as long as the do not violate the rights of another does not imply that you agree with their actions.

Does God agree with or condone sin because he gave us the free will to sin?

Chuck Baldwin will never be President

if he supports a Theocracy or even appears to only represent Christians. Ron Paul, like Jesus, God, or the Great Being, represents all people, NOT JUST CHRISTIANS!!!

No Man Is Without Sin...

And I except the few he may have over the multitudes of those other Godless individuals who are perpetraring this destruction of our world as we know it!

Your either a shill and a plant, need more forgiveness or need more self reflection and prayer about your owm sins. Get a life!

"Whenever I despair, I remember that the way of truth and love has always won. There may be tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they may seem invincible, but in the end, they always fail. Think of it: always"
Gandhi

"Liberty tastes sweetest to those who fight for it, and most bitter to those who work to deny it!"

LearnRonPaul

No never. I believe it is the right of each person to govern

themselves. People can choose to live by God's laws or not. Ron Paul's view is that these decisions should not be made by the federal gov't, we need to argue and debate them locally.
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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." John F. Kennedy

"It is your duty as loyal Americans to Shut up."– Bill O'Reily

Mathew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Our Constitution is based from Christian Principles, but

it does not strickly follow the Bible, because the Founder's were against a Catholic or Anglelican type monarchy rule over the people. One problem most Christians have, is they listen to what their Preachers tell them, instead of what it actually says in the Bible. Dr. Baldwin was asked, when running for President, what he disliked about Ron Paul's policies. Baldwin replied, that he agrees with everything Dr. Paul believes in, and also affirmed that Paul is a strong Christian, but he must follow the laws of the Constitution. Go to www.anotheruntoldstory.com to listen to what the Bible really says on many political issues, and be sure to go to the second page, to find out if you are a Christian or not. I wasn't, since I have been listening to what I was told, instead of what the Bible says.

Only at first

My, my, my, look at the intolerance being stupidly proclaimed. The Daily Paul is for all who love and support Ron Paul. BUt individual posts requesting responses from a particular class of supporters ought to be respected.

All of you who responded who are not Christians and do not have the spirit of Christ (love righteousness and hate iniquity, Hebrews 1:8,9) should have respectfully left this post alone. You have the freedom to read whatever posts you want, but to respond to a request not directed to you is rude and shows a spirit of insolence and intolerance. You're the reason so many "Christians have been so easily driven away from thr Ron Paul Revolution. You can't leave well enough alone.

Stick your nose where it doesn't belong and it just might get pinched.

So many of the posts in these six pages have been rude and judgmental.
Christopher X only was wondering if any other Christians were bothered by a seeming compromising answer by Ron Paul.

I was disappointed as well, at first. Then I realized that:
1) Ron Paul is not perfect and might not always respond in the best way every time, after all he is human.
2) He does try very hard to keep his personal, religious beliefs from being politicized, or seen as leaning toward a desire for a theocracy instead of a Republic.

I believe Ron Paul is first,a Christian, and second a congressman. But we do not see him at home or in private. We only see him in his role as congressman. His appeal is broader because he has learned to maintain the difference between livng as a Christian and governing as a constitutionalist.

It is very difficult to do this. Jesus, who is God in flesh, when He was on earth recognized the difference between judgment (condemnation) an speaking the truth. He told the truth about everything, but did not judge. He came to save, not to destroy. Ron Paul is just not as good at it as Jesus, but I give Ron Paul a lot of credit. In all my life, I've never met anyone quite like him. But he's not perfect.

My great respect for him, causes me to hope no one sees the faults I see. And I do not wish to point them out except to my closest friends.

So, ChristopherX, I respect your desire to find out if anyone else has a problem with Ron Paul's answers in that interview. And I agree that sin should be called sin, but that sometimes a direct answer is not the thing to do at a given moment, in certain circumstances, as Jesus illustrated a few times.

In retrospect, I think Ron Paul wishes he had turned the question to a question of his own, as it seems he tried to do. So I do not blame him or think less of him. I can't help but wonder how many times I have failed to be a wise as I could be if I were not so fallible.

God bless you for your stand for righteousness. Sorry you had to get pummelled by belligerents that do not read very well and enter discussions not meant for them, but hey, that's what happens when you post in a forum filled with people who want freedom to do whatever the "blankety-blank" they want to do.

They don't understand freedom, and are witnessing the gradual and increasing loss of them because of disrespect for the Author of Liberty.

Grace and Peace be unto you, by Christ Jesus, our LORD!

thank you 2ndamenduser

i'm glad someone actually could see my question for what it is. that it is not of "bigotry", as some would try to make it.but that it was just an honest question.
thanks for your perspective to think about.

may the same blessing of grace and peace from Jesus Christ our LORD bless you also.

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

"Let He Who Is Without Sin..."

The "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" incident is one of the most well-known lessons of the Bible. A woman, who had been caught in the act of adultery was brought to Jesus Christ by the scribes and Pharisees as a test to see if the Messiah was a liberal in matters of the Law of God. In response to their deceitful query, He didn't condemn the woman, not because He was a liberal, not because He condoned her sin, but because the men who brought the woman to Him were Hypocrites.

He was the only person there that day who was free of sin, the only one who had the right to "cast the first stone." He didn't stone her (or her accusers), but instead forgave her and told her to "sin no more." Otherwise, the day is coming when she, if she didn't thereafter repent, won't be stoned, but will be burned - along with the hypocrites who brought her to Him that day, if they didn't thereafter repent of their sin:

"Blessed are they that do His Commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie." (Revelation 22:14-15 KJV)

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein

Jesus said....

John 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

...Jesus Christ did not condemn, yet He called it sin and told her not to sin anymore.
my question had nothing to do with being an accuser or condemning. my question had to do with agreeing with what GOD calls sin. that is all.

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

This reminds me of the debate

This reminds me of the debate between Creationism and Evolution. I believe that God is so powerful that He could have created life to evolve. Now mind you, I don't believe that humans evolved from apes; there is a missing link, but really who are we to say He is not powerful enough to design evolution. In the same way, could He have designed our genetics in such a way that some of us are predispositioned to certain sins? I know certain heritages are predispositioned to addiction to alcohol. Maybe, certian genetics create individuals who are confused with their sexuality. I think God challenges us all in different ways. I think we all sin and that those who do have faith in God should be the first to embrace those who stuggle the most with sin.

Ron Paul has said

the Government has no place in your bedroom. Maybe it's not his place to make a judgement on this. I don't see how this is a political issue. Is Ron Paul Jesus Christ? RP has stuck to two things regarding man's law. violence and fraud.

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein

who said i was asking about "government"...

or a "political issue"? i never said anything to that end so do not put words in my mouth i never said.

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Who's putting words in your mouth

certainly not me. This is not RPs place. He has stated his position. The interviewer is clearly baiting RP. He doesn't fall for it. Get over it!

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." ~ Albert Einstein

I respect Ron Paul

Because he IS a religious man, who does not wear it on his sleeve.
If he stood up and professed that his beliefs would the basis for all of his decisions, I would drop him like a hot potato.
His is a perfect balance of personal beliefs, and real world decision making.

"I don't endorse anything they say"
~Ron Paul On the 911 Truth movement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGyhlNY0y1k

Just because I am a Chistian

does not give me the right to judge others or say what is in their hearts.

If they commit a crime against others, we have a right to stop them, but we do not have a right to force them to our beliefs. Just because someone is gay does not give you or me the right to judge them.

I am Catholic, and gay people and divorced people are allowed in my church. The pastor feels that just because someone is dealing with a difficult issue, they should not be cut off from religion. He knows he is not God, and God is the only one who can judge.

Christians who judge other prople are not being real Christians. We are to love one another. That is the number one rule for Christians. Too many so called Chistians do not do that one simple thing.

The government should not even be in the business of marriage. Marriage is a sacrament, not a legal contract.

The

The thing is, is that government is not God, nor does it posess any Godlike powers. Whether the government allows gay marriage or not doesnt matter, or the pledge in schools matter, none of this matters. The government is not the authority. For example. If youre gay and want to be married is just as wrong as if it were legal. This country is not a worse place if the crooks in Washington make it legal. Those peope with those intentions still exist. Everyone has to answer to their maker. Every action has its consequence and each and every one of us are held to that. If these people can find a church to honor that, so be it. It's called free will.

Matthew 7:3-5

Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

We are all sinners.