WARNING-All parents of preschool age children please look!
Submitted by countrykidz2 on Mon, 03/09/2009 - 19:56
This is a perfectly awful bill, it has been in the plans for a long time, but is horrible, and will effectively give the state/gov the authority to invade your home and decide whether or not you are a suitable parent of your preschool child(ren),they feel the children belong to the community-this is back to Hilary's old plan to get every child younger than school age institutionalized. Remember, the younger you can start the brainwashing, the better it takes effect. See the bill below.
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It takes a village
The government knows what is best for it's citizens, they give me security in knowing that I'll be taken care of from cradle to grave. The age of self- suficiency, individualism is over. All heil-socialism.
Just one more example of
my tax dollars going to FORCE educate idiots...
Seriously... My wife and I had our first child at 21. We knew that we did not know enough on our own to raise the child... Like responsible future parents, we took a parenthood class, because it was the responsible thing to do..
This just proves that those of us that our responsible, will always end up paying for the idiots that public education produces.....
F@#*ing limousine liberals.....
"Truth is treason in the empire of lies"......
"Truth is treason in the empire of lies"......
I Just Read It
I do not see where the education of the pre-school children is compulsory. The only part that was is the requirement of parents to have taken a course of infant safety -- already a common practice in most hospitals. While I do not agree with using public (tax payer) funds to support this, it is actually not a bad program. Two of our children have participated, and it has been very helpful. There is no "mind washing" or "programming". They show how to help your child communicate and respond. It has helped our one son tremendously with his vocabulary, and we are able to communicate with him well. The parents are with the instructor and child at all times, so there is nothing going on behind your back. The instructors have been very respectful and understanding, and we can stop it at any time. Quite honestly, I have been impressed.
I do not favor socialism, but this bill is not "evil" -- misguided, perhaps, but it looks like something from people who truly do want to help.
There are real conspiracies to undermine and destroy America and our children. I don't believe this is one of them.
So you're okay with federal goons investigating your house?
Without a warrant to make sure you're parenting your kids right? That's what this bill allows.
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Where does the bill allow this? The original poster implied
that the bill established a danger of "invasion" of private homes and now you mention some kind of warrantless home investigation. As I noted last night, I can find no such authority or requirement. In fact, the bill specifically uses the term "voluntary" with respect to the offering of the so-called state services. It mentions the "voluntary" characteristic as a condition for a State to become elligible for funds provided under the bill. You make the statement that: "That's what this bill allows". Where exactly is this language found in the text of the bill? I've read through it three times now and I can detect no such language.
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"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."
You're right
It says nothing about federal goons or stealing children. But the effect of CPS (which will carry out this horror) is all the evidence I need that this new act will be used to kidnap children from loving families. Here's some articles that explains:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/homeschool_swat_goons_di...
http://www.infowars.com/court-rules-texas-cps-acted-improper...
http://www.infowars.com/flds-mothers-have-their-children-kid...
http://www.infowars.com/teenage-girl-dies-in-ohio-children-s...
http://www.infowars.com/the-texas-child-grab/
http://www.infowars.com/mom-cleared-of-absurd-child-abuses-c...
http://www.infowars.com/boy-kidnapped-by-cps-for-accidental-...
http://www.infowars.com/child-abuse-by-the-government/
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I don't like the bill either. I require more evidence which, as
you have positively stated, does not exist in this particular bill. That is not to say that I am unaware of the general and unrelenting desire of the leviathan state to establish greater authority over the lives of individuals and that would include children of course.
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"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."
Alright look
There's two opposing ways of looking at government's actions:
1) They need to monitor their citizens from cradle to grave and tax their citizens for their monitoring
2) They only have the power enumerated in the creation of their government by the constitution
This bill favors number 1, and its anethema to everything our constitution states. Mark my words if this bill is passed you will see more massive roundups of coops, homeschools, christians, and anyone who protests against government programs. We need people to protest BS bills like this one to the best of their ability. Sitting on the fence ain't an option anymore.
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I have not and do not suggest sitting on any fences. I also do
not suggest the rallying of support or opposition for a given bill based upon provisions not even contained in that given bill. The objective you mention in # 1 above (cradle to grave management of the lives of individuals) is an entirely valid subject and I would certainly accept that this bill is one more attempted step, by the government, to accomplish that objective albeit by the offering of a carrot rather than a stick. As I mentioned, I don't like the bill either. This doesn't mean that your predictions or fears are invalid or unfounded.
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"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."
While the bill doesn't say
While the bill doesn't say it in specifics, the catch phrase is "and for other purposes." While we cannot be sure, I would suspect that when the father refuses to attend the state-imposed class at the hospital, as called for in the last section, this would throw up a red flag which would probably initiate a visit from a state social-worker to the child's home (other purposes).
Even if your suspicions are correct, a visit from a state
social worker to a home does not constitute, without more, a legal obligation for the home owner to involuntarily allow entry to that social worker or to participate in any "other purpose" undertaken with respect to any such visit. Further, the class you mention is not state-imposed on the father or mother. The actual text of the bill imposes the operation of the class on the hospital or birthing center; it does not compel the participation of the parents. They are directed to "request" the participation of the parents in the class. Further, they (the institutions involved in the bill) are directed to "request" that the father sign some piece of paper indicating his willingness or refusal to participate in the proffered class. However, "request" is not "requirement". If the "request" were made of me, I would simply decline to participate in the class or to fill out their form. What are they going to do....refuse to turn over my child to me? Wouldn't that make a nice lawsuit. As to the generation of so-called "red flags", I do that all the time. I have for a number of decades now. Do right and fear not.
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Well, go ahead and tell your
Well, go ahead and tell your representative to support it. You seem to be pleased enough with it.
I do not find any place where I have mentioned that I am
pleased with the bill. I have written in a few places that I do not like the bill. Therefore, I am unable to understand your having reached the conclusion that I "seem to be pleased enough with it".
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Which paragraph are you
Which paragraph are you referring to?
The most basic Right, my Right to be left the Hell alone
and for my family to be left the Hell alone. I want that back at all levels.
Sums it up for me, "leave me the Hell alone."
Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*
Ladies, study up on midwifery
I think it is coming back into vogue.
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
Regarding midwifery coming back, check this out.
I posted a thread in February about the latest "concerns" regarding midwife births.
"Midwife births raise questions about citizenship"
Here is a link to that thread. Link to the article is in there.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/82403
HOLY F#$K
That's it people, why aren't we throwing the trash out already?
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It is starting.
I was just reading one of the parenting message boards I frequent and some of the parents are complaining because Early Intervention is going into private preschools to "screen" all of the kids for developmental problems that may require therapies. The parents are asked to sign a form to allow their child to be tested. No way would I sign this. I don't need the govt to tell me what my kids need! They need to butt out of our lives.
It seems like they are starting younger and younger to get everyone dependent on the government. They WANT all of our kids in their programs so they can keep hiring more and more people and get more and more $$$$ for all of their programs.
So sick of it!
Again, until these evil socialist/globalists are toppled....
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...we can expect this type of unconstitutional legislation on a weekly basis.
We don't have time to read each one of these ghastly bills.
What bothers me is why don't Americans vote these SOBs out of office when any of this fecal-matter gets passed as legislation.
It will NEVER end until they are toppled or we go bankrupt.
Bankruptcy WILL happen first, it seems.
The consequence of bankruptcy, however, is dictatorship.
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What bothers me is this wording...
SEC. 8. SUPPORTING NEW PARENTS THROUGH HOSPITAL EDUCATION.
(b) Elements-
(1) IN GENERAL- The campaign developed under subsection (a) shall include the following elements:
(C) The dissemination of effective child abuse prevention practices and techniques, including information about research-based home visiting programs, respite care, crisis nurseries, and parent support networks, to parents, caregivers, maternity hospitals, children's hospitals, pediatricians, child care centers, organizations providing prenatal and postnatal care, and organizations providing parenting education and support services.
(2) PREVENTION PRACTICES- In carrying out paragraph (1)(C) through the campaign under subsection (a), the Secretary shall ensure that every hospital, military hospital, and birth center receiving these materials requests that each maternity patient and father of a newborn child, if available, participate in a single session parenting class, that is approved by the Secretary, on the vulnerabilities of their infant to abusive practices, as well as the importance of proper care for infants and young children, and the symptoms of abusive head and other injuries, and strategies for caring for infants' social, emotional, and physical needs. After participating in the class, the hospital or birth center shall request that such patient or father sign a form stating that they have participated or refused to participate in the parenting class.,
Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to get the verbiage here for those who do not look up the bill text. The bold text is what concerns me. They will start at the hospital level (right after birth) and require you to sign a form if you refuse to participate in the indoctrination classes.
If we had representatives in our States that
weren't morally bankrupt, corrupt and spineless they wouldn't apply for the grants.
When will they learn?
There is no such thing as "free" money. It usually comes with strings attached (hidden or otherwise). And the unfortunate tax payer will get to fund it both ways.
Where in the bill do you find the establishment of a
State authority or requirement to "invade" a home? Section 4 of the act contains, in part, the following language:
"(f) State Uses of Funds- Each State that receives a grant under this section shall--
(1) provide to as many eligible families in the State as practicable, voluntary early childhood home visitation, on not less frequently than a monthly basis with greater frequency of services for those eligible families identified with additional needs, through the implementation of other quality programs of early childhood home visitation that--"
This section speaks of "voluntary early childhood home visitation", and I am unable to interpret that particular phrasing as conveying an authority to invade a private home. Having said that, I would add my general agreement with your assertion that the bill is, at least, unnecessary and, at most, awful. However, I don't seem to find the legal basis for concluding that the bill, as it stands, constitutes a legal authority or requirement for the State to invade a private home. It is certainly unnecessary and a waste of public monies. Clearly though, the government wants to get their hands on the minds and attitudes of children as soon as possible and I presume that everyone knows what kind of "instruction" will be forthcoming from the representatives of the leviathan state.
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"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."
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"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."
Look at this wording:
"To expand programs of early childhood home visitation that increase school readiness, child abuse and neglect prevention, and early identification of developmental and health delays, including potential mental health concerns, and for other purposes."
Mental health concerns?...with preschoolers?
Other purposes? What other purposes?
Jiminy Cricket....
that same wording jumped right out at me too! Your quote is almost word for word what I just said to hubby.
BE VERY SCARED PEOPLE! We cannot allow this crap to become law!
Doesn't everyone have
Doesn't everyone have "mental problems" who doesn't accept the new way of thinking?
It does take a village,
It does take a village, don'tcha know...
Bills used to irritate me. Then they started pissing me off.
Now they give me goosebumps. I will never allow this to happen in my home.
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As for me and my house-We won't either!!
Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips
But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
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