Plane goes down in Buffalo with 9/11 Widow on Board - Something's fishy

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090213/ap_on_re_us/plane_into_h...

I did a quick read of the plane going down. There was no Mayday call, nothing. Now I read this. Am I being paranoid or do the dots just not connect?

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thank you for adding this thread

im not saying that i believe that there is anything here, but i love that everyone here questions it.

thanks!

if nothing else...

this thread has served to bring this brave and courageous woman's fight to the "front" of our thoughts and the "story" of her struggle to find the truth of 9/11 will now be more remembered and not so easily swept under the rug of history...

O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!

funny

I told my wife, I give it 3 hours before I see this on Daily Paul... It only took 1 hour after I said it. While it does sound fishy, it would have been far easier for her to have an 'accident'.

My guess is the pilot banked too hard, the plane stalled. They were only 5 miles out, they were low, there was not time to recover. bam. the plane did not just "drop" from the sky either. there was parts spewed out over a large area.

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i live 40 miles away

living close to this story makes it personal for me , they are blaming it on ice and i know all of you out there view buffalo as a frozen tundra but let me tell you that last night was around 35 degrees comparred to -10 and colder for the past few weeks no plane crashes then or even in our history for commercial airlines. I would like to know when her court date was?

THE BLACK BOX IS NOT BLACK

IT IS BRIGHT ORANGE!

By SEWELL CHAN Published:

By SEWELL CHAN
Published: February 13, 2009
Alison L. Des Forges, was a passenger on ... Flight 3407 when it crashed near Buffalo on Thursday night... She was 66.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bbe_1234560776

There's nothing fishy about

There's nothing fishy about this plane crash, it was a tragic accident:

9/11 Cover-Up Connection: Black Boxes Found 15 Hours After Buffalo Crash

Yet FBI claimed that indestructible black boxes were never discovered following WTC attack

Paul Joseph Watson

Prison Planet.com

Friday, February 13, 2009

One of a plethora of cover-ups surrounding 9/11 is the FBI’s contention that the black boxes onboard the two planes that crashed into the World Trade Center were never found, a claim that has been further discredited following the news that the black box onboard flight Q400 that crashed last night in New York was found within 15 hours.

The FBI told the 9/11 Commission that the black boxes from Flight 11 and Flight 175, despite being built to withstand direct full speed crashes and temperatures of 1800-degrees, were never discovered in the wreckage at ground zero. They also claimed that the voice recorder from Flight 77 and the flight data box from Flight 93 were damaged beyond recovery.

It is incredibly rare that black boxes remain undiscovered after a plane crash, and considering that the WTC site was meticulously cleaned up to the point where tiny bone fragments were recovered, it is inconceivable that the black boxes could have been completely lost, even if they were damaged beyond repair.

In 2004, New York firefighters Mike Bellone and Nicholas DeMasi went public to say they had found the black boxes at the World Trade Center, but were told to keep their mouths shut by FBI agents. Nicholas DeMasi said that he escorted federal agents on an all-terrain vehicle in October 2001 and helped them locate the devices, a story backed up by rescue volunteer Mike Bellone.

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/911-cover-up-connection-black-bo...

9/11 Activist Who Sued Government Killed In Buffalo Plane Crash

Widow of Trade Center victim refused to be silenced after attacks

Steve Watson

Infowars.net

Friday, Feb 13th, 2009

One of the passengers aboard the plane that crashed into a house 10 miles from Buffalo, New York, airport late on Thursday was a 9/11 widow who had questioned the official account of the attacks, sued the government and consistently lobbied for an Investigative Commission.

Beverly Eckert was flying to the city for a celebration of what would have been her husband Sean Rooney’s 58th birthday, reports the Press Association. Mr Rooney died on the 98th floor of the World Trade Center’s south tower.

She was among the 44 passengers and four crew on board the Continental Connection flight operated by Colgan Air when it crashed in the Buffalo suburb of Clarence Center.

After 9/11, Ms Eckert refused to accept a cash settlement as compensation and instead sued the government.

“I am suing because unlike other investigative avenues… my lawsuit requires all testimony be given under oath and fully uses powers to compel evidence.” Eckert wrote in December 2003 in a statement entitled My Silence Cannot Be Bought.

“The victims’ fund was not created in a spirit of compassion.… Lawmakers capped the liability of the airlines at the behest of lobbyists who descended on Washington while the September 11 fires still smoldered.” she wrote.

Other September 11 relatives who accepted settlements forfeited their right to sue the airlines, airports, security companies, or other US organizations that could have been faulted for negligence and inadequate security measures. This ensured that very little detail of the attacks emerged outside of the government appointed 9/11 Commission.

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/911-activist-who-sued-government...

A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for James Madison.

How about that

another plane crash with actual plane wreckage - unlike 911.
http://news.aol.com/article/new-york-plane-crash/342026?icid...

I am gross and perverted, I'm obsessed and deranged, I have existed for years but very little has changed, I'm the tool of the government and industry too. Have you guessed me yet??
I'm the slime oozing out from your TV set.

shhhhhhhhh

"There can be only one permanent revolution - a moral one: The regeneration of the inner man."
—Tolstoy

"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."

lol.

lol.

Thank you for

sharing this information with us. I appreciate it, and I keep a open mind after this election year I think anything is possible.

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

I will not speculate

on Beverly Eckert's plane crash.

But she deserves all the praise in the World for not accepting the 9.11 victims compenstaion $ (aprox $1.8 milllion). With this payment, you could never sue or question that day.

Ms.Eckert was one of the people who pushed for the 9.11 commision report & tried to get @ the facts, when everything was & still is done to hide them. From what I can gather, she handled herself with nothing but class & still had to deal with the worst of American society.. insert Ann Coulters 9.11 widow comments.

Our Country is so up-side down & immoral, she might be better off being away from this charade. I honestly hope she is in heaven w/ her husband & at peace.

Amen

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One of Anne Coulter's Harpies

I see. Just kidding., Coulter is a bitch.

Colchester, New London County, Connecticut

There's no way to know, but...

if I had to put money on it...

Sorry ... I have to be on the record about this ...

This whole thread defines insanity and/or narcissism.

I feel like I am in an insane asylum.

For all you newcomers out there ...

write down all these people's names and ...

well ...

you know what to do ...

ignore them from here on out.

WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994

Here comes rhino,the most narcissistic

of narcissists, trying yet again to control what is acceptable for discussion on this forum. Didn't you learn anything from Jefferson the other night?

place rhino at the top of your list...

keep on reading hs crap for awhile, you'll understand what i mean...

O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!

Narcissism? How so?

Even if you don't think there is something fishy about the crash, how is this thread narcissistic?

Oh, and yesterday when I got after you for labeling people with mental illness terms you said, "...I have never labeled anybody here like that ..."

So, I guess now you have, with the "insanity" and "insane asylum" remarks.

As far as ignoring people, to make it easy for people who wish to bypass her threads, perhaps healthnut4freedom should put her name in the title of her thread, like a certain somebody we know who really probably ought to stop doing that. (sarcasm...with a BIG hint for Rhino included)

Rhino, not sure what is going on with ya lately. Something is different. :(

Write down all these peoples names?

Oh that's grand.. Start a list..LOL You should be banned in my opinion for suggesting such a thing. Telling people to ignore information. ZEIG HEIL!!! Also---NARCISSISM??? Where the hell did that train of throught come from???? You are a joke.

Find out if you have a local militia - http://www.uaff.us/

Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/

I would stay away Oruval ...

You won't be able to control yourself ...

LOL.

WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994

Rhino, please don't taunt.

You even laugh about it. "LOL", you say.

But it is not funny.

What did I say to you Thursday about you telling Oruval to stop responding to your posts? Did you even read what I wrote?

I said that works both ways. You don't need to respond to him, either...especially given YOUR weakness for bickering...so please stop taunting.

Please, Rhino.

You were quick to throw Michael's words, about babies who can't control their tempers, at Oruval. But those words don't just apply to him. Besides, what about babies who go around taunting people?

I know you and Oruval are not at the top of each others favorite persons lists, but many of us here like things about both of you and don't want to see EITHER of you banned.

You both are on the side of liberty and the constitution. You may not agree on everything, but you don't have to be enemies, either.

Please, Rhino. Don't push things. There is nothing funny about being banned.

If you are as serious about this forum as you led me to believe in our conversations in December, please show that by backing off regarding the remarks, the little digs and jabs...the taunts. Please.

P.S. Rhino, you are not the only one who taunts around here. I saw someone who complains about bullying say some pretty bad stuff Thursday to someone they accuse of being a bully. But they were the one who picked the fight...and their words were not benign.

Unfortunately, the other person played right into it. Had they not, the really nasty taunt would've stuck out like a sore thumb...it would've stuck out like the bullying it actually was.

But the other person got drawn in. Then they both looked bad...and like babies.

Rhino, if you want to be taken seriously, please do not jump on that bandwagon.

then i'll "bust" your...

disinfo ass...whino!

ps...i wish you would stay away...

O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!

odds are there is nothing fishy

But the fact that she just met with Obama to discuss a more thorough 9/11 investigation is a definite factoid that any reasonable person ought to consider.

Calling asking questions "insanity" is plain foolish on your end. One thing you can do is avoid the threads that you think are "weird" or whatever.

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www.ponderthis.net

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Ignore who?

Ignore me because I am asking a valid question? Give me a break! I believe this is important to look at. Is that against this forum to do a little thinking outside the box? You guys are really something. What is so much an insane asylum or narcissism because a strange coincidence just JUMPS out at me. I am not a 9/11 truther, I am someone who is looking for the facts. Looks like if people actually read the facts instead of just yelling at me for bringing it up, they might have either decided it was just a mere coincidence or there was a possibility of a connection.

But, ok, no coincidence here. Just ignore the fact that the woman was challenging the U.S. government for their complete sloppiness on the worst day of her life and thousands of others. Just ignore it.

Healthnut4freedom

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

Healthnut4freedom

The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22

Anyone who is so quick to label "insanity"

Ought to be looked at with a wary eye by reasonable people.

Bringing up salient facts is NEVER a bad thing.

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She sued the government

After 9/11, Ms Eckert refused to accept a cash settlement as compensation and instead sued the government.

“I am suing because unlike other investigative avenues… my lawsuit requires all testimony be given under oath and fully uses powers to compel evidence.” Eckert wrote in December 2003 in a statement entitled My Silence Cannot Be Bought.

Link

Really?

Well, well. But there is no story here. Go back to sleep or go yell at someone else for bringing up something to look into. All I was doing was asking the folks here who are intelligent and interested in all of the facts to look into this. I was asking for a war or an assault on my intelligence.

Healthnut4freedom

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

Healthnut4freedom

The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22

Beverly

Beverly wrote:

“I want to know what went so wrong with our intelligence and security systems that a band of religious fanatics was able to turn four U.S. passenger jets into an enemy force, attack our cities and kill 3,000 civilians with terrifying ease. I want to know why two 110-story skyscrapers collapsed in less than two hours and why escape and rescue options were so limited.”