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My conspiracy theory on the collapsing economy.

I don't believe it's about a "prison planet" or empire. There may be a new war in our future, since Obama is being painted as the 'new FDR', but I don't think that's the big goal.

I also don't believe it's about robber baronism and the Rich eating each other. That's definitely happening, but it's a sidebar to everything else.

I do think a global banking empire may be pushed---but, again, I think that it's a sideline plan being floated, not the real goal.

If this is really an engineered crisis, in my opinion, the real goal is for the filthy rich to become astronomically, exponentially rich.

Hyperinflation favors the people with a lot of money, depending upon their investments.

You see, the very rich will not have trouble getting by. They have hardened investments and extra money to invest in new things. Like land. Like devalued real estate and homes in the aftermath of a bubble pop. They can afford to buy more. Especially if they know how the cards will fall on the table, in advance.

If you have debts or mortgages, and hyperinflation devalues the currency, it will simultaneously devalue the debts, unless you have something foolish like a balloon-head mortgage. As long as you can pay the debts, in a hyperinflationary crisis, you can win big.

Bear in mind, also, that one of their primary 'solutions' to our economic woes have been to lower interest rates to ridiculous levels. This favors investing in mortgages.

Imagine if you will, that in the past year, the elites have been buying a lot of real estate after the bubble pop. On mortgages and credit.

Suddenly, paper money that's needed to finance deficit spending and bailouts floods the economy. Suppose the economy "recovers", but with a huge massive spike in the rate of inflation. Perhaps, let's say, as much as 500% by the time a real recovery occurs, and gold-backed currency is reinstated.

The real estate investors will have made a fortune.

Imagine it just using your own level of budget, as a member of the middle class:

Suppose you bought a five-bedroom suburban repo home for $75,000. It's already a bargain, because it's distressed real estate. You'll make 30-year mortgage payments with a final payment on it of, after miscellaneous costs...around $600 per month.

Let's say we go through a three year period of turmoil caused by the Fed's Zimbabwe-style hyperinflation, and at the end of the cycle, they finally stabilize the currency with gold, so the inflation they generated does not spin completely out of control.

After the hyperinflation wave ends:

-- A can of Campbell's vegetable soup costs $7.

- A 'Jumbo Jack with cheese' value meal costs $12.

- a loaf of wheat bread costs $13.

- a gallon of milk costs $18.

- A steak dinner for two at a suburban restaurant costs $350.

- A Smith and Wesson revolver costs $3500.

- A new pickup truck, with no fancy extras, costs $120,000.

- A new five-bedroom suburban home costs $900,000.

But you just bought a new five bedroom home a couple of years ago for $75,000.

You can sell it, or you can rent it to tenants. Either way, you have achieved massive profits.

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Now imagine that you are a billionaire, and you bought thousands of such homes in trendy areas, along with Florida beachfront property, hundreds of collapsing apartment buildings, hotels, restaurants, and dead retail malls.

On each of them, the combination of 500% inflation PLUS a collapsing real estate bubble has caused each property to rebound to a minimum of ten to twelve times its original value. In just a few years.

That's if the hyperinflationary wave stops at 500%...I just pulled that number out of the air.



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The Virtual Conspiracy

If you have not already, you might want to read my post on "The Virtual Conspiracy".

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/57079

It might help to explain why there is such confusion about who "They" are, what Their goals are, and why it is so darn difficult to expose Them.

And by the way, becoming obscenely wealthy is certainly one of Their goals.
But, if we let them will they finally leave us alone?
Don't count on it.

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The Virtual Conspiracy

OK,

Let's move your example to Zimbabwe for a test. You bought the distressed hut for 500 Zimbabwean dollars six years ago and today it is worth 500 zillion Zimbabwean dollars. Has your wealth gone up a zillion-fold? I say it depends on what its sale price today would buy in other goods versus the same deal six years ago. If it's the same ham sandwich, then there was no gain.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

what if...

it is technology that is driving the collapse?
the internet and computers have certainly impacted the newspaper, music, printing and accounting industries. among others. sorta like what happened to farming?
twice the output, 1/2 the people? [or less]
what if oil and natural gas really are abiotic? what if HHO [browns gas] can be used to effectively store sunlight and wind energy? this knowledge would not have to be widespread to drive down prices....
as far as I can tell, the movie "ring of power" makes the best case for a conspiracy theory.
the premise bieng that we are still ruled by the kings and queens of yesteryear. they figured out that man can be controlled by religion and money back in egyptian times.
the film postulates that the 3 most popular religions were fabricated for this purpose.
it DOES NOT require a lot of people to cooperate for a conspiracy to work, it just requires willing cooperation by the unwary.

" the important thing is to never stop questioning, curiousity, has it's own reason for existing..
Albert Einstien

Doubtful

--"If this is really an engineered crisis, in my opinion, the real goal is for the filthy rich to become astronomically, exponentially rich."

There is a big hole in your theory, Kevin. A conspiracy requires a manageable number of people. For example, there are only about six central banks controlling the Federal Reserve, so it is within their power to enact a new currency or whatever their goal is.

But for you to say "Rich people are in a conspiracy to get richer"... well, that's not remotely believable. Where is this rich person's club and where can I join? There are rich people all over the US and all over the globe for that matter. The compete with each other as a rule, and most of them don't even know each other in any meaningful way. For them to have a conspiracy would require thousands of people, somehow remaining covert the whole time.

While it may be true that rich people CAN benefit from this collapse, it certainly isn't a conspiracy to make this happen for the benefit of all rich people. You're just regurgitating the typical leftist paradigms. It's also worth noting that rich people CAN (make that did) lose huge from this collapse.

No, any conspiracies are taking place in the Fed, in the CFR, etc... There is no class warfare conspiracy for the rich to squeeze blood from the poor. The rich generally make their own wealth by being productive, not by taking from someone else, and this is especially effective in free markets.

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I'm doubtful as well

I see no evidence to suggest a conspiracy. Rather I think it's quite clear what caused the crisis. The ideologies of statism and Keynesianism. No evil required.

I agree with this. The only

I agree with this. The only semi-evidence is that free marketer Alan Greenspan was right in the middle of this nonsense, but it'll take more than that to make a strong case.

Ventura 2012

Oh yes,

there's no doubt (in my mind) that Greenspan caused this.
However, to say that he did so purposely and out of an evil intent is quite another thing...

Obviously. What I meant was

Obviously. What I meant was that Alan Greenspan did know better, so its possible that he had malicious intent but I would need a bit more evidence.

Ventura 2012

Solid Goldmembers Of The Club

… ( hence the name) and, you’re right … we’re not in it. But check the guest list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8yTYIDN9Sc&feature=related

Dig a little deeper. Next time you pull an opinion out, try yanking it out of a RABBIT hole instead … And I don’t suggest going in over your head …That way one’s view won’t be less profound then one’s grasp. ;-)

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/55223#comment-793043

Sounds like a good time

..for a home loan or two!

Hanging Onto The Cliff

It looks as though we're looking over the edge of the cliff. The bailout and TARP money payout's are picking up momentum and the stories of impropriety by TARP money recipients is growing. Does the public notice?

Those that follow alternative news articles from blog writers know where the economy is headed, but do any of us really know how this will look in the end? It seems that the only real protection from calamity is to own gold and other precious metals. The following article will give you a good idea of what we're really dealing with.... www.goldnewswire.net/gold-is-money#gold

http://www.bearmarketinvestments.com/#bear%20market

I've always thought

that the goal is to eliminate the middle class leaving only the filthy rich and poor.
Just the elites and the slaves who cut their grass and shine their shoes.

"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"

"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"

"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"

Oh for the good old days....

When all we had to worry about was human greed, ignorance, and stupidity.
Today we have all that AND an international global fascist Conspiracy.

Any concentration of wealth as obscene as you envision would necessitate a New World Order to sustain itself. You cannot divorce the political from the economic.

You cannot have a FREE, ARMED, and INFORMED citizenry and sustain an economic system as inequitable as you have described.

And THEY know it.

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The Truth Of Wedge

… depends upon malleable subjects.

Force is a conspicuous manifestation; but, like professional wrestling, it is mostly theatrical. The issue is what is going on behind the stage.

The ‘real’ ID always involves designs to defeat intelligence by exploiting gullibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

Undermining independence, harmony and critical thinking has always been the expedient path to control.
For example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_I_of_England_and_religiou...

[ To appreciate that it is not about fundamental philosophical differences, examine the ironic twist that it was Francis Bacon, the father of scientific method, and focus of conspiracies and corruptions in the hallways of power, who touted the cunning maxim of "separa et impera".]

It is a virtual certainty the reality is about power sustained by cultivating ignorance.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/84218#comment-916585

"From the moment when the machine first made its appearance it was clear to all thinking people that the need for human drudgery, and therefore to a great extent for human inequality, had disappeared. If the machine were used deliberately for that end, hunger, overwork, dirt, illiteracy and disease could be eliminated within a few generations. ... But it was also clear that an all-round increase in wealth threatened the destruction - indeed, in some sense was the destruction - of a hierarchical society. ... the most obvious and perhaps the most important form of inequality would already have disappeared. If it once became general, wealth would confer no distinction. ... But in practice such a society could not long remain stable. For if leisure and security were enjoyed by all alike, the great mass of human beings who are normally stupefied by poverty would become literate and would learn to think for themselves; and when once they had done this, they would sooner or later realise that the privileged minority had no function, and they would sweep it away. In the long run, a hierarchical society was only possible on a basis of poverty and ignorance. ... Ignorance is Strength"

--- Orwell 1984

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/84096#comment-916535

pretty brave prediction

Just consider for a moment what this "Nation" WAS founded upon truly...A complete Holocaust of the Native Owners and Colonization using the "DREAM" as bait.And you all wonder why and who?
Let's not be so arrogant as to believe these folks(grasshoppers) can stop the sun from rising tomorrow and keep the air from our lungs.
We must learn to do for ourselves again.Grow food,let it not be something we only do for fun?Get your hands dirty again,be your own immigrant worker.People need to cut off the things that control their lives to a point of hardship or oppression.Most of our problems are self imposed.No one(grasshoppers) made us (ants) sign for all that debt,but here we are now.
Remembering life in the early eighties..We are still living very well compared to then I think. Americans need to hang up the coffe shops,golf courses, monster trucks and hot rods and Harley's for a while and start focusing on industry and farming again.
If ya grow a row of potatoes and carrots who gets a cut of it?Doing for self cuts out all the middle men.
And one last thing...We need to stay positive in the face of adversity or who is winning?And shall we be so easily defeated,with money?
Hyperinflation only works if people (ants) keep buying.
Lord help Ron Paul.

No retirement for you!

The main problem, any economist will tell you, is that the Boomers are retiring, and they are many in number. Too many.

By flushing all their 401k's, IRA's and pensions down 50% or more, they will have to work longer, probably until they drop.

Promises were made, and now they are being broken. I've seen this over and over, makes you wonder why anybody trusts the government or wall street.

That doesn't make sense

Boomers are called boomers because the population boom which the boomers were forced to pay into social security, which has uped the age limit as boomers age, and boomers are not living as long as their parents, however this is the generation that made social security fat! For 5 decades boomers have paid into a system, that was corrupted as soon as social security began paying for programs for people who never paid into social security.

If the Democrats really believe social security is a good thing, Obama will made social security good for the boomers coming into their due checks.

I hope Obama makes Social Security a good for boomers and their children, who can perhaps work to make social security a opt in plan.

And why do they want

to become obscenely rich? So they have control over all the resources. The end goal is a world banking system, a world government and a world army that keeps the slaves in line so the priviledged few can use and abuse them for their own amusement.

LOL.

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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul

We here at the DP have acknowledged that this group of

individuals own the debt of the US and obtained control of this debt through fraud with the FED as their primary tool.

http://land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/federal_reserve.shtml

We also know through the election process that the media is controlled.

We have learned that Prescott Bush won the senate seat in CT after pleading guilty to multiple counts of "aiding the enemy" through his banking interests with Hitler's Germany.

This confirms media and government control from at least the 1920's to today.

A crisis of any kind is USED to get to the final goal. Wars and crises are engineered and today's crisis is no different.

The rich already have ALL the money. The already OWN all of the central banks. They don't need any money...they simply NEED to control the money to have sway over economic conditions and the humans who live in said conditions.

This last 12 months had yielded the nationalization of the auto industry.

The nationalization of the financial industry.

And the increase of the federal government's contribution to US GDP to over 40%. This number was about 5% in 1900.

If you own a man's debt you own the man...you have power over him.

Europe is on the verge of being one nation. NAU is underway.

Getting a trend here?

Oh wait...I'm crazy....move long, please...look at another post...hey? watch some TV...that'll be good....yea Rupert Murdoch at Fox he's fair and balanced...sure, let's watch his stuff.

Unify

No conspiracy.

It's simply every man for himself trying to get a piece of the pie, and as big of a piece as he can, any way he can. What looks like a conspiracy is simply "the war of all against all."

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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul

Please

You are either really young or a Gov't Psy ops troll go here www.pgorg.com/index.net

Cows think they are free, this is no bull, the beast must be Fed, with pitchfork instead

Cows think they are free, this is no bull, the beast must be Fed, with pitchfork instead

Please

Don't flatter me.

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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul

This is why we have for so long...

preached about physically owning PMs.

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It's all about

total control of the masses by an elite group of megalomaniacs.

We are being herded toward a one world currency, which will lead to a cashless society via chipping.

Once the majority of the world's population is chipped these elites will have the control they have sought for centuries. They will know what you buy what you sell...where you are every moment. You will be enslaved for your entire life from the cradle to the grave.

It may take ten, twenty, thirty years, but that's the goal in my humble opinion. The longer it takes the less it will be noticed...like "Boiling the Frog."

They are creating the problem, now all they have to do is sit back and wait...the people will clamor for a solution.

And that solution will be what they intended all along...chipping and a cashless society.

Everything else is just smoke and mirrors.

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Don't bet on it! We have had

Don't bet on it! We have had a one world currency since 1971, its called fiat money and the only differences between them is the faces on the slips of paper they call money. The system is crashing and it is impossible to build another monetary system on top of a collapsed fiat system. That is why all fiat monetary systems must be introduced through a sound money system, without sound money the fiat system has absolutely no foundation on which to stand. Once the fiat monetary system completely erodes the economic substructure no other system but a sound monetary system can restore economic viability.

The elite are boobs who believe in themselves and we give them far more credit then they deserve. Their plans will come to naught as the life-blood of their power and wealth crumbles in their hands.

If this is an elite plan, then they are consuming their own. Some of the very founding institutions of the Federal Reserve have gone belly-up, such as Lehman Bros. Additionally, the ones that are losing the most at the moment are financial institutions which are about to go under are commercial and investor in nature, they don't deal with public deposits, their clients are the elite. The system is coming down around their ears and they still think they can breath life back into it. The debt-standard of fiat money is collapsing and nothing in the world can save it or replace it.....except for gold and gold will deny the powerful their power. That's why they worked so hard to get rid of gold money.

http://www.1776solution.blogspot.com

“There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.”-Adams

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"We are not a nation, but a union, a confederacy of equal and sovereign States" John C. Calhoun

. . . just saying thanks Republicae.

You are a worthy opponent on the Daily Paul with your brilliant rebuttles and courtesy in making complicated stuff easier to understand.

And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”

Do you really

think they have lost anything?

Someone or some group of someones are making a fortune out of this crisis. All you have to do is watch the markets with their wide swings.

These people have more money than God, they haven't lost it. They are making more of it.

Now some of the minions who work for for them probably have lost big time, But not the elites, they cause the chaos and only participate in it to make money not lose it.

Losing it is left to the peons.