Glenn Beck: "Libertarian"
Submitted by FreeJesseVentura on Fri, 03/06/2009 - 13:09Well, at least he CLAIMS he's a libertarian... lol
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-foxnews6-200...
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Well, at least he CLAIMS he's a libertarian... lol
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-foxnews6-200...
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Glenn Beck needs to talk about HR 875.
Maybe he could actually help. Since he's a Libertarian, he should be outraged by this.
Like Bob Barr
Appears allot of GOP also belong to thirs parties
WE ARE GOING TO WIN!
I suggest another litmus test....
Let's submit Mr. Beck to the scrutiny of the conspiratorial pathology in these forums.
"Old right" , "classical liberal", "libertarian", fill in the blank- does it really matter what terms are used? Glenn Beck has Dr. Paul on his show frequently, more than many other shows combined. Yeah but he's a "NWO disinformation agent..." Sure, right, yep, uh huh.
The implication is that if an individual does not conform to a libertarian orthodoxy, and that they have not done so since birth, then they are at best, unfit to promote liberty. At worst, they are conspirators in a plot to destroy and divide the liberty movement.
That kind of litmus test certainly excludes me from the inner sanctum of liberty partisans- as it does many if not most here. Let me suggest this- that Mr. Beck is indeed an ally, and that he may be on the journey of intellectual discovery that many here are in the midst of.
Lastly, maybe he will never conform to the orthodox purity that some here would like to enforce. Does that make him an enemy? Does that make him any less of a comrade in the fight for liberty?
A little perspective is in order.
When Glenn
had the two patriots on, Scheuer and some military guy, they both were indicating that if push comes to shove, we'll shove. Glenn was like, "Oh, my, are u suggesting, you don't mean, we'll have a civil war, you aren't thinking this bubba affect is GOOD, times up."
It depends on how he votes
and how he encourages others to vote. If he votes CFR, as he has in the past, he is the enemy no matter what he says.
I agree
Time will tell, just don't let him sucker you in. He was a neocon just a few months ago. Watch out. But I am thankful for what he is saying now.
We may have to wait a bit.
We will know he is a true Libertarian when HE starts giving the Libertarian Litmus Tests....
brave leaders rise from confusion like the bulshavics
CONfuse the masses & you win control.....WE are being defeated by confusion....Confusion breeds discontent..Discontent leads to someone having to taking CHARGE...NWO...
you-no
don't flame me over this but...
Regardless of how really Libertarian Glenn Beck is, he is doing good for our movement right now by giving it some credibility and throwing us a bone.
While I don't trust him 100%, he is doing more good than bad by far. I mean, he is actually bringing up topics like the federal reserve, fema death camps, fiscal and monetary issues.
Having Ron Paul on very often and giving him a fair shake.
I personally don't know what more he could be doing for our movement right now without losing his job over at faux news.
I'll support him and e-mail him when I like what he has done. In fact, he has even e-mailed me back personally thanking me for my support. I think you should all do the same.
I am personally concerned that without our good Dr, our movement would grind to a halt because there isn't anyone else in congress who shares his his passion and true libertarianism (which is should actually called real Republicanism, even Bob Barr voted for the damned patriot act!). Lets face it, he is in his mid 70's and he won't be around forever. If he never gets elected to office he wants others to take the torch and keep going. It's a long, hard and a long-shot fight, but it's the right fight. As long as I have a conscience (most politican's dont) I will keep up the good fight even if it wears me out emotionally, because it is just the right thing to do.
Most of us here are very individualistic and with that comes a real strong personality about issues. We need to support those who have more of our common goals in mind, and never sacrifice liberty. Therefore, I am going to support Glenn Beck and encourage him until he proves otherwise to be an enemy of liberty and the constitution.
Just my $.02
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Glenn Beck gave both RP and Barr more publicity than anyone else
In the election run-up, I didn't see anyone on cable or network news that gave more time to Dr Paul and Mr. Barr than Beck. Certainly, it's possible that someone did, but he had them on more than anyone else that I could see.
And not that Barr and Paul are perfect ideological matches, but I even heard Beck say on the radio that he was condidering wasting his vote on Barr.
In full disclosure, I've liked Beck longer than I've known I was a libertarian. And still do, even if we don't always see eye to eye.
Publicity does NOT equal credibility
Something as simple as a cop beating a confession out of a bad guy on TV conditions viewers to ACCEPT that cops beat bad guys. Then, when the news comes out that the cops beat someone, the public reflexively thinks "it was a bad guy" because they are conditioned, by the TV, to believe that cops beat bad guys, NOT that they beat innocent people.
Even if Beck himself came head-snapping awake, he is being used. Ron Paul is being used to his own detriment, too. I think he knows. There is no easy answer, the media is THEIR weapon, and yet if we do not take the scraps they toss us we get nothing. So I say take the scraps, but do NOT believe anything on TV is being done without deliberate intent.
During the election, sleeple were taught to think "kook" whenever they saw Ron Paul. Now they are getting that with Beck, and the 2 of the together is a joke with no need of punch line for most viewers. Yes, a few people probably wake up every time, but millions get their programming re-affirmed.
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
I do agree with you...
Actually, I do agree with your basic premise here in this post (marginalization of the "kooks" as they'd call Dr. Paul and Mr. Beck). That said, many on here are attacking Beck's libertarian street cred, and my point was that I don't think he's that far off from me on 80% of my staked out positions, and Beck is an effective advocate for those positions.
Glenn Beck: Bait & Switch
There is a consorted effort to marginalize Libertarians in the media these days. In a recent episode of the tripe show, 'Criminal Minds', where would be savior FBI agents fly in a Lear jet to save citizens from evil, Libertarians were painted as an incest breeding, gun toting cult, that must be exterminated. The masses are being conditioned via the dozens of cop shows on TV. Glenn is here to condition via his carefully scripted show.
Glenn Beck, a self-professed rodeo clown, once self-processed independent, is an actor. Period. Since he moved to Fox News, his mantra has changed: he now calls himself a Libertarian. He rants more; he's building a survival shelter; he pays homage to Ron Paul and then does a quip 180 degree turn into Neocon heaven. He knows the truth, but pretends he's idiot to gain empathy from different factions of his viewers.
He has been given the answers about the economic problem and how war is bankrupting the empire, yet he supports unconditional preemptive war. He now works for the Necons via his Fox affiliation; he's pushing Sara Palin, who supports war; therefore, he is a Neocon. Simple deduction.
Necons don't like Libertarians. Simple deduction.
My take on Beck. He will self implode as scripted. It is planned in this wag the dog fable. He will continue to call himself a Libertarian as he spouses more and more extreme views. All this, to pidgin whole Libertarians as extremists. Fade to black. Print.
lol
Fade to black. Print.
Good one.
"Simple deduction" ?
The strands that you tie together are anything but simple deduction. On the contrary, it is an assemblage of innuendo and loose associations.
In general, I'm not a fan of Fox News- but I have a question for you. On what network do Judge Napalitano and Glenn Beck shows appear? Because Judge Napalitano is broadcast on Fox, are we to assume that he is a neocon conspirator as well? It is after all guilt by association... right? How's the tally of liberty leaning shows on other networks such as NPR, NBC, ABC? The only one I can think of is ABC with John Stossel. Feel free to add to that list if I've overlooked any.
I have another proposition. Glenn Beck is on Fox News because it's commentary content leans to the right. Given that the Libertarian movement in this country comes from the right side of the spectrum, The Glenn Beck show is likely to be better received, get better ratings and thus revenue on Fox.
Glenn Beck has been calling himself a "Libertarian" for some time, much longer than six months ago. He is a smart man, I suspect that in due time he will begin to understand the connection between the warfare and welfare state. Already his rhetoric in support of our wars appears to be abating. He's less likely than before to condition his discussions with Dr. Paul with a disclaimer about their differing views on the current wars.
I've heard your argument
and I have heard smoothieman. I have to go with smoothieman.
Definition of a Necon
Neocon: a communist oriented fascist.
I agree that
Beck is using what we all and others have been saying for some time for entertainment purposes. And even though, 6 or whatever mos ago, Beck would not have given RP the time of day, he still is preaching to a great number of people about things they will further research. Honestly folks, no one has ever proven the existence or the purpose of any FEMA camps, but if they exist for evil purposes he is speaking about the possibility of them. We can brush it off, and say its Beck riding coattails, but for the uninitiated, its good for them to here it. It will keep whatever nefarious organizations (if they exist) in check and on the defensive. Remember, most people do not have the will or ability to read Mises, Rothbard, Rand, etc and get anything out of it. To be honest Mises is tough reading. Beck, is managing to get those points across, to those people who neither have the will or ability to get it otherwise.
The thing to concern yourself with is, if (for example FEMA camps) were built for evil purposes (which I personally fond hard to swallow) then they will have to be replaced with something more secretive. Something Beck is not preaching about. Maybe its time to dig deeper, if that is what concerns you most.....
Anybody Who Favors The Drug War Is Not In Favor of Freedom
Either we own our own bodies or we don't. G should not tell us what is in our intake or our outake.
And I wish Ron would stop using word, "libertarian". It should be either you are in favor of freedom or not. Use FREEDOM not liberty.
Only good thing Obama has done was to get the federal hounds off the backs of the California growers associations. The DEA must have really been pissed off at that.
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Glenn still needs a lot of work
One of us needs to mail him a copy of The Creature From Jeckyll Island and maybe even Murray Rothbard's The Anatomy of the State which is just BRILLIANT stuff.
Right now he goes from mentioning FEMA camps as though it's something brand new under Obama and the next minute he's getting all emotional talking about our "brave and noble" military and how we need to teach those evil Russians and Iranians a lesson by bombing the hell out of yet more foreign civilians in the name of "national security."
Until he's able to denounce government in ALL of it's abominations, including the Warfare State, I don't have a lot of respect for him. He still needs a serious education before I can believe he's "coming around."
Don't forget guys, this is the same guy who agreed that Ron Paul people were "domestic enemies" and that Lew Rockwell was an anti-American worthy of surveilance.
Glenn Beck
Is a fine entertainer. That is all.
I'll take Beck over Obermann or O'Rielly any day
"Reality is the leading cause of stress amongst those in touch with it."
--Jane Wagner
A Republic, If You Can Keep It
Yeah? Well Hopefully Beck
won't be like radio blowhard Neil Boortz, who has claimed to be a Libertarian, yet ridiculed Ron Paul during the campaign because Boortz considered Dr. Paul's foreign policy of non-interventionism to be "naive".
Boortz...
...also does not seem to support the real factual inequity of fiat money system solely controlled by a private bank.
He has also all but stated that unless you are making 250000 a year you are an unsuccessful worthless pile of carbon, in so many different words. When in reality just an hour of any humans time is worth many times this in terms of fiat money. People l like Boortz should experience a boycott wherein their toilets are no longer cleaned for them, their trash no longer carried for them and more. Then he would understand what all human's time of life is worth.
This is primarily why I do not listen to him or the others, they are cheer leading shills. Beck "seems" like he is turning a corner, I guess there is a faction at the top that wants some apparent competition to exist. Or they are just testing the waters publicly with the ideas being out there in the "masses" faces.
It is the inequity of human time expenditure that is being controlled. Period. Bottom Line. End of File. Use of human machine hours is the most valuable commodity in existence, as it is the commodity from which others flow in terms of the economic system. It is also the commodity that cannot be sold on the stock exchange, they apparently outlawed slavery, haha...
Now come on.... Back to your slave pens and start grinding away again. It is not time for TV yet!
All the Libertarians have
All the Libertarians have different view points on a lot of things, just like a lot of Republicans and a lot of Democrats have different view points on a lot of things.
Glen Beck and Neil Boortz I believe ARE Libertarians.
Glen is correct, and he stated such today .. that the Libertarians biggest problem is that "we are scattered like rats". And he's right. We need to come together and we need to stick together on some very conservative core principals that we will use to "market" ourselves.
Most people when you sit down and talk to them and ask them how they feel about certain issues tend towards Libertarianism, its just that they have been conditioned by the establishment for so long on the 2 party system that they dont believe it or dont think about it.
Obviously we dont market and we distance ourselves from crazy shit like conspiracy theories or legalizing heroin or abolishing the FBI, but the message of fiscal responsibility and individual liberty and individual responsibility IS TOO DAMNED IMPORTANT for it to be unheard and unchampioned. Everything else is an afterthought. And the Republican party is so screwed up right now that they are unmarketable, who knows if they will ever BE marketable again anytime soon.
Believe me. If I could, I would love to make it my *mission* to organize and temper the Libertarian Party and turn it into a force to be reckoned with. It is my secret fantasy.
Life, Liberty, Property
That triad of natural rights is the glue that holds libertarians together.
Life, Liberty, Property
Well Stated
Very well put. I admit to a fair amount of hostility toward Boortz because of his arrogant attitude toward Dr. Paul. You make many excellent points.
I didnt realize their was a
I didnt realize their was a branch of 'Imperialist libertarians.' Interesting...
Somethings just not quite right about Mr Beck IMHO.
We don't need a bobble-head spokesman.
Let the bobble-heads bury their own.
So what if he has suddenly seen the light? What if he suddenly were a true believer? Should we care? Should we even notice?
Are we even still talking about this guy? Sheesh, next we'll be gossiping about the socioeconomic effects of the precise shade of grey in Dan Rather's toupe.
Give it a rest, folks. Go find something newsworthy. Just because you see something -- or someone -- on a news station doesn't mean diddly.
~jaq
ps. At first, I read this as "Glenn Beck: Liberian". Well, at least that seems more believable.
~jaq
Did Beck just have Frank Luntz
on his program? Isn't Frank Luntz that jackass that did the unfair polls during the debates and always ridiculed Ron Paul? Today he said that people just want someone who speaks to them from the heart and doesn't use notes and says what he means and means what he says. Such a jerk. Acts as if he is in the loop NOW, but back then he put such a person down as hard as he could because he knew that America wanted Ron Paul and he couldn't let it happen.