***HELP!!! IRS Troubles***
I have been trying to get this onto the Lost Horizons forum, but Pete has thus far not responded to my request to reactivate my account. As there may be some common membership here, I'll give the DP a try.
About two years ago, I acquired and read Cracking the Code. A few months later, I filed an amended return for 2006 claiming the remainder of my withheld earnings. Consistent with the scare tactics Pete warned about, I received a letter (the following February) claiming that my return was "frivolous" and demanding that I refile within 30 days or suffer a $5000 fine. I wrote back requesting an explanation of what was wrong with my return and a timely response. I have to this day received no explanation, just more uninformative threatening letters.
In the meantime, I have filed for 2007 claiming all of my earnings that were withheld. There has been no response, other than a "request for additional infomation" which was obviously trying to get me to send in the (incorrect) W-2.
Now, here we are in February again, and the IRS has sent me a letter threatening to seize my property and place a lien on my home if I don't call within ten days and make arrangements to pay the penalty.
So, now what? I know what the laws are, and that they are on my side, but I don't see that doing much good at this point. Is the state of Iowa (a large beneficiary of federal corruption) going to protect me from a lien on my house? Is the company for which I work (an indirect beneficiary of federal corruption) going to protect my paycheck from garnishing? Is my credit union going to protect what little money I have from seizure? I have my doubts about all of them.
Should I make a deal with the devil, hoping they will reduce the fine? Doing so would certainly impact my ability to claim full refunds in the future, not to mention the pending 2007 return.
Should I hold out and hope that justice will prevail? I would risk having my few assets seized. It should be noted that I have a wife and four young children.
I hate to make any compromises on the principles of liberty, but it seems to me that I would be better off with the portion of my property the government sees fit for me to keep than for them to take everything. Of course, that's what they want their good sheep to think.
Using a Zipcode Also implies you are in a federal area
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/zip_code.htm
The reason most people think
The reason most people think "the govt can do whatever they want" is because so many people are fighting for their rights, the WRONG way.
Even my dad, who has been against big govt. for ever, tells me all the time, "you cant fight city hall"
he cites all of his buddies who have spent a night in jail for driving without a license, or had their car impounded for no registration, or paid fines for fighting the IRS.
The difference is, the average "patriot" knows he isnt required to do these things, but does not inform themselves of the LAWS, and instead, just states that "A drivers license is unconstitutional" or "the 16th amendment was never ratified, so I dont owe any tax" so they dont renew their license, or they ignore the IRS,
When really what every patriot should do, is, understand that the law and definitions have been twisted in such a way that all of us DO owe income tax, and we ARE required to have a drivers license, and we ARE required to register our cars, because of our OWN actions.
For example, EVERY person on the DAILY PAUL has at one time, signed govt documents stating that they were a "citizen", without knowing the definition of citizen, so no wonder the IRS and other govt. entities think you are a citizen, and liable for income tax.
see:
http://famguardian.org/Subjects/LawAndGovt/Citizenship/WhyAN...
also, most of the people on the DAILY PAUL are federally privileged in some way, again, if you are federally privileged, you are not Sovereign!
ex. the U.S. Post office is required to deliver mail from post office to post office, NOT to your door! The fact that mail is delivered to your door goes above and beyond what the post office is required to do.
the use of a zip code classifies you as something you are not.
see:
http://igps.org/liveround/patriot/zipcode.html
all of these things, with dozens of others, begins to "confirm" that you are something you are not, and that you live somewhere you dont, and that you gave up some of your rights. remember D.C. has limited constitutional rights, once you are believed to be domiciled in D.C., you lose your rights.
THE GOVT. IS NOT breaking the law, you just DONT know the law, and ESPECIALLY the Definitions in those laws.
see:
http://www.sedm.org/Forms/MemLaw/TradeOrBusScam.pdf
Try This
Become more self-sufficient and try to live with less money.
Reject materialism and the spoils of a war economy.
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Sham I Am,
Read this regarding Cracking the Code: http://teamlawproductions.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=74
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In 2005, President Bush’s Advisory Panel on Federal Tax Reform found that more than 120 million Americans (40% of the U.S. population) pay absolutely no federal income tax at all. At least 39 million earned well above the exemption amount, filed tax returns which were accepted and processed by the IRS and still owed ZERO ($0.00) tax. Despite intense Government efforts to indoctrinate entire generations of Americans to the contrary; the undeniable truth is [that] not everyone is required to pay federal income tax. Fact is Congress has never mandated apportionment of the income tax.
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May our efforts in support of Ron Paul's Campaign For Liberty be blessed with supernatural productivity and success!
Keep in mind, YOU ARE
Keep in mind, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR CORRECTING ERRONEOUS INFORMATION!!. You need to stop the presumptions...(whenever someone presumes something about you it is always in their best interest)
The IRS presumes a lot of things. They presume you owe tax, are a citizen, are a federal employee, have income, they presume that the w-2 or the 1099 they receive is NOT in error, and in fact they presume it is 100% correct.
My point, is that it is in YOUR best interest to correct their presumptions by filing a return, BUT NOT ONE OF THEIR RETURNS. This return will declare that you made no income as defined.
"(the obligation to file a tax return stems from 26 U.S.C. 7203, not from any agency's demand... 7203 requires a "return" but does not define that word or require anyone to use Form 1040, or any "official" form at all.") (7th Circuit Court Of Appeals, United States v. Partridge, (2007)
I use a W-0 which I have successfully used,
http://sedm1.org/Forms/Tax/Withholding/w0.pdf
Then you got lucky.
Filing a return is only something that "taxpayers" (a special legal term) do.
FILING is what makes you liable. (since you probably are NOT liable by the law, you VOLUNTEER to be by filing)
The tax DOES apply to Non-Resident Aliens. I wouldn't be revoking my birt right citizenship any time soon.
filing a return is something
filing a return is something that only "taxpayers" are "required" to do, anyone "CAN" file,
filing on "one of the IRS forms" "admits" liability
also, only NON RESIDENT aliens engaged in "trade or business" are "taxpayers",
see trade or business here:
http://www.sedm.org/Forms/MemLaw/TradeOrBusScam.pdf
finally, you need to read this, if you think you are a citizen!!!
you are a non-resident alien, national, unless you were born, or live in D.C.
IMPORTANT!!!
http://famguardian.org/Subjects/LawAndGovt/Citizenship/WhyAN...
Why It Matters
I have followed the Tax Honesty movement for around 10 years. Peter Hendrickson is by far the most knowledgeable one I have come across. Funny someone mentioned Dave Champion. I have also listen to his shows for years. He has morphed his ways to incorporated much of Peter's work after Peter's successes really took off. Dave Champion is selling his service. Good luck if you take that route.
Anyway, keep up the battle, here is something to remember:
http://www.losthorizons.com/comment/archives/WhyItMatters.pdf
I've listened to ALL of Champions shows as they are all on the
net archived. He has been remarkably consistent in his approach and analysis since he began the show in 2003. And he clearly explains WHY Pete's approach is doomed to backfire. He does agree with Pete on about 99% of his book, it's just the remedy where they part company.
And while he does offer consulting and legal services for a fee, his explanation of his positions are available for free on his informational site originalintent.org as are his archived radio shows on americanradioshow.us and davechampionshow.com.
If you have problems, he isn't going to ignore you like Pete, btw.
Try This.....
Go back to Pete's book and look at page 12...The origin of the Income tax.
Read "exactly" who is responsible for taxes on their income.
The Revenue Act of 1862, Section 86. has never changed.
Why do you think all the people on Pete's site got refunds?
Why would the IRS send people in excess of 100k in refunds if they didn't know what they were doing?
You think they are just trying to set people up?
You are the one that has to stand on your own 2 feet and understand the code and what it means or doesn't mean. Your call for "others to help you" shows the reason you don't get the IRS out of your life. Stand up and be a man like your life depended on it...IT DOES!!!!!
Your very name on here makes me wonder if you are just a stooge to stir things up.
crazyrustyforpresident
crazyrustyforpresident
my user name
is a play on my family name and a dr. suess character who tries to get somebody else to open his eyes.
i posted here because i am seeking practical advice. i know what my rights are. i know what the laws are. unfortunately, i am dealing with an adversary that doesn't care what my rights and the laws are, and there is a limit to how much abuse i can practically tolerate.
i am most grateful for the responses that share others' experiences in a similar situation.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe that they are free. -Goethe
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe that they are free. -Goethe
Im not assuming you dont,
Im not assuming you dont, but I JUST WANT to make SURE you DO know the law. There are hundreds of anti-tax people out there with opinions etc.
but some fail to cite their source,
for example "the sixteenth amendment was never properly ratified"
although true, the supreme court ruled that it WAS properly ratified, making it stand, until it is overturned.
see;
Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co., 240 U.S. 103 (1916); see also Brushaber v. Union Pac. R. Co., 240 U.S. 1 (1916).
some anti-protest movements claim that this ruling established that the taxing power on income was already established,
these pro tax people cite the constitution:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
but, since the income tax "on citizens of the united States" was declared unconstitutional before the 16th amendment, see;
Pollock v. Farmers’ Loan and Trust Co., 157 U.S. 429 (1894), on reh’g 158 U.S. 601 (1895)
this means the new 16th amendment clarified that congress could collect taxes on "income" from federal employees, or people working in D.C.,
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
income is money earned in D.C. or directly from involvement in D.C.
see:
http://www.sedm.org/Forms/MemLaw/TradeOrBusScam.pdf
This is because D.C. is basically a "constitution free zone"
so to clarify;
the sixteenth amendment basically says 'although we could already collect taxes on money from the fruits of ones labor in Washington D.C., federal territories, and possessions, and as a result of doing business in Washington D.C., we are now clarifying in an amendment that we can do this'
Stay on course
I hope that you stay the course. Remember that you file your 1040 under penalty of perjury. Most of what the IRS will send you will just be threats. If they go beyond that there are penalties under law that they themselves are held accountable to including prison.
Make it easy for yourself.
You're in their sights and they aren't going to go away.
If you want to keep your property.......
Get yourself a real CPA. (not H&R Block).
Don't hide anything from the CPA.
He may be able to make a deal to save what you got.
Best wishes to you.
You've got the right idea in your last paragraph.
If you get a chance, read- The Two Sons of Oil (free on the web) which is a treatise explaining the relationship between civil govt. and Christianity. You might not be religious BUT there's an excellent argument, need the end of the work, for paying a small amount of taxes so that you can keep the larger portion for yourself. Don't misunderstand me- I hate the IRS just like you. But I'm not stupid and I know full well they'll make your life hell.
Read the law at
Read the law at www.famguardian.org and www.sedm.org you dont owe any tax, too many people are assuming they owe tax without reading the laws, and MORE IMPORTANTLY the definitions.
I suggest RS read this
http://www.sedm.org/Forms/MemLaw/TradeOrBusScam.pdf
skip to page 10 and spend an hour or two and read. the people who GET IN TROUBLE with the IRS are the ones who ASSUME they know the law and argue based on their assumptions, or who sign IRS forms under penalty of perjury, even though they have NO IDEA what they signed.
again, YOU are NOT a citizen, because it does NOT mean what you think it means.
YOU are NOT engaged in trade or Business, because it does not mean what you think
I would say you are on target except for the part about
Citizenship.
I know about the whole 14th amendment, federal zone stuff. But that isn't the issue here.
In fact, the tax DOES apply to aliens earning domestic source income, so be careful.
Great Link
JB, Thanks for the link to the liberty site. I have been studing this information for a number of years and to date this seems to be the most inclusive/searchable listing of tax/liberty information I have viewed on one site. I have already recommended it to others....Keep up the good work of sharing and disseminating freedom....
~P~
IRS Troubles
Just in time for tax season. Boo!
"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within" W. Durant
yes
I have noticed a pattern in the timing of their threats.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe that they are free. -Goethe
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe that they are free. -Goethe
Bail out and take care of your wife and kids
What you are doing is completely effing nuts. You're not proving anything to anybody who cares. You're just being a slight pain in the ass to some administrative types at the IRS and giving yourself heartburn. I don't know if you will end up in jail over this, but you will likely end up paying a crapload more in the long run due to penalties, interest, and attorney's fees.
There are much better ways to advance the cause of liberty, but they require that you a) not be in jail; and/or b) have a little bit of disposable income.
MOST IMPORTANT, you have a WIFE AND FOUR YOUNG CHILDREN. Drop this ridiculous-ass, pointless exercise before you lose them over it. Taking care of them should be your first priority, and this dumb stunt jeapordizes your ability to do that.
Here's how you can rationalize giving up this battle so you feel OK about it: you will do MORE GOOD by raising your kids to understand the philosophy of liberty, than you will by becoming some sort of tax martyr.
And here's how you actually get out of it: go to either a tax attorney or an accountant who can help you to amend your returns again to bring them in compliance, and also to get set up on a payment plan for whatever amount you owe. The tax attorney is probably the better route, but the accountant may be cheaper. In any case, if the penalties are egregious they may be able to negotiate those down, but it doesn't sound like they are at this point. As for the payment plan, IIRC the IRS will stretch those out over up to 5 years.
Then, pour your energies into spreading libertarian ideas, getting Ron Paul Republicans elected, making Youtube videos which explain free market concepts, starting a voluntary private charity, etc. You'll do much more good for the movement that way, and you'll be able to sleep at night as well.
Libertarians Rising
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This is what the IRS wants
This is what the IRS wants you to do. You have very little risk of going to jail for taxes.
Think about it...do you personally know anyone who has gone to jail for taxes? NO,
youve heard about willie nelson, wesley snipes, and a HANDFUL of others, who never went to prison by the way...meanwhile there are over 65,000,000 NON FILERS (as of 2004, probably 90,000,000 by now) Do you mean to tell me that EVERY taxpayer has gotten the amount exactly right everytime they filed and did nothing against the wishes of the IRS?
THE IRS is here to scare you into filing a return, meanwhile, filling out a 1040 is against the law if you are not employed by the U.S.Govt!
it is only an attachment form for a 2555 form:
http://citizensfortruthingovernment.org/Microsoft%20Word%20-...
heres what happens when people know the truth:
http://www.givemeliberty.org/rtp2/updates/update2006-06-09.htm
Incorrect.
By accepting the trust known as your social security number you are inadvertently working as a federal employee. If you do the research you will find this easily.
I reserve the right to govern myself.
I reserve the right to govern myself.
So...
When I have "income" from my job as a "federal employee," I'll pay taxes on it. So far, however, I have found that card to be completely unprofitable.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe that they are free. -Goethe
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe that they are free. -Goethe
I agree, if you read my post
I agree, if you read my post below, you will see that I suggest he cancels social security and discontinues using his number. Anything short of that may continue to cause him trouble, my point however with this most recent post is that the IRS is an agency skilled at intimidation.
They will have reports on their web site that mention "frivolous claims" in order to scare people from protesting, yet their handbook says "any information on the IRS web site cannot be considered accurate"
It is the job of the IRS to convince you to volunteer a return. For most Americans, a few scary letters will do the trick
Agreed
the lynch pin is the SSN.
But there is no way to get rid of it, despite what any other website tells you.
The ONLY thing you can do is stop using it and after 5 years the SSA will mark it dormant.
But the second you use it again...
The point isn't that you were issued an SSN, the point is that when asked for a TIN (TAXPAYER Identification Number) you give them one. Thus you are claiming the tax laws apply to you. Don't give them a number if you aren't a taxpayer as defined by the code. That simple.
Well said...
I have a hard time seeing how jumping out in front of the IRS and yelling "nyah nyah" is going to be helpful to anyone. The people saying "don't be a coward" remind me of the schoolyard bullies who egged someone into doing something really stupid. The onus is on them to explain exactly how this kind of thing makes any kind of sense.
Thanks
Thanks for the resources and encouragement. Knowing I'm not alone helps. This whole thing is deepening my understanding of the concept of paying the price of my own slavery.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe that they are free. -Goethe
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe that they are free. -Goethe
this should help with the frivolous claim, which means nothing
sec 5.2
http://sedm.org/Forms/SelfFamilyChurchGovnce/RightToDeclStat...
Read Tommy Cryer
Tommy Cryer is a great resource, read the memorandum and court transcripts from his trial here.
Tom Cryer Memorandum:
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"The law has been used to destroy its own objective: ...The law has placed the collective force at the disposal of the unscrupulous who wish, without risk, to exploit the person, liberty, and property of others. It has converted plunder into a right, in order to protect plunder. And it has converted lawful defense into a crime, in order to punish lawful defense."
The Law by Frederick Bastiat