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Ron Paul Takes 3rd Place and 13% in Official CPAC Straw Poll!
Submitted by aVoiceof Reason. on Sat, 02/28/2009 - 17:34
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The difference between straw polls and scientific polls.
A straw poll is, and does no purport to be, a measure of the preference for a candidate among the overall population. This is because straw polls are polls that you must GO TO to answer. A scientific poll on the other hand, comes TO YOU. A straw poll, in effect, merely measures which candidate's supporters are the most eager to travel to go to the straw poll. That's all it measures.
For a poll to be scientific, and therefore a much more accurate reflection of the opinions of the overall population, it can't be restricted to only polling those who travel to straw polls. You have to also poll people that have no interest in seeking polls to answer. You have to go TO THEM with the poll.
This is why though Dr. Paul won most of the straw polls during last election, it didn't translate to winning the most votes in the election. Likewise, the fact that Dr. Paul placed 3rd in this poll is equally meaningless in that respect. All it measures is how many Paul supporters went to CPAC in order answer the poll. Lack of knowledge of this principle is why many Paul supporters were confused as to why Dr. Paul was losing primaries while winning straw polls.
No one knowledgeable in statistics sees straw polls as a measure of overall population preference.
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No shit sherlock. This
No shit sherlock. This particular straw poll is a good measure of what diehards in DC believe, however.
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PLEASE
GO AWAY.
Knowledge hurts
doesn't it?
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Never trust a woman that has no waist.
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
No, actually not
I just want you to go away.
Well, it's not going to happen.
Welcome to my world.
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Never trust a woman that has no waist.
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
Hey were you there
volunteering to make that percentage better?
Didn't think so..
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What's the point?
As I said, straw polls are meaningless.
I never participated in any of them in the last election cycle (except the ones on the internet, to get Dr. Paul's name out). Instead I was out campaigning among the common people.
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
Well I was
campaigning in the heart of the Republican Party. Straw polls show strength and that is not meaningless.
Your negative attitude toward this is annoying.
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How is explaining the difference between
a straw poll and scientific poll a negative attitude?
I was both trying to inform the unknowededgable who were disillusioned during the election cycle and trying to help those feel better who were upset that Dr. Paul was only 3rd in this poll. A 3rd or 1st place in a straw poll is not indicative of the level of support in the overall population. You can't extrapolate from a straw poll. It doesn't mean Romney is ahead in the overall population anymore than it means Dr. Paul is 3rd among the population.
It's negativity only in your own mind. It's just reality.
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
It's not
but the way you're approaching it is.
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"trying to inform the unknowededgable"
What is an " unknowededgable" ?
Is that like an Elmer Fudd impression?
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LOL
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Never trust a woman that has no waist.
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
I simply
don't believe these stupid polls. But everyone else does and that is the problem. Our country is led around by the nose by these stupid polls.
What do you mean you don't believe it?
There's no reason to think it's not an accurate poll. Are you saying there was fraud?
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
Flame
I hate to be the one to break it to ya, but, there IS no Santa Clause.
Also, the world is round....
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What do you mean?
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
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"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
Good thought : )
Thanks for that, you are probably right. Maybe it's completely off base and people ARE waking up. It's not as though the pollsters would want us to know that.
That's depressing!
At this point you would think enough Republicans would know better that to support two more CFR candidates. If Ron Paul can't beat those two losers now, when will the ideals of liberty ever be embraced?
Just say no to Palin!
Palin is so polarizing. You put her on any ticket and it's a loser. She comes off as ignorant to moderates and independents(and to me).
Ronulans need to make inroads with the independents and moderates. Ron Paul's message will appeal to independents because it emphasizes state's rights, less government and non warmongering. Social conservatives seem to be one issue voters and abortion and gay marriage are the issues that trump everything else i.e. they are narrow and believe the federal government should be used to deal with these issues instead of leaving them up to the states(sounds a bit like the neo liberals). It seems to me the GOP is more interested in picking someone who they think will win instead of focusing on the message. They don't understand that if the message is right they will come in one their own. Ron Paul's message of liberty already reasonates with libertarians and anarchists. Eventually we will need the anarchists and their bombs when the big push to one world government begins. Did anyone read about the UK's prime minister Gordon Brown's wooing of Obama for a "global New Deal"? The first step is for these commies to concentrate the control of the "wealth" (or the illusion of "wealth")and the power in the hands of the state. From there it will be easier and quicker to transition to a one world government.
"Men are ruled, at this minute, by the clock, by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern."
-G.K. Chesterton
"Men are ruled, at this minute, by the clock, by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern."
-G.K. Chesterton
I know there's a lot of anti-Palin sentiment
out there, but I don't know why that should be among conservatives. At least she walks the walk and isn't a hypocrite. I, for one, would vote her. As far as I can see the so-called "smart" people are a whole lot worse as human beings and also less effective in office. And I challenge anyone to show me how Obama or McCain have demonstrated any intellectual superiority over Palin. I think she just doesn't have time to waste pretending she's smarter than everyone else. She just goes ahead and does the right thing. Not a bad policy IMO.
Ron Paul ties with Sarah Palin?
What is that about? What is the Republican obsession with that woman? She was a cynical trophy pick by McCain. She doesn't hold a candle to Ron Paul. I agree with the other poster who said if Republicans don't get it by now they never will.
"Men are ruled, at this minute, by the clock, by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern."
-G.K. Chesterton
"Men are ruled, at this minute, by the clock, by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern."
-G.K. Chesterton
I must have passed out
1000 C4L fliers.. We had that place canvased.. Conservatives were commenting on how well we put forth the message.. =]
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what did the fliers say?
what did the fliers say?
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They were the C4L
Promotional slim jims to show what the Campaign for Liberty was about, and also the Freedom speech fliers Ron gave Friday evening in the Hampton Ball room.
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ok cool, thanks.
ok cool, thanks.
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their was 140 C4L
Volunteers hailing from every region of the US.. we had an awesome showing for Ron Paul and the Liberty Movement at the CPAC!
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Yeah man, I'm a UMD student
Yeah man, I'm a UMD student so I always try to make events in DC. I had registered for it a long time in advance but was too sick to go. Wish I could have!
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First they ignore you, then
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. (Mahatma Gandhi)
Wouldn't it be better to
Wouldn't it be better to describe Ron Paul supporters as " Traditional Americans"? There are some libertarian slants,but there are other characteristics that are unique to RPers it seems.
Conservatives as presently represented have some ideals that do not necessarily match those of RP or his followers-you could tell by some of the stupid booing of Ron Paul by a few at cpac.The neocon ideals and some others the conservatives often support are contrary to RP ideals- which are based on constitutional principals,individual liberty,constitutional government, sound money, free markets, and a noninterventionist foreign policy. etc.Maybe there needs to be a Traditional Americans Union and a TAPAC event.