"we surround them" - Our battle just got a lot harder!
The planners behind the New World Order movement are once again showing their pure brilliance. For decades, they have worked to maintain a two-party system and ensure that people have only one of two groups to identify with. These groups have been labeled "liberal" and "conservative". If you want to study this technique, do some research on the Hegelian Dialectic. Of course you can always read Carroll Quigley as well to get all the specifics on their plan.
Please note that when I refer to “liberals” and “conservatives” throughout this article, I am not attempting to validate their usage. I am only pointing out that these are the two ideologies that have been created by usage of the technique I just described. That is why I enclose those words in quotes.
Every time one side of the Hegelian takes a clear political advantage, they know that the other side is surely feeling completely disenfranchised. The patriot/freedom movement has had the luxury of being able to reach out to a disenfranchised group for almost 2 years now. We have made significant progress with the “liberals” before the 2008 election, and we are making major progress with the “conservatives” now that the “liberals” are running the federal government. Of course we did make progress with the “conservatives” before the election too due to the Bush administrations complete lack of identity with “conservatism”. Due to that lack of identity, the “conservative” side has been weakened.
The planners behind the New World Order cannot allow the freedom movement to continue to make progress. With Obama being elected, the “liberals” now have their home. But the “conservatives” have none. They have now shown us how they intend to solve their dilemma. This new “we surround them” project will give all the “conservative” side a home again; a place from which they can re-invigorate their battle with the “liberals”. Of course this on-going battle has always served, and will always serve, to create a more restrictive society.
Let’s not be fooled. While this list of things may appear on the surface to be progress for the freedom movement, we know better. In order for this to be progress, it would mean that News Corp and other large media players have suddenly come around and joined us! To believe that, one would have to be seriously uninformed about the power, scope, goals, and experience in societal manipulations of the planners behind the New World Order.
Remember how this all started with Glenn Beck suddenly apologized to Ron Paul supporters for calling them “terrorists”? Once again, to really think he had just miraculously come around on his own, is to not understand the scope of the problem we are fighting against. I clearly remember watching his apology and addressing Ron Paul supporters and being extremely suspicious at the time.
While all of the evidence I am presenting is purely circumstantial, I believe anyone who has been paying attention to circumstances in current day and over the last 100 years or so, can see this evidence as clearly as I can.
I believe Glenn Beck was appointed to infiltrate our message. First, they decided that CNN is not the place for him- that is the “liberal” news network. They needed to put him in the right place, working for Fox News, who is the “conservative” news network. They did a small field test with his broadcasts over the last few weeks. They have done studies on the reaction and have come up with a clear plan as to what void needs to be filled in the “conservative” side of the Hegelian. Now that they have that, they have created a 9-point scheme, created a nice, easy to remember name for the project (we surround them) and are now attempting to enlist the big “conservative” guns, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.
Once this plan goes into effect, the uneducated, and misinformed populous will not be able to differentiate between the true message of freedom, and the message of the new “conservative” meme which is being created. But that same segment of the populous will find some comfort in their message, and they will be able to hear it in their car, see it on TV, and read it in all the conservative publications. The real message of freedom will be drowned out, and the populous will be manipulated, as always, into a false battle of fighting against those evil “liberals”.
I will now provide my analysis of their 9 points, and what I think they are trying to accomplish with each:
1. America is good.
This sounds great! In reality, the only thing truly good about America (The United States of), is our constitution. Of course since that document is being totally ignored these days by our federal government, this statement is pretty meaningless and only serves to create false patriotism which ultimately leads to support of a big federal government.
2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
By this, they most certainly mean the “popular” version of God that has been created over many centuries of manipulations of the world population. That version of God is carefully maintained presently by the “National Council of Churches”. This point serves to separate those “conservatives” who tend to more regularly attend church and buy into the God concept they have created, from those “liberals” who tend to be afraid to address the issue of God in their lives. This ongoing battle will now be re-invigorated and keep everyone distracted from the fact they are continuing to restrict our freedoms and enslave us economically.
3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
Not sure about this one. Just seems to be good feeling fluff. Of course everyone wants honesty. Once again, it only serves to divide because once you have the “liberals” fighting against this platform, those who support the platform, will believe in their mind that those in opposition obviously don’t believe honesty is important.
4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
This statement is designed to grab those who support less government, but convince them, at the same time, that by believing in less government, you must act completely selfishly. Of course, working together and recognizing our shared responsibility for our community is paramount to a successful “free” society. This will divide the two groups and tap into people’s common sense understanding that we must share those certain responsibilities and present government as the only solution. Also note the use of the word “spouse”. This implies that those who choose to enter into the governments approved version personal relationships are somehow more worthy.
5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
This statement forces those that bought into this platform because of the freedom elements, to also accept that law must be enforced at all costs- regardless of real morality of freedom, and regardless of the constitutionality of the law in question. This will also allow people to sit back and accept the enactment of harsh penalties that we have never seen before.
6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
This statement gives the “conservatives” the ammunition to say “don’t complain you whiner”, whenever the government comes down hard on freedom-fighters. It subtly says “freedom is a neat idea, but don’t complain when you don’t get it.”
7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
This is “conservatism” at its best. This would be generally acceptable on its own in a pure sense, of course, to “liberals” this will appear to be insensible selfishness and only add fuel to the Hegelian battle. Experienced freedom fighters know that in order to get away with making statements like this, it always needs to be worded more like: While giving to others and being charitable is important in a functioning society, it can never be the role of government to use force or coercion to enforce morality.
8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
Once again, this enforces false patriotism in this “America” concept. The freedom movement would simply say something like: “The constitution enumerates my rights which allow me the freedom to rail against the government or to express my opinion.” But this would be far too sensible and not nearly divisive enough to accomplish the goals of their project.
9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.
Once again, this statement has shades of sentiment of a freedom-fighting constitutionalist. But we know these people aren’t. They are actually enforcing the concept of big government. They are saying big government is ok, as long as we (“conservatives”) are in control.
Part of me wants to write another several pages to make my argument crystal clear. However, I have real freedom-fighting work to get back to. I only hope that our movement can see through these tactics and not be fooled. This is a complicated game- and the road to winning back our freedom just got harder.
If you made it all the way through my post. Thank you for taking the time. You must have seen some little bit of wisdom here!
Sincerely,
Ray Powell
http://www.raymondpowell.com





















my opinion on your opinions
1. i agree with you
2.im critical of the way he talkes about religion, as if we are, or ever were a christian nation. an attempted revival of the "moral" majority?
3.theres nothing wrong with self-improvement.
4. not so sure i see where you are coming from on this one, though im sure you will expound on this for my understanding's sake.
5.i think that it would be great, if there werent so many laws that are not real laws in which they would enforce, i.e drug prohibition, tax protest,etc.
6.i can see how someone could view it that way, though i think he means no redistribution of wealth or creating equality(affirmitive action).
7.i agree with you, that would piss off socialists. explaining why government "charity" doesnt work would be better, as you suggested.
8.i think thats a statement against those who think speaking your opinion is un-patriotic, though i believe your wording is better.
9.true, he seems to pick and choose when its okay to have the government controling the show, but i agree with the statement.
Glenn said to trust
your gut and my gut does not trust him. I would listen to Beck early on in his career when he was critical about the Oklahoma bombing until he got an invite to the White House to meet Bush 1, from that day on Beck stoped questioning the Gov. Yes I think Glenn is a Shill but I think he could be a usefull Shill for us if we play our cards right.
playing our cards...
Yes, we play our cards right by standing strongly AGAINST their attempt to define what the freedom movement is. The day they are reaching out to the leaders within our movement is the day they are doing something real. Until then, it is contrived. It is not coming from the real patriots and scholars who know what freedom is really about and how to achieve it.
Sincerely,
Ray Powell
http://www.RaymondPowell.com
Sincerely,
Ray Powell
http://www.RaymondPowell.com
I didnt get throught the post but will tonight
I have my reservations about this Glen Beck phenom and this new "We surround them thing". I agree that it really smells kinda fishy. Ive never heard Beck come out against the country's empire building. That being said, I think that isnt this the kind of thing we "really" wanted? IE: Someone in the MSM actually taking note?
Its going to be one to chew on for a while, but face it folks, these people (in the media) are Americans and have homes and families too. They want whats good for their children. Not all, if any, have got some secret reservation in the NWO promised land.
I do agree the GOP, is trying to build on the type of support that the RP movement generated. They stand in awe of what was accomplished. But if you are never going to give anyone some benefit of the doubt, you will never go anywhere. Sh!t, the people on this forum dont all agree. For instance, living a life in Christ is not my cup of tea. Not that I dont respect Christianity, but for some of you, its all that matters.
The founders struggled with differences of opinion, and still managed. Glen Beck might be what is needed. He might be the Devil himself in disguise, but one thing for sure its too early to judge. And another thing thats for sure, is you will never make all people agree with you. If thats your battle, you will lose.
My thought: proceed with guarded caution...
What a waste of 5 minutes reading....
If you made it all the way through my post. Thank you for taking the time. You must have saw some little bit of wisdom here!
Actually, no I didn't find much wisdom, but a tremendous amout of paranoia. You guys don't recognise an ally when you see one. If Beck hadn't caught my attention years ago, I'd have no idea who Ron Paul is or why I should care. Glenn Beck is a fantastic messenger, even if you don't agree w/ him 100%. One more thing, if a bunch of you sent death treats to me, I'd call you terrorist too!
I'm all out of red pills...
Can someone help this person out?
Sincerely,
Ray Powell
http://www.RaymondPowell.com
Sincerely,
Ray Powell
http://www.RaymondPowell.com
The confusion of Glen Beck
First of all, recognize that Glen Beck was an alcoholic still drinking back in the early days of the Republican primaries when he disparaged Ron Paul. Then he went to AA and found a new self, plus who knows what meds he is on now.
I don't think he has a solid philosophy. He just picks up ideas here and ideas there and puts them together, and they in fact might be philosophically inconsistent, but I will say he seems to have found something that helps build his ratings and his ego with his revolution theme.
As far as thinking he and the NWO have figured out a great plan to hijack the awakening to freedom related to Ron Paul's leadership, I would say this is paranoia. There are always competing ideas. Ron Paul is selling his ideas, and so are Limbaugh, Hanity, Norris, Obama, McCain, etc. Some are sincere in their belief system and some are just selling snake oil for fun and profit.
As soon as I read Glen Becks little list of nine, it was clear that he has a confused mind, but then so do most of these salesmen. As a former disc jockey he is still just playing records and these are the nine records he happens to have on his show this week. Just remember that he is in the entertainment business.
As far as making Ron Paul's job harder, it should be. There should be freedom in the exchange of ideas, and hopefully the best will win out. Otherwise someone must have a monopoly on ideas and that would be totally inconsistent with what Dr. Paul represents. So don't get your tits in a twitter over who is hawking the latest ideas.
"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence." Thomas H. Huxley
NWO
Why do people believe in a secret behind-the-scenes NWO? Why not simply believe that an immoral culture will do immoral things? Why does there have to be an "elite" behind the scenes pulling levers? Maybe the people in charge are just immoral imbeciles voted into office by the same who don't really want to wreck the country but can't help it?
Here are some links - Do your homework
Article:
AMERICA'S FORGOTTEN WAR AGAINST THE CENTRAL BANKS
http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/dollardaze/2007...
Books:
Financial Terrorism- McManus
http://www.amazon.com/Financial-Terrorism-Hijacking-America-...
True Story of the Bilderberg Group
http://www.amazon.com/True-Story-Bilderberg-Group/dp/0977795349
Web of Debt: The Shocking Truth About Our Money System and How We Can Break Free
http://www.amazon.com/Web-Debt-Shocking-Truth-System/dp/0979...
The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve
http://www.amazon.com/Creature-Jekyll-Island-Federal-Reserve...
Videos:
Money as Debt (A quick and easy to understand introduction to the fractional reserve fraud)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279
America: Freedom to Fascism - Director's Authorized Version
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173
The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936
because the evidence is overwhelming
do your research
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
Oh, well that was easy
If you can't answer my question, why post? At least give me a book or links to websites that you think have made the rock-solid case that "yep, there's definitely a massive conspiracy going on." I'm sure petty conspiracy goes on all the time, by the government and others, I just don't see evidence for a mega conspiracy.
Carroll Quigley
I referenced some reading for you in my oringinal post. I also referred to your the type of mass ignorace of reality that exists among the populus twice in the post. If you don't understand that politicians and governments are only in place to make the mass population believe they are in charge, you are fooling yourself. But that's ok. You may find happiness anyway. I sincerely hope you do.
Sincerely,
Ray Powell
http://www.RaymondPowell.com
Sincerely,
Ray Powell
http://www.RaymondPowell.com
What a great opportunity
To grow the campaign for liberty ranks.
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yep
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
I'm taking Wait and See on this one....
I think this is the Huckabee network resurrected. The '9 principles' seem to go along with that idea: Principles 1-4 sound like the Huckabee Grass roots talking about Huckabee things. Principles 5-9 sound like they came straight out of the Libertarian party.
And that would make sense: Chuck Norris was a former Huckster and either has the Huckabee mailing lists or knows the people that do. So it was easy to re-energize them. I imagine this is a sincere group.
A lot of overlap exists between the two groups in principle: Eliminating IRS, pushing State Sovereignty, pushing back against big government, etc.
I personally don't play turf war and don't get hostile to another group or network that's pushing the same things that I am. If these groups get traction and get going, more power to them as long as they are actively moving in the same direction I'm moving. They are pushing State Sovereignty, I'll push State Sovereignty with or with out them.
The GOP is leaderless: all of the 'principled' conservatives were kicked out of the Republican Party (including Bob Barr and Dick Armey -- anti Barr people please don't debate that the small government conservatives were chased out of the GOP by the neoconservatives) a long time ago. They are trying to find a rallying point.
I'm reading a lot of the Obama BB's freaking out over Chuck Norris and saying he ought to be tried under the Patriot Act. "He fits Bush's description of a terrorist" was what one post said. And technically, those dems MIGHT be right. Of course, the Neoconservatives called RP supporters Terrorists for opposing the Patriot Act back then too. That violation of the 4th Amendment has become a two-edged-sword for Conservatives, now that Obama has the sword. Just like we told them it would.
The difference between a C4L'er and We Surround Them: We've opposed Big Government (including the Patriot Act and debt spending) from Day 1, or atleast day 60. We opposed it under Bush. We oppose it now under Obama. We've supported Federalism and the Constitution for that long. When Republicans oppose the Stimulus or a new government encroachment, and Dems say "Where were you opposing this during the Bush years?" We can look them right in the eye and say: "We DID oppose it." Our principles didn't change.
I'm going to take a wait and see attitude on this one. Right now the opposition is not coming from the right side of the aisle anyway: It's the Obamatons that have suddenly decided Patriot Act, Afghanistan, Deficit Spending, and Big Brother are great ideas when a "D" is controlling them. Again: Our principles haven't changed. It's the Dems I'm trying to break out of the 'R and D have magic powers' mindset and actually vote for the 10th Amendment for a change.
We need more "Federalist Liberals" out there.
Life, Liberty, Property
Bob Barr? Seriously?
I think most of what you wrote is sensible except your view on Bob Barr. I am confident Bob Barr "bought" the LP nomination and that he got money from "them" to do it.
Chuck Norris is not talking about any of the "real" militias. He is part of the game to cause devisiveness and you pointed out how well it is already working.
The point you have to understand is that the MSM is very quickly about to control the "freedom message"- at least in the eyes of the mass populus. Once they do that, people will be even less inclined to hear us because they will just think we are one of the "we surround them" people.
If we tell them, no we're not, they'll just be more inclined to ignore us because they don't hear any of our views blasted at them all day every day in the mainstram.
Sincerely,
Ray Powell
http://www.RaymondPowell.com
Sincerely,
Ray Powell
http://www.RaymondPowell.com
Yes, Bob Barr
I'm from Marietta originally and know Barr. Mary Ruwart would've done no better. Or maybe she would've hit it out of the ballpark and gotten 3%. Either way, I think he was sincere, and his mistakes were sincere (he made one when he walked off the C4L stage).
These guys are not gods or science fiction characters: they stick their neck out for what they believe, and even screw up sometimes. Bush? Believes his own bull****. Obama? Believes his own bull****. That's what makes them motivated and maybe even a little dangerous. I think people that give the 'conspiracy' idea weight are giving flawed humans way too much credit.
Life, Liberty, Property
Thank you so much
this is exactly what I have been thinking. We went from bad guys to good guys. It is absolutely amazing to be honest if I wasn't aware of what was going on I probably wouldn't have believed it.
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"we surround them"
#8. Please show me where my rights are enumerated in the constitution. Amendment #9 clearly shows I have innumerable rights not mentioned.
KenM
Absolutely agree that FOX, Rush, Hannity and Beck....
have been directed to hijack the "Liberty" movement and take it away from the "Ron Paul" faction. They will then have a "Liberty" movement, which is, as you say very difficult to discern from the Paul movement EXCEPT of course in its foreign policy (GO AMERICA!,,, rah, rah, rah) and in its acceptance of socialistic societal programs that go along with THEIR priorities. UGH
I guess the only good news here is that Dr Paul and his movement have them SO TERRIFIED that they are going to this extreme..... this tells us that we are making progress.
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Yes, they want to control the narrative
Common psyops.
Good write-up. #2 is
Good write-up. #2 is divisive(though positive) and #3 is unbelievably childish.
Ventura 2012
How about, "WE" Surround Them.
Go to this link and type in your zip. You may have a group that's meeting this Friday right near you. Most of these people seem like they are just waking up to what is going on and don't know what to do. Join the group and gently enlighten them.
http://glennbeck.meetup.com/
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