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In your opinion is it right for Federal law to trump State laws on the issues of alcohol and marijuana regulation?




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No, no

and absolutely not and your sherrif in your town/county should not allow it.

i voted

lol @ 100% no.

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Is is Right? No it is not

Is is Right? No it is not right.

Is it Legal? Yes it is, and it does not violate the Constitution. What people can't seem to get through their head is that the 14th Amendment created a ENTIRELY different Constitution. The States have the Right to create laws for their citizens. But the States no longer have any Citizens, they only have US Citizens that reside within their State. We are US Citizens, and State Residents. Their are NO State Citizens. You're either a US Citizens or your a State National with no Citizenship.
The 14th Amendment created the Federal Right to Govern this new type of Citizens, the US Citizen. As stated in the Constitution, "nor shall any State...deny to any person within its jurisdiction (US Jurisdiction) the EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAWS." The laws pertaining to Drugs are for the protection of ITS (United States) Citzens. Now I dont' agree that they have a right to protect me in such way, but that is the way the courts view it, that they are protecting society from drug abusers. And per the 14th amendment they do have the Legal means to make such law for THEIR Citizens, the Citizens of the United States.

So if you are a US Citizen, you must abide by the US Laws. "Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's", so to speak. If under the Jurisdiction of Ceasar, you must follow Ceasars Laws. "And unto God what is God's". Likewise, if you are a State National with no Citizenship, then you are only under the Jurisdicition of the Natural Law, you must follow God's Laws which are found in the hearts and minds of Men. "No injured party, no crime"

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Nice explanation.

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According to Article 1 section 8

and the 9 & 10 amendments and Jefferson's principles, the US government is the agent of the states. The States are not the agent of the US government. The declaration of independence and the confederacy documents state its the right of the people to dissolve and re-establish a new government.

The 14th Amendment was

The 14th Amendment was written long after Jefferson. And it took away States Rights.

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IMO NO you are born in a sovernign state unless

your born in a US territory. the 14th does not abolish or change the 9th and 10th amendment. Also in amendment 14 section 3 and 5 state ..."the united states or any state" so it is showing there is a distinction between the the states and the United States. In section one it states a citizen is also subject to the state in which he resides

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OK brings us right back to ART 1 section 8

which list The ONLY powers of the US congress.
IMO

The Congress has the

The Congress has the EXCLUSIVE right to Legislate for the District of Columbia, which IS the United States, per Incorporation. This is why we are RESIDENTS of the State we live in, because we are RESIDING outside of our country of Citizenship, which is the United States, which is a 10 sqaure mile area also known as the District of Columbia.

The District of Columbia was incorporated as "The United States" after the Civil War. If you are under the Jurisdicition of the United States, then you are a United States Citizen. And Congress has the power to legislate for the United States (District of Columbia) WITHOUT the restrictions of the Constitution. The Constitution is worded to apply ONLY to the Several States, not DC, as DC is not a State.

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Yes, a state resident is

Yes, a state resident is subject to the State Laws AND the US Laws, but US laws are Superior to State Laws.

14th Sec 1
"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

These statements create that US Laws are superior to State Laws, as they pertain to ITS (United States) Citizens. And there are only US Citizens.

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States", "nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws"

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JMHO but no one has the right

to tell me whether I can smoke pot. I have done, I don't lately, but whose business is it anyway if people want to spend an afternoon sharing ideas and eating ice cream. It grows nicely here and it doesn't hurt anyone. I once had police bushwhack for an entire evening to get to my secluded place only to find that, no, I wasn't growing pot, just a bunch of organic veges. It was kind of funny and stupid because the dogs were onto them hours before they got there. Bark bark bark bark bark....

If people are stoned they should be sent home from work. School kids should leave it alone as it isn't good for your lungs and creates these life long habits of being a dreamer and never getting much done.

In BC we have serious gang wars now and lots of gangland style murders so far this year over the marijuana trade. It is the worst its ever been.
What stupidity just so the governing class can hang on to control over the people's choices.

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But the States don't have

But the States don't have any citizens, all Citizens within the United States are United States Citizens, and a Resident of whatever state you are currently living within.

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Not No!

But Hell NO!!

No

Federal law should never have to trump state law, because there shouldn't be any federal laws except the powers explicitly written into the constitution.

The only things that should be nationally universal are the common defense, a common currency, and general contract and civil law enforcement. Little else is required that couldn't be done more efficiently and fairly in state governments.

This is the truly great thing about a republic.

You can have one state that prohibits alcohol, drugs, prostitution, and abortion in the same union as a state which allows any and all of the above.

You can have a state with universal health care and a 20% value added tax in the same union with a state with no taxes and limited services.

We can all get our way, we can bypass the arguments into health care, drugs, welfare, abortion, alcohol...our movement should have a universal opinion on these topics...they should be issues of the states.

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Well stated.

The only problem is the snakes have infiltrated the states as well as many cities and towns. We're surrounded!

Undo what Wilson did

That's why we fight

Once we get this government of ours under control, then we can leave the states infested by snakes into ones infected with liberty. That's when we can show them the truly great power of liberty.

Now to get government to respect state rights...

No. 10th amendment.

No. 10th amendment.

No

it's supposed to be the states that decide that issue.. That's why it's called a Constitutional Republic or at least that is what it used to be before Lincoln pushed the union button.

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I know!

That is what I am saying!
Does anyone but me actually try to read what others have already contributed to the conversation before sounding off? Sometimes meaningful conversations can be accomplished in that manner!

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Kevin Tuma

...are you here? This might be a good time for you to just jump right in. There seems to be a distinct lull in the conversation...

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Well, I appreciate that.

But I don't have a lot to say...it's pretty cut-and-dried, in my opinion...90% of what the federal government does goes against the original intent of the Founders, and many of these things directly conflict with the Bill of Rights.

If nothing else, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is an unconstitutional agency. Its existence is a violation of the 2nd, and its regulation of alcohol, tobacco, and explosives is a violation of the Ninth and Tenth Amendments.

The Fedgov has no legitimate authority to regulate alcohol, despite a 200+ year history of doing so. Marijuana should be fully legalized, in my opinion all recreational drugs should be legalized.

A lot of times I'm just of the opinion that we should cut to the chase and start seceding states from the so-called Union. I feel that way today.

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Are you the Kevin Tuma

that was, just yesterday, trying to get some kind of organization going in this movement?

and this question for anyone else:

It's good to discuss and debate different issues, but when we find one that we can all agree on, wouldn't that be a great addition to a list of maxims? Who shall lead us into organization and then action? Or will we just continue to have conversation alone?

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Yes, I was trying.

Until the conversation was derailed by an obsessive personal attack thread.

We need a platform. If we can't agree on anything else, I feel we should at least try to achieve solidarity on the issues.

If you are interested in continuing that thread, feel free to contribute to it. I was mostly asking other peoples' opinions.

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Yes,

what (S)he said!

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Alcohol and Cannabis?

Nooo They ask MARIJUANA a nasty slang term employed by the yellow journalist Hearst, who used it to insult wounded Mexican troops which had it in their medicine bags.. MARIJUANA means Mary Jane means women's medicine means PUSSY to the Mexicans, but it meant BAD EVIL FOREIGN DRUG to Americans who KNEW by constitution, flag, land and heart what cannabis was for medicine, food, fuel, fiber,. and feed, and with today's technolgy much much more, but Cannabis has enemires. Cannabis enemies call cannabis a nasty slang word, MARIJUANA, and I don't trust anyone or any organization that employs that word. That word should be taken to task in t\our courts: BRING ON MARC EMERY!!! Bring it on... Tell the DEA at our courts you sold HEMP seed for hundreds of dollars because CANADA says cannabis is two plants (they don't use that nasty word marijuana except around nasty Americans) Hemp grows in Canada, but not in the USA. Medicainal cannabis is legal where I live, Mendocino County CA, but I can not grow a hemp seed for food, fiber, fuel, or BEER. Since when was beer a friend to cannabis? LOL Well, the word MARIJUANA says it all.

Here in CA we have Proposition 215 Medical Marijuana, passed in 1996 56% of the vote. Since 1996, the MAJORITY of patriots who worked on Proposition 215 have done 10 year mandetory minimums and /or died, and some died in prison. Some escaped to Canada, who fails to find anything wrong, like cancer, in American Cannabis activists. So they're back in the USA and they went to prison. and we have more people going to prison now than ever because people think they can come here and grow MARIJUANA. And they do. And if they don't do everything exactly right... or maybe even if they do... It's all a chance you're taking whether you're Mexican mafia growing tons of MARIJUANA in the Sierra, or muling it over the border, or growing it indoors, that you just don't get with BEER. BEER and MARIJUANA Least we forget Tommy Ching

Ok

It's all good! I think most of us are in agreement on this issue, so we should be able to discuss it calmly and rationally. My idea for positive and affirmative action is to begin an organizational process within the movement, as Kevin Tuma suggested. What do you think about making a list of maxims, with this issue as one of the platforms?

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How about this?

"The federal government possesses no legitimate right to regulate, or tax, alcohol, tobacco or drugs."

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I absolutely agree

the states should each make their own call on this issue, as the Constitution infers is their power. I think this issue is an excellent example of a maxim which could be included in the movement's organizational process, as was proposed by Kevin Tuma.

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Unless Constitutional

Unless Constitutional authorization exists, no. It is not right for Federal Law to trump State Laws on ANY ISSUES unless the Federal government is Constitutionally authorized to do so. That is the way our Constitution is written and the way our government is supposed to work.

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