World Market bloodbath UPDATE - what's today gonna bring?

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Markets around the world tumbled again last night. It seems Obama's 'stimulus' package is stimulating in the wrong direction!

With no faith left in our leaders and no faith in our markets, is there anywhere to go but down?

The bell rings in under 30 minutes. Will we seek a new (new) bottom? Or will the bargain hunters rally in search of table scraps from the new world dis-order?

Brother, can you spare a dime?

******DOW is now under 7500. Unprecedented and against all the market cheerleader predictions. Are we seeing an end of prosperity as we know it?

In 'Crash Course' on another thread it is repeated that the next twenty years will look nothing like the past twenty years. I believe we're seeing that taking hold.

*****DOW is now under 7K.... substantially under. 6800 range. It's sinking faster than they can bail. It seems they are hoping (arranging) for a controlled, orderly crash instead of a huge all-at-once crash. It's perfect for the viewing American public who don't have a week-to-week memory. The last update was only a little over a week ago. Here we are at the 'psychological low' of 6800. Are we now looking at 3K as a bottom?

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Another nation on the brink...

Following Iceland...

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2009/03/02/Unrest_in_Ukrain...

And even "Dr. Doom" is scared?...

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/197164/Even-Dr....

“Let a man never stir on his road a step without his weapons of war; for unsure is the knowing when need shall arise of a spear on the way without.” - Odin

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Holy crap! Hey, do you think this will effect the rest of...

...the world's markets? Upset the apple cart? Tip the scales?

I think so. I think we are hearing the death knells right now.

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

Looking at the world markets again....

Hang Seng is down 461 points right now (12:13AM EST)...NIKKEI down 166.
All the European markets are down.
Mexican stock market was down 367 points.

Another transfusion for the hemorrhage patient, Doctor!

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

Bank Nationalization, Dollar Devaluation, and A Holiday either

in one or both the stock market or the banks. Something will be happening soon.

Beware the bear market rally

Before the market continues its slide into the depths, it's possible that there could be a rather significant bear market rally. Bearish sentiment is at historic highs. So who is left to do the selling?

Also note that the Baltic Dry Index has tripled since its low in December.

I almost closed out my short positions right before the market closed. I decided to sleep on it.

It goes 1000 points a month

October was 11K, November was 10K, December was 9K, January 8K, February 7K, at this pace it will be at zero by September.

Somebody may want to verify my october and november figures.

Mike....

February IS the shortest month! Gotta move fast when you only have 28 days....

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

Down 251 points! Holy Sh*t! Crowding the 7K mark.

Will we be trading in the 6K range before the end of the week?

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

How many times can I resurrect this thread...

...and still maintain relevance?

Another incredible ride on Wall Street. I see predictions of 6000 by week's end. I can not say 'impossible' anymore. Trading under 7500....banks about to snap shut.

It is a bad thing.

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

The most concerning part is the low volume.

The markets really haven't been going anywhere...they seem to have a downward bias but in fact they are just falling from lack of activity.

All I know for sure (because anyone that says the makets are going up or down is guessing) is that it takes very high volume for a market to "pull up" out of a bottom. We don't have heavy selling or buying. It's almost as if traders are staying away.

From a day trader's point of view it's been almost too good to be true. every 20 minutes there is a buying or selling opportunity and it's been very profitable.

Today there were over 20 opportunities to take 5 S&P points (or more)with certainty. 20 times $250/contract --- not bad.
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"The Number one reason people lose money is the FEAR of losing money." Sir John Templeton

"GINO" = Government In Name Only

Traders Staying Away, + Low volume

Guess what, financial people in the know have everything pulled. The only ones in the market are the poor suckers who continue to fund their 401Ks ... the people the financial people invest for. That's why the low volume.

So you're the guy!

I heard that someone had figured out how to beat the market with certainty by day-trading. Please tell us how!

It seems that every time Obama or one of his henchmen..

...open their mouths to explain this ransom... I mean bailout.... I mean stimulus...the market heads for the floor like it dropped it's keys!

To those who said 'not today' maybe you didn't count on the big 'O' flapping his gums up in Canada. I wonder who'll be on the Amero?

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

Not Today

Dont expect anything today, maybe fri but more likely after this week ends. This is options expiration and no one is buying vol... that means no sell off is coming today...

Oops... maybe 'not today' was a little presumptive...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

It never seems to take long to slip into negative numbers....

...anymore. Did you notice that? Even on days when you would think the money-grabbers would be out picking up the crumbs of the previous day's retreat there is now a profound hesitation.

Does it make you wonder why?

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

Also, I have problems with everyting being attributed to the PPT

I know, I do the same knee-jerk reaction when the market doesn't respond the way I think it should...PPT at work.

I wonder however, just how much pull the PPT can muster. And on almost a daily basis. I know we have a corrupt government and they weild a lot of clout. I'm just starting to doubt they have to resources to do what we all claim they do.

The PPT dates back to the Reagan years, if I'm correct. Do we know what sort of leverage they have? Do we know how much money they have to infuse into the market? How do they actually do what they do?

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

Just looked at the foreign markets again...

Central America took a hit... parts of Asia (NIKKEI) are slightly higher but I doubt it will remain that way. Europe as well. Central America took the brunt this time, it seems.

I think we're going to test the waters of a brand new low by Friday. Just a feeling; nothing to back it up. The stimulus isn't going to work and I don't believe it is intended to. It will bail out a lot of banks and industries that are in trouble and then serve only to devalue the dollars in your pocket. If you're high enough in the trough, the water is clean... down here where we are...well, that's a little different.

So, what do we do? Protest?? Vote them out? Tax protest? Bank runs? The problem with any of the available options is they are either useless or self-defeating. There will never be a clean sweep of the congress and you know it. If you don't, contact me about several bridges I have...

And those lined up to replace the swine in congress are equally piggish.

They do the things they do because they have absolutely no fear of us. At all.

They need to fear us again. They need to tremble when they pass a bill without even cracking the binding on the 1000+ pages of pork. They need to look over their shoulders when they promise big and deliver small. They should quake at the thought of lying to their constituents for fear of being ridden out of town on a rail. They need to fear the gallows for their treason. They need to fear us.

And, face it, we are no longer fearsome.

We've taken it for so many decades now I can honestly say that I wouldn't fear us either. The list of lies and broken promises extends for miles and years. There's no end to it. They produce more lies than they do worthless money. And still we sit. Still we clap when they speak. Still we show up to their rallies. Still we vote for the lesser of two evils. We consume the bilge that they spew with a glee that should be reserved for fine cuisine. And we do nothing.

When do we say 'no more' and mean it? When do we grab them by the proverbial throat and throttle them till they stop? When do we reassert our power as the citizens of this country; not as spectators at a ball game or an audience watching a show...but of the possessors of the very power that they are abusing?

In "Network", we were would that the first thing you have to do is get mad. And boy, am I mad. Angry people are less tolerant and less forgiving than happy people. From what I see and what I read, I am not the only angry person out there. People across this once-great land are waking up cold and hungry - and mad. They are watching their children suffer. They are watching their elders lose everything they spent a lifetime accumulating. They are losing jobs, homes, families, fortunes big and small - and they're mad. I can feel it. America is an angry nation right now. And who can blame us?

Now we have to channel that anger. I'm not saying get behind a candidate and follow him all the way through to the white house. That's a crock as we learned. Our masters don't want our candidate. They don't want us to be represented. They like things just the way they are. Top heavy and corrupt beyond belief. We will never take that office with the system as it is. We'd be lucky to change a local town council!

We have to confront the perpetrators publicly. We need to draw them out into the open, light of day and embarrass them. They need to feel the sting associated with the evil they do. We can't let them control the circumstances and adjust the spin. We need to catch them flat-footed and completely by surprise. Give them no strength in numbers. Approach them individually. Draw them into angry responses and hateful comments. Let the masses see what they look like with their fangs bared. Go to council meetings. Ask pointed questions. Small town newspapers are more likely to cover confrontation that big, MSM.

Go to state-level functions and ask equally pointed questions...ones you know the answers to... and wait for the stunned silence. Don't be inflammatory or emotional - you'll just get dismissed as a kook; a conspiracy theorist. Pick a topic with no conspiracy behind it. Ask your questions in a dry, matter of fact manner. Act like reporters used to act when they used to investigate a story.

It's a long road back but if we work the way all the other successful hunters work, we will be successful. Separate them from the herd. Start with the weakest ones. Once they are alone and feeling helpless, they will almost do the job for you. Stupidity is their native tongue. They can't help but to say stupid things when trapped.

As Dr. Paul says, there are consequences for our actions. Make sure every one of them is finally held accountable for their actions.

You can start as soon as you're mad enough...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

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I think we could see 1000.00 Gold in overnight trading which may buoy silver through 15.00 and beyond. I'll be watchin anxiously tonight.

Interesting thought...

I don't know if we'll see that big a jump in gold in a single bound but I'd sure like to see silver move up proportionally to gold. This 14-15 range is kinda boring. When will we see the twenties?

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

Well

Well, being that silver was at 9.00/oz in december; were doing okay.

remember the cots are

remember the cots are showing the manipulative shorts are piling in again.. don't be surprised if they bust it down to the 9.00 range again..

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
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i almost hope it does go down there. i'll be buyin like motherf**ker. they can only keep this up for so long. also sierra, dont comex deliveries take place this month? anything possibly gonna happen there?

yes but I wouldn't count on

yes but I wouldn't count on anything big.. its a shell game..

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson

I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain

“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)

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Economic bloodbath; the depression cannot end.

I don't know how many people follow the oil depletion problem otherwise known as peak oil. I suspect those of us paying attention are about as small a crowd as those who still believe in freedom in the US. The peak oil crowd are mostly not free market libertarians, but here is one of their articles that explains the oil price mechanics from a market point of view.

http://anz.theoildrum.com/node/5110

Here is also a graphic representation of part of the mechanism on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7vGDwGLU7s

There is no question that one day oil production will begin to decline; it is a finite resource and cannot be pumped into infinity. I am persuaded from years of following this issue, that we are in the early stages of this production decline, and that in fact high oil prices associated with supply constraints set off the contraction of the economy which pushed the unstable, predatory, debt based monetary system into the current panic collapse.

As the economic contraction continues and oil and gas exploration projects are shelved, there will be even less oil found to replace what is being depleted by our continued usage. And of course Obama's anti-oil exploration stance will inflame the problem. So when the economy finally attempts to expand, there will be immediate resistance from the oil supply curve, and oil prices will move up very sharply; much more sharply than they declined, because the supply curve will have shifted even more to the left in the interim. Every attempt at recovery will be choked off, and subsequent attempts will be even more difficult, so the depression will just get deeper and deeper. This will be a main street bloodbath of unbelievable proportions.

So what does this have to do with politics. Quite simple, it will be economic suffering that drives rejection of the current system of plunder and control. Oil drives the economy more so than any other form of energy, and contraction in oil supply translates into contraction in economic output. When the pain from continuing with the present political system exceeds the pain from civil war, then we will have violence. Unfortunately, even restoring the US to a free nation will have little effect on the underlying forces at work. And when we enter civil war, there is not certainty that what comes out the other end will be a restoration of freedom; we might wind up with an even more brutal system of slavery and repression than we now have.

Worry about a market bloodbath in the near term seems somewhat trivial in comparison that the economic bloodbath we face in the longer term. I am hesitant to say "longer term" because this will likely develop fairly quickly and I doubt that we will get past 2020 in peace.

"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence." Thomas H. Huxley

I heard they found

a massive amount of oil off the coast of Brazil. Don't know what effect that will have????

The news is full of stories about wonderful oil discoveries.

These stories are feel good news. Do you see stories of the amount of oil that is no longer being produced or exported because of production declines, or the balance between depletion and discoveries?

You get a distorted view if you do not look at the overall picture. There are always new discoveries being made, and they do contribute to the overall picture which is one of total production hitting the wall only leaving us to face production declines.

Check out this newsletter which follows world oil production:

http://www.aspo-ireland.org/contentFiles/newsletterPDFs/news...

I am not sure which discovery you in Brazil you think is going to salvage the industrial age, but I don't know of one that will amount to a drop in the bucket. Perhaps this is what you are referring to:

http://www.energybulletin.net/node/38218

"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence." Thomas H. Huxley

Think about DeBeers controlling diamond prices.

There are a great many diamonds under their control. Diamonds should be much cheaper because they are so plentiful but because their supply is so concentrated in South Africa, one company is able to ration the supply and keep prices very high.

Oil is far more diffuse worldwide but, in country after country, it is controlled by the same few corporations. It would be in these corporations' interest to have a perceived oil scarcity, whether there was one or not. It is also to the global socialist movement's benefit to have a frightening perceived shortage because such a threat cries out for government solutions (bigger, more invasive government).

I admit there may be a real, near-term point at which oil rises alarmingly in price due to extraction costs from progressively deeper and more problematic oilfields. But I am well aware that the Malthusian cry has ever been thus. "Peak oil" is merely new branding on a fairly old campaign that asks us to believe we are at the very limits of our resources. They may be right now but the fact that they have been so repeatedly wrong in the past destroys my faith in their "Mayday" call today.

The news of one "major" oilfield discovery after another has marched in the face of resource doomsayers for years. Add to that the list of who stands most to benefit from a grand deception possibly akin to the man-made global warming hoax and it looks to me like a recipe for suspicion. Peak oil may be a long way off.

New Hampshire and Ecuador

I suppose I should laugh.

One comment, and that is one of denial, the first defense. And not only is my information flawed, but it is part of some grand deception to feed paranoid suspicions.

Never mind; my thoughts obviously had evil intentions to somehow benefit those on the list of beneficiaries to whom you refer.

I apologize for my intellectual deficiencies and defer to your experience in exposing repeated fraudulent campaigns to somehow disprove exponential growth. Go on with your life and consider not that circumstances may overwhelm you.

In any event, I was off topic.

"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence." Thomas H. Huxley

Today, I see moderate stability. As in plunge protection.

Hey, when the government has $800 Billion of new money to throw around, they can step in anytime and settle the sagging Dow. There are only 30 companies that compose the Dow, and most of them are trading around $2 or $3 per share now, so they're pretty easy to "prop up". On the other hand, they may want to let this "crisis" continue for some time to establish more fear in the public so they can continue their agenda of socialization and nationalization.

alan laney