What is our Political Platform?
I've been reading the Forum posts about Glenn Beck and other conservatives. There's lots of fire; lots of hatred for the mainstream political view, Republicans, and conservatism.
It's hypocrisy, in my opinion, to 'call out' these media mainstream types when almost no one in this movement is willing to actually stand up and create a name brand for US. For what WE stand for. Whatever that is.
We have no Third Party, which means we have no written platform at all. Instead people still want to suck on the teats of the Republican Party in the hopes of 'changing it'. Then they'll complain about people like Glenn Beck in the next breath. He's a spy, a troll, a disinfo agent, a fake, a black sheep, a tool. A whore.
We apparently want ANYONE who becomes even a marginal celebrity to be ideologically pure...while simultaneously, our whole movement doesn't really even know what it stands for yet. We like Ron Paul and we don't like the Fed. That isn't a political movement, or any definition of one. So what are we?
Are we Libertarians? No. Only a small group of LP people here.
Constitution Party? No. Too much Christianity there.
Are we conservatives? No. All you have to do is read the posts I've been talking about to see that. Or just go post the words "Rush Limbaugh", and see how many people respond positively. That should give you an idea.
Are we constitutionalists? No. There is an outspoken contingent that doesn't believe in the Constitution. Read this: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/83129
How can you demand ideological purity from people when you have no firm foundation for your own belief system? What are we? Oh, um...we are 'patriots'. (We can't even say we are 'constitutional patriots', because we aren't that coalesced or congealed yet.) So what will the average person think we believe in? The Patriot Act? Hey, it's got the word 'patriot' in it.
I wish the people in this movement would decide what it stands for, and then do something about it. In that order. Not run and "do something" to promote Liberty in the precinct halls of a political party that thinks 'waterboarding is cool'. That's called 'wasting your time'---and when you exhort others to do the same thing, it's called 'wasting everyone's time'.
But I'm not a Republican. I've personally boycotted the party and I'll never go back. So that prejudices my worldview. I'm willing to work with conservatives however, and at least try to influence them. I'm willing to befriend Republicans. I have no problem with that at all. At the same time, I will never again vote Republican, unless it's on a ballot for Ron Paul.
In that sense only, I am different, I think, from most people here because I have staked out a solid position. It may or may not be the correct position, but it's a position.
I'm not being pompous. I think it's insane for us to denounce the mainstream, when we have not yet said what it is that separates our position from the mainstream.
What's our position? What's our platform?
I want to know what other people think on this, and how to create an ideological spine for our movement.
Oh, and please come weigh in on this thread:
After giving this
some thought and reading the comments. I think I am going to try and make a go of the Republican Party. Ugh! I can hardly believe I said that but there are Patriots here who are making headway and this is what the good Dr. wants. We are going to steer this damn boat around to be what it was meant to be. A REPUBLIC and a Republican party with a Jeffersonian influence.
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Have you read the header of the Daily Paul Kevin?
It says right on it "Dedicated to Restoring Constitutional Government to the United States of America". So why do you say we're not Constitutionalists? Our "Platform" is the same as the Founding Fathers'.
Debbie
he says it, debbie, because his aim is to destroy the daily paul
...the constitution is not good enough for this egomaniac/destroyer of the daily paul...who else would come on here and call us all hypocrits because WE, the people, call for a resumption of our basic rights...
this man uses deception and confusion in his threads to bring WE, the people AWAY from the constitution and towards a NEW set of maxims?
what the hell does that mean? he is just as bad as those in government who call the constitution a "living" document to be seen differently by everyone who reads it!
thats BULL!
tuma is a disinfo tool and it disappoints and pains me that Nystrom can not see this...
i don't believe his cartoons are his...i believe he is a fraud! think about it...don't these cartoons look like something you would see in the ny times or some major newspaper? why aren't they? either one of two things is true...they are NOT his original work or he is a complete idiot for not being able to parlay his talent into a "famous" living...either way, do we need him here "running" the show while michael nystrom counts his money?
this will be the thread that seriously challenges my "priviledge" to be here...i would not be surprised to be "banned" because of my beliefs...if that happens, so be it...
remember this, my fellow DP'ers...trusting in the constitution and what RP has spoken for over 25 years DOES NOT make us hypocrits, no matter what that egomaniac/tool tuma says...and HIS ATTACK on the Constitution and Bill of Rights should be seen as proof of my assertions...please wake up, michael...
O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!
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I'm saying it isn't a unified, confirmed view.
I'm a constitutionalist myself. But I would say only a percentage of us are constitutionalists..the majority, but it's far from unanimous.
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"I would say,"
means " I speak with no evidence."
The data of your extreme wit.
That is all.
I agree with many posts below,
if we stick to the core principles of peace (non aggression) and freedom, we can appeal to people of the entire political spectrum. Since Ron Paul's peaceful "freedom is popular" approach, a lot of people are attracted to the term libertarian without fully understanding the foundation as we do.
We are in a much better position today than formerly to explain the necessary connection of peace and freedom to opportunity for all people to live creatively fulfilling, prosperous, and spiritually rich lives.
Everything that's been done by force by government or other thugs ends so badly, is so inept, wasteful, corrupt, etc. People can be shown that free individuals can do so much better.
I posted this affirmative video, The People's Stimulus, before but it disappeared too fast for many to see. In it all ordinary people of every type are unanimous in agreement they could do better with their own money than the government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV5Ulu86-TY
Stop printing money, stop the welfare state...
and let each individual state have more authority....We must stop the printing of the U.S. dollar, along with supporting all the groups that seek funding. What happened to the America that use to work hard?
Its simple Kevin,
Lets just list out all of Ron Paul's positions. That's our Platform.
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
Exactly, which are all "follow the Constitution". It's a non-
problem, Kevin, it's already been done. Somebody beat you to it - his name is Dr. Ron Paul.
Debbie
Or
We can use the four he drafted for the third party's last year.
just want to cast a wide net.
Here's an idea Kevin
On The Issues has a candidate match page that gives a list of issues and asks you to respond and them matches you with the voting and our quotes from candidates. http://www.speakout.com/VoteMatch/Pres2008.asp?quiz=2008 This page is available to everyone, I believe there are other sites like On The Issues that has vote match pages. But this is a place to start because whatever issues become our issues will be there in order we allready agree.
My vote match is Jesse Ventura, I support Ron Paul and voted for Ralph Nader (4th time), so I can be flexible.. but I think the platform need to gel and I hope On The Issues can help us get in the game BIG TIME!! The rEVOLution Party. ;))
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Someone posted this in
Someone posted this in another thread, and after looking it over, I feel there are MANY good ideas for our platform here. Please take a look!
Now for the hard part...who will be the one to roll up their sleeves and put all these great ideas together and then RUN with it?!!?
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Why don't we work on it here now?
I have lots of my own ideas, but I want to hear what other people think.
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If they want MY vote, they need to tell me why they are better than the other guy, not why the other guy is worse than they are.
My Platform
Hi all,
I think the "States Rights" movement will highlight what many of us here feel the problem is... a runaway train of a national government. But I think that very issue of "States Rights" still comes back to the Constitution.
I am registered Republican, but only to be able to participate as fully in the process as possible. I have never actually voted for any candidate endorsed by either party at the national level. I was crestfallen when Dr. Paul did not choose to become independent.
Dr. Paul appealed to me first on the issues of Fiscal Responsibility. When I learned that he always operated his office under budget and returns those those unused proceeds to the Treasury each year, I found a man who "walks the talk" and displays personal integrity.
What would I like to see?
LIMITED NATIONAL GOVERNMENT
- States Rights movement is highlighting this now.
- End the Empire building.
- Stop the superpower arrogance.
- Stop military efforts around the world
- End the many departments of the government that were not
called for in the constitution.
- I don't own any guns, but I believe in your right to do so. Let's
get the government out of the gun confiscation business.
The Constitution already embodies these principles... if followed.
FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY
- Balance the budget every year.
- Make deficits illegal.
- Return to sound money and End the FED.
- Income tax reform/repeal. At the very least I should be able to
to file my taxes based on some simple formula on a postcard.
The Constitution already has most of these issues covered. Any loose ends can be appropriately AMENDED to the Constitution in a simple easy to understand form.
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
- End this entitlement system that seems to train a portion of our
population to be lifelong dependents.
- End these wars on drugs and the puritanical positions on health
and bodily issues. These are positions of personal responsibility.
- Oh, and when you are caught up in issues of drug dependency,
pregnancy, etc, don't come to the government for a bailout. Your
community should respond to these needs, not the FEDS.
Again all things I think the Constitution handles well, if allowed to
be done as originally intended.
NATIONAL INTEGRITY
- Lets treat the world like we want to be treated.
- How about a Bill of Rights... Oh, our forefathers thought of that
too. If Human Rights are INALIENABLE, how can this country
support a Gitmo style prison system? No right to trial? Say What?
- National Defense should be just that... for our nation. Period.
- No ENTANGLING ALLIANCES.
Constitution and our founders covered these issues too!
ECONOMIC POLICIES
- Keynesian Economics has been proven misguided.
- Lets switch gears and try the Austrian method. What have we
got to loose? Seems to me the Austrian school pretty much
saw this coming and Nailed the reason: Credit Expansion.
Obviously the Keynesians were blindsided... back in Ocotber and
November... how many times did you hear them say: "Nobody
saw this coming"? What an outright lie!
- Most points under Fiscal Responsibility could be repeated here.
- Get the government out of Business. STOP THE BAILOUTS!
- Return to a FREE MARKET SYSTEM.
- Deregulate. Let theft, fraud and contract law return.
HONEST POLITICS
- Today that phrase is an oxymoron, but it is only so because of
the outside monies involved.
- Make the lobbying system illegal. It amounts to little more than
graft. Can you say conflict of interest? There was 98% public
sentiment against the bailouts and they passed anyway. Our
system is BROKEN. There should be 535 impeachment
processes going on right now!
- I think we should have a voting system that works. How about you?
- How about letting the citizenry actually elect our President? Many
of our friends around the world can do it. Just not us stupid
Americans?
OK I think I will stop for now... If the Constitution is vague in some
way that has allowed our leaders to stray... WE CAN AMEND IT.
Have a wonderful weekend!
All 3rds must unite
It seems clear based on historical election results, that to stand a hare's chance on the firing range for a 3rd Party to win the next election, all like-minded 3rd parties must unite and all vote together. Seems the only way to come close to competing with the brainwashed Rep/Dem sheeple.
That way we can also pool all 3rds money together, get media coverage, and perhaps have the numbers to show MSM that we are a force worthy of the MSM National Debates and all that FREE publicity. Its all about the numbers, man. We to show our numbers by uniting, IMHO.
So how to do that?
I am not much of a political bug, but it seems logical to me that that is was will be required (3rds uniting), if that is at all possible. I just wish the religious yahoos could set their religion aside for the sake of liberty and taking our country back... and agree to a common non-religious platform... and just reinstate the Constitution, and kick out all the CFR/Bilderberg/Tilateral cronies.
“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” -- John Quincy Adams
“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” -- John Quincy Adams
I agree with uniting third parties.
Not for percentages. Just to lessen the confusion. People are much more likely to vote for one unified Third Party than five disparate, disconnected ones.
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Who R U??
If Your New To Our Movement Then I would Say Join "The Campaign For Liberty" And Get Educated..We Would Be Happy To Have You Join Us And The Movement For Liberty..
If You Have Been Following The Ron Paul 2008 Campaign For President / Now The Campaign For Liberty, With All Of The Many Videos And Comments Made By The Bloggers..Etc...Etc...THEN....You Either Haven't Learned Anything And Are Obviously An Embecile Or One Of Them Snake Attack Dog Obama Lovers!!!
So, Who R U??
I think one thing
Kevin is trying to say, or at least that should be said, is that we had little or no real impact. The John Birchers have been at this for years and years, and to little avail. Sure there's a small minority who recognize what's going on, but the question is: Is there anything that can be done to stem the tide? I don't think the Campaign for Liberty is going to do it any more than one lone Ron Paul in the Congress. I'm personally ready to throw my lot in with Fred (of Fred's plan to save America), but I'm also willing to work in other directions.
Snake Attack Dog...no not that.
Who R U 2?
I joined the Campaign for Liberty last summer, and I'm not an "embecile" or a 'Snake Attack Dog Obama Lover' (whatever that means).
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Take over the Republican party
Force the republicans to obey the Constitution. If you can't beat them join them, then beat them.
george III
Yea that will work..
Shove our goodness down their throats by force and then they will see. Good idea bush.
If they want MY vote, they need to tell me why they are better than the other guy, not why the other guy is worse than they are.
What if george said
Replace them with ourselves ?
The GOP is in a state of severe decline.
The conservatives are abandoning it. It may soon BE a Third Party.
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That may be but, isn't the nation ?
Like Dr Paul says, we live in great times, great time of opportunity and great time of disaster. I originally only joined the R's to get a vote in the caucus but, hell look what a handful of patriots can do on a local level. Yes, Nationally I still am disgusted with them. One step at a time always forward never backing down. Just thinking out loud.
I'm saying third parties may be more viable than people think.
The GOP is in danger of becoming a third party and the conservatives are making talk of creating a new party themselves.
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Let them go
We could take it and make something good out of it.
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Kevin
I agree except that the word conservative was hijacked and is no longer well received by many. We had many discussions about the wording and we liked, Constitutional Republican ideals, that got watered down a bit to some thing like this,
The Lake County Republican Party Value Statement Read as follows: “To serve Lake County with integrity, through community involvement and by honoring the Republican and Constitutional values of individual liberty and self reliance, while recruiting and supporting, quality local and state candidates, and by helping inform and educate our communities on the issues that concern them.”
and this
“The Lake County Republican Central Committee Exists to: identify, recruit, support and elect Conservative candidates with constitutional values in every Partisan and non-partisan election in Lake County.”
Edit update: After looking at those statements some many times, the typo, placement of the cap. c, may not have been so accidental....(really stands out on this back round) LMAO hope you like
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