NH HCR6 Railroaded in the Executive Session

thomasgray says:

This is only step one on the path. They pull this kind of crap because they think we're easily dissuaded and distracted and that this one hiccup is going to move us from this important path. We need to show them that this is not the case.

We need to hold the people who railroaded it and the people who voted against it accountable and we need to be clear about why they are being held accountable. We also need to stop using rhetoric that is unnecessary - as other posters here have suggested - and make us sound a trifle fanatical at times. Then we need to try to pass this liegislation or something very much like it again. And again. Until it's passed.
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Let me add that by supporting anything other than State Sovereignty they are breaching the constitutional compact and committing treason! Lincoln be damned! The view of State Sovereignty, though normally noted as Jeffersonian, is the view of the Founders-- not just Jefferson!!!!! I'm not a history major but I don't think Lincoln was present at the Constitutional Convention of 1787- nor Daniel Webster- nor Joseph Story! Find any constitutional theory text book, such as the ones used at historically notable colleges like West Point, and every text up to 44 years after ratification will give you the same State Sovereignty view. Is because there were no big-government Federalists? Of course not-- John Jay and Hamilton come to mind. However all at the time recognized that the states were sovereign and they had to advance their goals by covertly scheming. If we had the same "one nation" view back then as we do today-- this country would have busted wide open long before the south seceded.

•Madison in a letter to Edward Everett, in 1830 said that the Constitution was “a compact among the States in their highest sovereign capacity.”
Elsewhere in this same letter he refers to the states as “the parties to the Constitutional compact.”

•The first chief justice of the Supreme Court, John Jay, who believed in the expansion of federal power, in the case of Chisholm v. State of Georgia, “expressly declares that the Constitution of the United States is a compact.”

•The sixth president of the United States, John Quincy Adams, stated “Our Constitution of the United States and all our State Constitutions, have been voluntary compacts.”

•In the Federalist No. 85, Hamilton referred to the Constitution as “[t]he compacts which are to embrace thirteen distinct States in a common bond of amity and Union.” He also explained that, if it were to be altered in any way, those changes “must undergo a new decision of each State.”

The man who was head of the committee on attending to the diction, or wording of the Constitution, Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania, in his book The Life and Writings of, wrote that the meaning behind the phrase “We the people” which he authored, and the actual Constitution itself was a compact not between individuals, but between political societies, the people, not to America, but of the United States, each enjoying sovereign power and of course equal rights. That means in a nutshell that the states were sovereign before ratification and remained as such after the Constitution was ratified.

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"[Education] is favorable to liberty. Freedom can exist only in the society of knowledge. Without learning, men are incapable of knowing their rights, and where learning is confined to a few people, liberty can be neither equal nor universal.”
Dr. Benjamin Rush (1786)

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/68th/95bills/SJR01.TXT

Votes: http://www.leg.state.nv.us/68th/reports/HistoryLibraryNELIS....

As an interesting side note. Our good friend GOP Chairwoman Sue Lowden supported the bill.

Email addresses:
stan.kelly@leg.state.nh.us
house_communications@leg.state.nh.us

Here's what I sent. Please do similarly right away:

Subject field: "HCR6 - Please lead the way by passing this historic bill at this critical hour in American history"

Dear New Hampshire House of Representatives,

I write from Florida. Please lead the way in getting America back into the hands of We The People by voting for NH HCR6* - 'Affirming States' Rights Based on Jeffersonian Principles.'

*http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/default.aspx

Sincerely,

Campbell
W. Campbell Douglass III MD, MS

just follow the money, all the states are now in a financial panic and the only source for a bail out comes from the federal government, there will be little done to aggravate the feds in this environment, so these provision for state sovereignty will have little support.

the sad part is that when the states can least afford to do the right thing they propose good legislation that they dare not enact.

The term Fk'n idiots comes to mind.

For what it is worth our Fk'n idiots in Canada are worse than yours.

This is only step one on the path. They pull this kind of crap because they think we're easily dissuaded and distracted and that this one hiccup is going to move us from this important path. We need to show them that this is not the case.

We need to hold the people who railroaded it and the people who voted against it accountable and we need to be clear about why they are being held accountable. We also need to stop using rhetoric that is unnecessary - as other posters here have suggested - and make us sound a trifle fanatical at times. Then we need to try to pass this liegislation or something very much like it again. And again. Until it's passed.

It's going to be a long, hard, painfully frustrating road that we tread here, but we can either take the country back a little at a time from the bottom up or it's going to take a top down revolutionary act which will be a hideous mess. I vote for the former. There's a lot of people waking up to this and our numbers grow every single day.

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"Live Free or Die" -- Amen to that

Particularly with The type of rhetoric that went along with this.

For example, Things like "NH fires the first shot of civil war " ?

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/82437

This is a great example of what I've been talking about here for a while. Instead of starting a discussion of the things the Federal Government does wrong, and where it oversteps, we get "lets start a civil war"

And then everyone is so appalled and surpised when legislation is quickly and easily defeated ?

When They All Start To Feel The Suffering Then They Will Act, But Will It be To late? Wisdom Is needed...Is There Any Real Men Present?

What the hell happened? I'm tired of getting screwed over every chance we get to have a shot at some liberty. I'm from Massachusetts and would have loved to have the State Income Tax abolished, but it didn't. Now NH gets screwed over. We need the names of these people who voted against it at the last moment.

Let us teach them a lesson for sacrificing liberty for security. Let us all make their lives that much more miserable. They only saw the short and temporary security that they would have in life offered by the villainous bribers, but are blind to see that in exchange THEY and many more would suffer in the long run.

Take a stand, step it up, and prove to them that sacrificing liberty for temporary security would only result in the opposite. Instead of having the crooks surround their house with guns controlling them, let's have the patriots of this country surround their houses.

go after them....make their life....hard

if it doesn't pass on the floor then take it to a referendum let the people decide.

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Get Prepared!
Only dead fish go with the flow...

Someone's following orders from someone... traitorous...

"You are a den of Vipers.I intend to rout you out and by the Eternal God I will rout you out."

It means the committee recommends not passing the bill. The full house will have to vote on it still. Remember that the opt-out for Real ID was also ITLed and still passed the house anyway. This may still pass, but if it doesn't, we'll be back next year!

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why am i NOT surprised?

I can't believe this! How could this happen, in the Free State!?!?!? If it doesn't pass here, it won't pass anywhere! The Liberty movement must "annex" NH and claim it!