I hate to reference one of my own cartoons...
Submitted by Kevin Tuma on Wed, 03/11/2009 - 16:17
But the national GOP is a sinking ship. I think it's going down and under.
The Republican Party's only hope to spring back to life is if Obama follows up on the gun control noise that's being made in Washington. That's political suicide for the Democrats.
Otherwise, the Republican Party is painted into a corner. Bush and the neo-cons all but destroyed it. I don't even think Obama floundering with the economy will help the GOP.
So 'which party would you choose our next presidential candidate to run on?' is a valid question. And let's put away the idea of starting a new party. That won't happen.
So it's basically three choices: Republican, Libertarian, Constitution.
Which do you favor for president?
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stop thinking in terms of DEM/REP
until we stop thinking in terms of dems and reps, we will never achieve what we want. if the free thinkers of the DP cannot move beyond this, how can we expect the mass of sheep to do the same? what we need to be doing is educating the sheep with the fact that there are no differences between the two parties, no matter how much they bicker. we nened to instill in them the idea that voting a straight ticket at the booth does not represent their best interests. start voting by what the candidates stand for, not what animal is next to their box on the ballot.
Three Choices
The Republican party is ripe for rebuilding.
The Registered Republicans of this country out number the Registered Libertarians and Constitutionist 600 to 1.
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Don't count out the Republican Party
Pat Buchanan had a good article on LRC about how the Republicans were in an even worse position after LBJ soundly defeated Barry Goldwater. I would say that history is about to repeat itself:
"It was the winter of conservative discontent.
Barry Goldwater had gotten only 38 percent of the vote, and his party had suffered its worst thrashing since Alf Landon fell to FDR in 1936.
Democrats held 295 House seats, Republicans 140. They held 68 Senate seats to Republicans' 32, and 33 governors to the GOP's 17.
Democratic registration was twice that of the GOP. The liberal press was gleefully writing the obituary of "The Party That Lost Its Head."
Decades might pass, it was said, before the GOP recovered from its fatal embrace of right-wing radicalism and foolish rejection of the leadership of Govs. Nelson Rockefeller and William Scranton.
Wrote Robert Donovan in the opening lines of his book, The Future of the Republican Party:
"The devastating defeat of Barry Goldwater at the hands of voters in all sections of the country but the Deep South has damaged, weakened and tarnished the party. For years to come ... the two-party system will be crippled."
Donovan and all the rest were wrong. The GOP came roaring back in 1966 to capture 47 House seats and eight new governorships. In 1968, Nixon led the party out of the wilderness and into a White House it would hold for 20 of the next 24 years.
Full of hubris in 1965, Lyndon Johnson had seized his moment. He had launched a Great Society that would outdo his beloved patron FDR. He would dispatch 500,000 troops to Vietnam to "bring the coonskin home on the wall" and create a "Great Society on the Mekong." Those were heady days of "guns-and-butter."
By 1968, LBJ's coalition was shredded. Gov. George Wallace had torn away the populist right. Sens. Gene McCarthy, George McGovern and Robert Kennedy had rallied the antiwar left against him. LBJ and Hubert Humphrey were left to preside over a shrinking center."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan106.html
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It's amazing how quickly we
It's amazing how quickly we forget. It was just six years ago that Zell Miller wrote a book about the Democrat Party titled "A National Party No More".
Miller was premature, then.
The biggest problem with the Democratic Party is that socialist central planners cannot manage the economy. But they have two things in their favor: (a) academia and the public school system crank out a never ending supply of new socialists every year, and (b) Democrats openly embrace and promote big government---and that's what they deliver. So, aside from anything resembling competence, Democrats can at least deliver on their campaign promises.
By contrast, Republicans never do. They are complete fakes. They espouse smaller, less oppressive government---while consistently delivering the exact opposite. The public has learned this, which is why they are in a state of decline. Meanwhile, they have no new gimmicks up their sleeve, and no sound ideas. And, as we have learned, they have no interest in returning to constitutional governance as a concept.
Their position is much less politically sustainable than the Democrats' position, because the entire GOP platform is a lie.
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Ron Paul ran for President twice on two parties...
..With results that should teach us something. He lost both races, so percentages shouldn't matter. Because the only percentage that matters in an election is the winning party's percentage. The GOP is currently a losing party, just like the Libertarian, Constitution, and Green Parties.
But let's pretend that the numbers are important for comparison purposes.
Ron Paul ran for President on the Libertarian Party ticket in 1988 and received 432,179 votes.
At the time Ron Paul was a virtual unknown. Only Libertarians and right-wing political junkies knew who he was.
Ron Paul ran for President on the Republican Party ticket in 2008 and received 41,905 votes.
By this time, Ron Paul had become a celebrity, he was famous all over the Internet, and his energetic followers relentlessly promoted his name. He probably had 1000 times the name recognition in 2008 that he did in 1988.
Yet look at the final tally.
1988- 432,179 votes.
2008- 41,905 votes.
In 2008, international celebrity Ron Paul received less than 10% of the votes he received previously as a Libertarian candidate.
Which party strategy worked best...?
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But he wasn't in the general election!
He wasn't even on the general November ballot! How can you say he only got 40,000 votes! You know he got well over a million Republican votes in the primaries, and if he can lynch the Republican nomination next time he will get way more than the measly half million he got in 1988. Please, let's be honest here. While your facts are true, it's borderline misinformation. Lets make our decisions based on reality.
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Of course he wasn't in the general election.
That's the whole point. He couldn't win the nomination, therefore he did better in an election in which he was a complete unknown--but on the ballot--than one in which he couldn't get past the media, the neo-con squawk machine, and so on.
If he ran again on the GOP ticket in 2012--and I still hope he does---I think we'd see the same results we saw in 2008.
To win in a gunfight, you must first have a gun.
The statist authoritarian political establishment in the GOP is going to nominate another member of its own corrupted body in 2012--who will probably go on to lose in the general election just like McCain did last year.
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Where are you getting your numbers?
Ron Paul got over 1 million votes in the PRIMARY in 2008.
(and those were the ones that were actually recorded)
Are you being serious? How
Are you being serious? How about mentioning that he had over a million in the primaries which attracts a fraction of the voters that the general election attracts. Perhaps the fact that he wasn't running affected his totals in the general election. If not, the huge drop off in his vote totals from the primaries is quite disheartening.
Why do you suppose the neocons didn't just start up the Neocon party? How do you think they took over the GOP? They had people talking on campuses, speaking out in the media, joining groups and attending meetings. They had big backers and people with important connections. And ultimately, they helped politicians that supported their views win elections.
They also demonstrated that political parties are simply vehicles to attain power. The Democratic and Republican parties are far and away the best vehicles for politicians to get elected. The third parties simply haven't yet developed the level of support and resources to successfully promote their candidates.
This leads us to two options, both of which are worthwhile endeavors. One is to help shape the future of the GOP in a time when they're losing elections and they've lost their respectability and vision and currently don't see a way out. Sure there's been a lot of resistance especially before the election and there will continue to be. But which message is bringing in young people to the party? Which message is bring in various minority groups? Which message is impassioning people to take action?
Another option is to work in the Libertarian or Constitution party. There's the first problem... which one? Or perhaps a new one, which has its own set of problems. The positive that both of these have is their fidelity to the Constitution, and to the extent they can increase their influence the better. Unfortunately, from the viewpoint of members of both of these parties, that they are quite different and wouldn't join forces to work together. In fact, there's not even a desire among many Libertarians to ease ballot and debate access restrictions for fear of other third parties also getting access. A case of their wanting to be in the club, but keep everyone else out. And even in the limited size, there's already signs of distrust and corruption in the Libertarian party, which will only continue to grow as the party continues to grow.
So, in my opinion, let's not dump on how we each choose to move the liberty movement forward. Let us all cheer when a Ron Paul Republican (or Democrat) becomes a delegate or executive committee member or candidate. Let us also cheer when a Libertarian or Constitutional candidate gets on a ballot or gets elected or increases membership in their area. Let's cheer every time the message of freedom is heard in the media and elsewhere. It is ultimately the small victories that will lead to the big victories.
I'm not dumping on anyone.
I'm just pointing out, comparatively, what has happened with our favorite political candidate in two presidential races.
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Democrats are claiming center
And this is how they appease those who voted against the war, but not enough to protest.
I think we're going to see a new party pop up that will replace the GOP and will represent the NWO, it will be antiwar.. it will be UN Agenda 21.
We don't have a choice about UN Agenda 21... all this talk about ending the federal reserve... what do you think will replace it? The Federal Reserve is going down... that's why Ron Paul is on TV making the case against it, it needs to be replaced for a globalk central bank.. so it's ironic, ending the fed, is also ending the republic.
I think MSM is going to give us a new party, to replace Obama and the republic. Like how Sarah Palin came on...outta nowhere, but the biggest nowhere... maybe China.. Wouldn't that be something? The global party.
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The GOP is as useful as downer cattle now
I'm so disgusted with the GOP. The latest smear job on Ron Paul over earmarks is enough to put me over the edge. As if it isn't bad enough how Dr. Paul is treated by the liberal MSM and then to see him thrown under the bus repeatedly by the Republican party...I think it's safe to say the GOP has no clue and has successfully destroyed the conservative movement.
"Men are ruled, at this minute, by the clock, by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern."
-G.K. Chesterton
"Men are ruled, at this minute, by the clock, by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern."
-G.K. Chesterton
If you speak to mainstream conservatives...
...Even they will often admit that conservatism has been almost completely eradicated from the GOP.
The truth is, the entire political spectrum is moving continully to the Left. Bush was no more conservative--or capitalist--than Jimmy Carter. John McCain is almost politically identical to Ted Kennedy.
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Bah...John McCain...
McCain is a RINO and an opportunist. He's also a chauvinist pig. Him and his trophy women. Trades them in when they are no longer attractive or turns on them when he can't use or exploit them anymore.Witness how his campaign turned on Palin when it became clear even she couldn't buoy his sinking campaign ship. How can anyone trust a person like that? A person like that can get the GOP nomination but a decent, principled, lionhearted Constitutionalist like Ron Paul cannot. That in it's self is an example of why the GOP lacks any credibility.
"Men are ruled, at this minute, by the clock, by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern."
-G.K. Chesterton
"Men are ruled, at this minute, by the clock, by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern."
-G.K. Chesterton
That sinking ship
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That sinking ship of GOP fools will be in a Rush (Limbaugh) to get to the bottom! Be prepared for more attempts to smear Ron Paul because "the powers that be" don't want Ron to get hold of the reigns of the GOP. They would rather have Rush blathering about. He makes a bigger target come mud slinging time!
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libertarian
I honestly don't know.
I was hoping that the spanking the Republicans received in November would force them to do some badly needed housecleaning, but after seeing them in action over the last few weeks, I don't think they will get it together by 2012. Rallying around Rush Limbaugh, an entertainer that's just as divisive as George W. Bush? Bobby Jindal, the man the GOP is pushing hard to run for president in 2012, giving the worst political speech I have ever seen? Rumors of a voting no-confidence against a leader who was picked only weeks ago? It's even more embarrassing being a Republican now than it was before November!
The Libertarian Party is just as disorganized as the Republicans right now and I'm tired of their "Rent-a-Party" status. I refuse to vote for Bob Barr and any other weasels like him.
I'll keep my eye on the Constitution Party and I like Chuck Baldwin, but I'm not particularly enthusiastic towards this party.
I'm currently registered as independent and will probably be staying that way from some time. I'll reevaluate my options in 2010.
I would love to see the
I would love to see the Republican party come around, purge the neocons, and be Jefferson's party. I doubt it will happen, but that's my hope.
Unless and until the Democrats split, the best hope we have is to run Constitution candidates in the Republican party. There are far too few Americans knowledgeable and sensible enough to vote for either Libertarian or Constitution Party candidates; also, those parties simply do not have the ballot access and name recognition to really turn a race nationwide.
I want to amend what I said:
I want to amend what I said: yes, run Republicans, because we have the best chance of influencing things there, but run good Constitution Democrat candidates as well. Hell, if a district lends itself to it, run candidates in both parties and try to make sure we have one of our guys in office come election time.
It's hard enough to beat an incumbent - it's immeasurably harder to beat an incumbent with a third party/independent candidate. Of course, the next few years may change this quite a bit, especially if enough Kucinich liberals get sick of the Dem leadership.
Remeber why RP Ran as a Republican candidate
There are far too many roadblocks to third party candidates in place to realistically mount a third party attack. Of particular concern is access to the debates. This is why Ron Paul stayed in as a Republican. Even so, FOX managed to exclude him from some venues based on arbitrary rules.
I think the point of "taking over" the republican party (as many are starting to do locally) is the better approach. The people currently at the top won't like this, but, hey that's politics.
Help build the Jefferson Republican Party
That's what I'm doing locally.
Help me build the party.
Anti-statist, pro-life, pro constitution. No theorcracies.
Right now it's a local party in terms of elected members like City councils, but it is true Republicanism and the platform is based
on Jefferson's original democratic-republican party from 1790.
www.jeffersonrepublicanparty.org - national site
www.jeffersonrepublican.com - CA
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You left out anti pregnant
You left out anti pregnant youngster teen who doesn't want to be pregnant. Back alley abortion business will thrive and these teens will die. You don't know the meaning of pro life. You would sanction the destruction of a young woman for the sake of a mindless clump of cells.
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"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine" Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged p731
"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine" Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged p731
that's the platform
Protection of life is a big part of the party platform- period.
Read Dr. Paul's own opinion on this one from his CPAC speech in 2009.
I really don't care if you disagree on this one. Go join another party then who supports your beliefs. It's your right.
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Are you referring to Sarah
Are you referring to Sarah Palin's daughter?
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Alaska Gov. Palin's daughter's, boyfriend break up
By RACHEL D'ORO, Associated Press Writer
8 mins ago
WASILLA, Alaska – Levi Johnston and Bristol Palin, the teenage daughter of Gov. Sarah Palin, have broken off their engagement, he said Wednesday, about 2 1/2 months after the couple had a baby.
Johnston, 19, told The Associated Press that he and 18-year-old Bristol Palin mutually decided "a while ago" to end their relationship. He declined to elaborate as he stood outside his family's home in Wasilla, about 40 miles north of Anchorage.
He also said some details of the breakup, rumors of which had been swirling on the Internet, were inaccurate.
Bristol Palin said in a statement issued through a spokeswoman for her mother's political action committee that she was "devastated."
"Unfortunately, my family has seen many people say and do many things to `cash in' on the Palin name," she said. "Sometimes that greed clouds good judgment and the truth."
SarahPAC spokeswoman Meghan Stapleton did not immediately respond to requests for clarification.
The two teens are the parents of a boy named Tripp, who was born Dec. 27.
Sarah Palin revealed her daughter's pregnancy just days after being named John McCain's running mate on the Republican presidential ticket.
In an interview that aired on Fox News last month, Bristol Palin said her fiance saw the baby every day and described him as a "hands-on" dad.
The two had said they were considering a summer wedding.
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Associated Press writer Anne Sutton in Juneau contributed to this report.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
I'm voting for the Democrats, ....
I'm voting for the Democrats, the sooner they bankrupt the US and go in to a civil war, the sooner we can rebuild with out any parties. The way I see it, if we go in to a civil war those of us in the know can use the clause in the Declaration of Independence to change this absolute Despotism and provide new Guards for our future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these several states.
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I disagree....
the GOP is horribly damaged, but if anything, it's just a better opportunity for us to seize control. Rather than wait around for the Republicans to get their act into shape, let's just become the Republicans... Trust me, the saved time and effort will be worth it.
Remember, this is not the first time the GOP has been in hot water. Many believed that the Republican party was dead after Goldwater was defeated by the widest margin in history. And still more thought it was dead after the disaster and scandal of Nixon. They might not be in power again anytime soon... but if this country still exists, they'll find their way back. However, it's our responsibility to see to it that they adopt the principles we believe in. When you want something done right, you have to do it yourself.
Republican hope
I still think the Republicans aren't dead yet. It would be easier to try to take over the GOP than to do the third party thing. If I had to choose though, I would go for the Constitution Party. The LP is a mess and full of people I wouldn't turn my back on for second. The CP, for the most part, has a solid domestic and foreign policy. There are a few things I might take issue with, but that is why we have legisltive and judicial branches of goverment.
I agree with Rollo, voice of and sambachio - Ron Paul has said
many times that 3rd party isn't very workable because of the difficulty getting on ballots and because of media blackout. We're all familiar with it. He's already tried it. He must've been asked a million times if he would run 3rd party and he always said no. I do hope we can put pressure this time to allow 3rd parties into the debates though!
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