Twelve Maxims of the Movement.
In this thread I proposed that we write our own platform:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/83674
Regardless of which political party we belong to, we need an ideological spine to the movement. People need to know what we stand for. Beginning with us.
I propose a concise and sparsely worded set of maxims--inflexible platform positions. Brief, pithy definitives. Things that go beyond the libertarian rejection of 'force' and 'fraud' and speak directly to what we would abolish or prohibit in government.
Forceful, brief; no more than twenty words each. It is arguable that the Second Amendment would have been much more effective if it had been limited to the simple phrase: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." We need a simple, direct set of philosophical and political phrases.
Twelve seems an ideal number. The Ten Commandments and the Bill of Rights got by with ten each, but even they did not have to deal with a government that has overgrown not only its own capital, its own nation, but the world itself.
Let's write a platform.
Maybe this should be the DailyGaryJohnson
Or somebody that we like that can win, now that Ron is retiring to his old ways.
What do you mean by
What do you mean by 'retiring to his old ways'?
...
Not Running for President
and continuing his now 11th term. That is his old ways. The guy who talked him into running for President is dead.
This is what Ron is comfortable with and we should not ask more of him.
Old ways do not mean bad or ineffective.
He said himself, that he does not know how to raise money on the internet. He is sticking with what he has done that is successful,
and he needs to shake loose of that introduction at CPAC John Tate guy, feeding from his table scraps , like Bush winning using Reagans coat tails.
I think you're right.
Dr. Paul is comfortable in his very important role as senior eleven-term US Congressman.
It doesn't mean he is defeatist....he is just the sort of Congressman our Founders wanted to fill the hallowed halls. He is a true hero.
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I wouldn't mind seeng more of Gary Johnson
He was certainly the best governor New Mexico ever had.
"Free government is founded in jealousy, and not in confidence; it is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited constitutions." Thomas Jefferson, Kentucky Resolutions of 1798
Gary Johnson
Is he still alive? He was the best at THE RALLY at the target center.
He is young. a friggin ex two term governor, and he practically read Ron Paul issues as his own...
plus i don't think he lives permanently in Mexico like that wrestler guy at the rally.
Knowing Gary Johnson...
He's training for the next Ironman Triathalon or his second ascent of Mt. Everest. He's a total workaholic and committed to the liberty movement. I think he would be a worthy successor of Ron Paul if Ron doesn't run in 2012. I am confident that Ron would endorse him.
"Free government is founded in jealousy, and not in confidence; it is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited constitutions." Thomas Jefferson, Kentucky Resolutions of 1798
What is the purpose of the Daily Paul?
DAILY PAUL MAXIMS (12)
• ENFORCE OATH TO OBEY CONSTITUTION(USC), ESPECIALLY THE 9TH AND 10TH AMENDMENTS. EACH BILL MUST CITE WHAT WORDS IN USC SUPPORT ITS PURPOSE AND SCOPE. THIS CITATION TO BE SUPPORTED BY 75% SUPERMAJORITY
• SUPPORT US CONSTITUTION AND AMEND AS REQUIRED ONLY USING CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS
• INVALIDATE 14TH US AMENDMENT BECAUSE OF USE OF MILITARY FORCE OF THREAT DURESS AND COERCION ON ELECTED OFFICIALS TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF PASSAGE; REPEAL 16TH AND 17TH US AMENDMENTS AND LAWS SUPPORTED BY THEM
• EXPOSE AND CORRECT AND PREVENT VOTE COUNT CORRUPTION, BAN ELECTRONIC VOTE
• NO POLITICAL PARTIES, ONLY INDIVIDUALS AND THEIR BELIEFS
• END THE FED, SOUND NON-FIAT MONEY, GOLD/SILVER STANDARD
• REPEAL ALL UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS, EXEC ORDERS, DEPTS, COURT ORDERS
• JUST COME HOME, NO ENTANGING ALLIANCES, NO PRE-EMPTIVE WAR, AND NO SETUP WAR
Just eight so far... They need to be bumper stickers, yet not vague.. and since this will never see the front page... why are we here? If you have to search for this topic, and nobody has seen it for 5 days
Are we just a blah blah site and extension of youtube? Just a what is ron doing website? Ron Paul groupees website? What are accomplishing here? We are preaching to the choir, and we don't sing good. Good words, but the tune will not sell in this form. Look there are only 274 viewers, not thousands or millions.
Floridapanhandle
Actually I just wanted to hear what people had to say here.
I have my own ideas I can put to words at any time; I was curious if others were interested in writing a platform for the Ron Paul movement, and what they might say if they did.
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The Constitution Speaks For Itself
Seems to me that's the only maxim you need. BTW, I love your cartoons.
"Free government is founded in jealousy, and not in confidence; it is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited constitutions." Thomas Jefferson, Kentucky Resolutions of 1798
Thanks.
The Original Constitution, I believe in. The Fourteenth, Sixteenth, and Seventeenth Amendments turned the document on its head.
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Here are a few federal level
Here are a few federal level suggestions:
1) End the drug war and legalize drugs; possibly regulate substances potent enough to be considered WMD’s.
2) Reaffirm that the 2nd amendment was put there as a check on government power. Allow private ownership of militarily useful weaponry.
3) Repeal the income tax, payroll taxes and any tax other requiring federal knowledge of economic activity taking place within our borders. Fund the federal government via tariffs on goods and people (immigration)
4) End the Fed, fiat money and any ‘lender of last resort’ or FDIC style deposit insurance schemes. Let people choose their own money, and conduct all federal business in specie Gold and/or Silver.
5) Reaffirm and regularize states right to secession.
6) Reapply our armed forces to directly protect the integrity of the US proper. Seal borders both over land, sea and air, and regularize traffic across them. Let the world outside America defend themselves if they should feel like it.
7) Don’t interfere in other countries internal affairs, unless there is reason to believe they are planning an immediate attack on the US.
8) Don’t interfere with American individuals’ decisions with regards to trade and contacts with people outside our borders, as long as any goods or persons crossing the border do so in a regular fashion.
9) End all federal trade, licensing, securities, union, wage etc. laws. Let anyone have a crack at anything anytime anywhere, and let free relations decide the social and economic outcomes.
10) Get rid of federal recognition of ‘implicit contracts’, ‘community standards’ and similar going beyond the criminal code, and then only with criminal case standards of proof. For a civil suit to gain standing in federal court, the plaintiff should be forced to produce an explicitly agreed on contract that he feels the defendant has violated. No ‘Nader’, tobacco or divorce suits in federal courts, and no federal mandate that one state must comply with findings from another’s local courts.
I have a good one ....
but it is one that would be more of a goal than a platform ...
First remember that population at the time of the formation of the constitution was 1/100 of what it is today.
Second remember that GDP at the time of the formation of the constitution was 1/3000 of what it is today.
Here is what I say should happen ...
The number of people in the HoR should be determined by GDP. That would put the number of Representatives at over 1.2 million. Now that is quite unrealistic, but lets go ahead and knock a couple of zeros off and start from there. That would put it at just over 12,000. Devy them up based on State GDP and gerymander accordingly. If we get a 1% GDP growth then the HoR grows by 1% and devied up again based on state GDP.
The number of people in the Senate should be determined by total population. That would be approx. 10,000 senators or 200 per state. Again, lets knock a couple a zeros off and start from there. Let's say it is 200 or 4 per state to start, but will grow with the population. For every 50 million growth in the population, another senator from each state gets added.
1. Could you imagine the budgets that the lobbiest would need.
2. Much more accountability.
3. The process would grind to a near halt. Each bill would have to be very small and have one single issue.
4. It would virtually eliminate the earmark, or put the govt. into bankruptcy very very quickly.
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
L. Neil Smith had a great idea.
In The Probability Broach, he described a congress where people could choose their representatives in real-time, and the votes they cast were a proxy for their constituents. Any given representative might be voting for a million people or just themselves, depending on whether they could attract and maintain support.
-jcr
"The problem with trying to child-proof the world, is that it makes people neglect the far more important task of world-proofing the child." -- Hugh Daniel
Common Sentiment
The common sentiment here is not that we need a new platform. We have the Constitution already and 16th and 17th amendment was passed unlawfully, so it's not really part of it anyway. And we have to figure out how to enforce the Constitution.
1. Follow the Constitution strictly word by word (except 16th and 17th amendment)
2. Re-establish the Militia of the Several States to defend State rights and the Constitution. (abolish army national guards, return full control of the Militia to the States, also make all weaponry available to general public, the Militia got to be as good as the US Army, if that's not attainable, just down grade the US Army and Air Force)
3. Return the rights of education back to parents and families, no more Federal or State run government schools.
4. De-regulate banking and financial system, return to the sound money system in the Constitution, allow free market to work.
But I do think this is a futile activity. No one can keep the Constitution. We can't even keep the Ten Commandments, and that's just 10! However good the system is, we will also fail it. Not because the system, but because humans are evil inherently. So, unless we are reformed spiritually, no system will work.
Love one another.
...or Else.
Nathan
I'm in with both feet !!
"Obamney care," Nuff said.
Should we just stop at cannabis?
I think this is a good topic to contemplate seriously.
There are probably political liabilities to writing into a platform that 'all drugs should be legalized'.
On the other hand, I feel that's the correct position. There weren't any recreational drug laws before 1900.
What does everyone else think?
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All look pretty good
except I would strengthen 7 and 9. How about
7. end corporate identity.
9. abolish the fbi and cia.
Who answers to whom
All power residing originally in the people, and being derived from them, the several magistrates and officers of government, vested with authority, whether legislative, executive, or judicial, are their substitutes and agents, and are at all times accountable to them.
Who says?
We say!
But who are we?
We're the People!
(We're the People?)
(The ones government agents are supposed to be accountable to?)
Really?
What happened?
To answer this question, you must first ask “How did we get a government in the first place?”
Answer: The government of THIS Commonwealth (Massachusetts) was created by the towns...
What is a town? Simply put, it's us! But do we call upon our towns to hold the agents of the government they created accountable?
Generally, no.
These days, more often than not, our towns are beholden to the government they created because the government they created has passed all manner of laws that are:
1. repugnant to the law by which it was created,and
2.act directly upon the individual, thereby circumventing his town and the protection it could and should afford him.
Now, let's dream a little...
What IF instead of going to any of the three departments of our government for answers we were to go to our TOWNS first?
What IF, by once again using our towns for their proper purpose of defending the Inhabitants thereof, they were to take back the control they have slowly but surely handed over to the government they created in 1780?
What IF our towns were to say “no” to any and all breaches of our state constitution?
What IF our towns were to stand between us and the big bad government tax man so that taxation would be by consent, as Article X declares?
What IF our towns were to order the governor of the Commonwealth to enforce the US Constitution, the law by which the States created the federal government?
What IF the LAWS that created the American system of Liberty and Justice for all were to be ENFORCED?
Then government would have nothing to hide.
Then government would be open and honest because every last one of our government agents would be held accountable to us, through our towns, our “extended families” formed for mutual defense and protection, where this great nation got its start...
I'm tellin' you...
The beatings will continue until marksmanship improves.
"If you cannot, without fail, hit a dinner plate at 100 yards with one shot, under field conditions, within 5 seconds, you're not yet a rifleman. And until you are, no oppressor will ever take you seriously." ---Kenneth Royce
Aside from not having anything to eat on, this is the kind of "criminal prosecution" that has promise of making judges pay attention to the constitution.
Haha, this is like asking the average guy to become philosophers
As a high school senior, I think I'll take up this challenge and start researching right away and see if I can come up with something by the end of this week!
I'll start by reading through:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inalienable_rights
as well as previous historical documents and world religions texts to see if I can pick some maxims that represent how I feel but may or may not reflect others here. Hopefully what I will gain from this project will not only advance my world view but to contribute as well!
Where is the love?
12 Maxims: 1. Obey the plain
12 Maxims:
1. Obey the plain language of the U.S. Constitution
2. Per James Madison, for gray areas, consult the ratification debates.
3. For additional help on gray areas, study the Constitutional notes of James Madison, and the lives, words, and deeds of Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, George Washington, and James Monroe.
4. Advocate smaller government.
5. Advocate more economic liberty.
6. Advcate more civil liberties.
7. Oppose the initiation of force, unless authorized by the U.S. Constitution.
8. Read www.lewrockwell.com
9. Read www.prisonplanet.com
10. Read www.dailypaul.com and www.ronpaulforums.com
11. Study Christian Just War theory.
12. Read about the words and deeds of Galileo Galilei
A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for James Madison.
only one needed
Judges must uphold the existing laws and constitution or face criminal prosecution. If judges were to fight against corruption and not profit from it, you wouldn't need new laws and regulations. Judges should not make law, or subjectively administer it.
hahahahahahahahahaha---snort---hahahahahahahaha
*Judges* must uphold the laws or--------------or------------or------------
f-a-c-e c-r-i-m-i-n-a-l p-r-o-s-e-c-u-t-i-o-n.
Do you want to rethink that statement...just maybe?
For cryin' out loud. What planet are you from?
Accountability for Government Hand Out Accounts
Way too many able bodied citizens are on some form of disability... I see them living a rather good life with cable TV, good food, smokes and drink. All the while I work'n my arse off to get by.
To be honest about this... there is a segment of our population who wear their disability check as a badge of honor, with those looking to get on board chirping in as their biggest cheerleaders. When the crash comes down they will be at the bottom of my list of people to assist.... here have some karma tokins.
And... if you get any aide from the government... please pee in this cup ok. Fail the exam and we ban you like Pete Rose.... no more free anything for life.
Ramblin Randy
Ramblin Randy
As John Adams said: “There
As John Adams said:
“There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.”
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"The Truth is not always comfortable, but it is always safe" - H. W. Johnstone
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"Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles" Raphael Semmes
That was a great quote!
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
You only need one
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Not fundamental enough.
For example, income tax is in the Constitution. It wasn't originally but it is now. We need to abolish the 16th amendment.
So I don't think just saying to obey the Constitution is fundamental enough. Liberty has to be the more fundamental value. We need to strive to minimize government, which is the same thing as saying to maximize liberty, including changing the Constitution when necessary to maximize liberty.
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