Obama Considers Moving Troops to Mexican Border
Submitted by Michael Nystrom on Thu, 03/12/2009 - 08:21WASHINGTON — President Obama weighed in Wednesday on the escalating drug war on the U.S.-Mexico border, saying that he was looking at possibly deploying National Guard troops to contain the violence but ruled out any immediate military move.
"We're going to examine whether and if National Guard deployments would make sense and under what circumstances they would make sense," Obama said during an interview with journalists for regional papers, including a McClatchy reporter.
"I don't have a particular tipping point in mind," he said. "I think it's unacceptable if you've got drug gangs crossing our borders and killing U.S. citizens."
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standing shoulder to
standing shoulder to shoulder, the unitedstatesians would need about 10 million troops to cover their entire southern border. that's assuming the mexicans wouldn't try to get across the border in crowds.
listen mexican folks, i don't care if you storm across the border by the millions, but goddammit, bring some salma hayek lookin muchachas and some of that mexican cerveza, would ya?
a little verde wouldn't hurt either, comprendeis, mis amigos?
U.S. Authorities are complicit in drug trade
Mexican President Calderone is now openly stating that there are U.S. Authorities involved with the drug cartels. www.rawstory.com/blog/2009/04/mexican-president-us-authoriti...
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Today in Los Angeles Times newspaper . . .
Stated on front page that drug and trafficking cartels were paying mexicans to protest against the mexican police.
Article advocates military assistance for police.
End the war on drugs.
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
The problem here is that...
The President of the United States should not be deploying guardsmen to the borders. The border States, ie..California, Arizona, and Texas have governors that are responsible for that. The governors of those states have the authority to do so if need be, it is not the responsibility of the president. If, the governors of those states say it is unnecessary that should be the final say. We do not need martial law because we know damn well that is what Obama will do.
I think
I think that when Bush deployed National Guard to Iraq, the expanded federal power..now the governors would have to ask the CIC for help, and since CA is legalizing and from reading the law, it looks like what CA is proposing is preparing for federal legalization, and if this is true, then the war on drugs is going to change, and why I think the whole topic is more a red hering than news.
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It is far more than drugs
It may have not yet appeared on the radar, but Mexico is on the verge of civil war. If it happens, then Mexico, especially near the northern border, and perhaps within Mexico City, will erupt in violence. It will be very bad, especially since the Mexican army and police are not only corrupt, they are in near-dissaray.
Obama's sending troops to the border is a) to prevent the violence from spilling into the U.S. And b) to provide combat assistance to the Mexica army if they are under seige.
I can assure you that Mexico is NOT on the verge...
of civil war. Any more than the US was on the verge of Civil War during the LA Riots in the 90's..... or during the Chicago Gangster days during prohibition of alcohol. The border areas are where the drugs get through to the US. That is therefore where most of the problems lie. But Civil War implies that in the entire country of Mexico the populace is rising up in an effort to change the government structure... or even to fight between the states. This is PURE BULL$%^T. I don't know how to say this more clearly. THE US MEDIA IS LYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is propaganda that has been circulating in the US media for the last few weeks. I read both of the articles under Joesmoe's headline and NEITHER ONE mention Civil War.
Don't fall for this. They WANT you to think this and it is simply NOT TRUE.
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You are using a very narrow definition of civil war.
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CHA-CHING!
do you have any sources?
where are you getting your information that Mexico is on the verge of civil war?
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it's bull the media is
it's bull the media is tossing out there to scare intelligent-americans away from expatriating to mexico.
i wouldn't worry about the cartels. you don't bother them, they won't bother you. it's mostly border violence anyway, and the border towns have always been sh*t.
anyway, all they're doing is trafficking drugs. what's so immoral about that?
Check the net
Just look around - there are quite a few stories about this. Also, check out Joesmoe's links just down the thread.
It'll be over drugs and corruption. Not pretty.
No idea about the timeline, however. But things are heating up.
Bad:
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/kristin-bricker/20...
Worse:
http://www.securitycornermexico.com/index.php?option=com_con...
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I live in southern california and well acquainted with Mexicans
here. And I ask them,"What do you think about the drug cartels?",
and the few I asked said they supported the mexicans and the people in the drug trade.
During the last twenty years, the NWO mindset has confiscated gross amounts of farm lands, and caused civil war a hand full of years ago.
The mexicans add, "That they (NWO) are shaving the tops off mountains and filling in the rivers for the "highway".
Mexican's are now peasants, meaning the own no land.
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
that's the other thing you
that's the other thing you don't hear is how patriotic the mexican drug cartels have become lately while watching the economic hitmen from murka come down there and pillage their country. i'd be exporting poison to those bastards' children too if i was them!
Is it any surprise that the
Is it any surprise that the Mexicans would be supportive of the people in the drug trade? How is that any different than all the people in the U.S. who are against the "war" on drugs?
It seems to me that most U.S. citizens and Mexicans have at least that much in common, we all want the government off our backs or off the backs of our fellow citizens. We all want to be truly free... one day...
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i *bleeping* knew it
this is sick.
evidently the zogby poll that went around a few weeks ago came back with positive views re: invading mexico.
i'm not a sage or a psychic.
sign up for zogby poll alerts. lie your ass off. and see into the future...
Aren't the states reponsible for deploying NG?
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This is much worst then you are hearing
.Enough is enough!!! Alot of talkiing but no one is really addressing the real problem....stop the cartel dead in their tracks!! Stop the money line. Legalize drugs and let the druggies exterminate themselves!
I agree with you txbluebonnet...
Stop the war on drugs, make them legal, and see how much these drug cartels dry up fast.
Notice how much money we give Mexico
I can't even think straight when I hear information like this. 1.4 billion dollars given away to Mexico for the "war on drugs" and more is on the way.
I don't think that the Army or the Marines should be stationed along the border, but we should have an adequate number of facilites and manpower dedicated to border control. Close down our bases in foreign countries and then build bases at intervals along the borders. Ideally, troops coming back from closed foreign bases could be allowed to "transfer" from other military branches to the National Guard. Personaly, I see no reason to have border patrol seperate from the National Guard. I feel that the National Guard should have that responsibility...to protect our nation from foreign intrusion. Shoot anyone, without discrimination, who is caught crossing the border illegally.
Have plenty of video surveillance as evidence of just cause. I might be wrong, but I don't think that any of our 160 or so bases on foreign soil offers us any protection at all. If you agree with Ron Paul, it actually creates more hatred towards us for our arrogance and interference in foreign lands.
I'm starting to rant too much so I'll end it here!
we gotta build bases because
we gotta build bases because we can't have too many of em coming across the border bidding down the inflated price of an already overabundant supply of unskilled labor. gringos might have to stop eating big macs and get off their asses and work for a change!
Yes, something is definitely fishy....
-- US maintains a ridiculous immigration policy for past 20 years thus enraging the US populace against Mexico.
-- US financial world keeps going for the last 20 years by promoting drugs and laundering drug money. (i.e. US has CLOSE relations with drug cartel leaders and their loot)
-- Drug violence in Mexico gains strength as US ENCOURAGES Mexico to arrest heads of drug cartels, thus creating hundreds of "sub-heads" who are warring with each other (I feel with US help)
-- About two months ago US starts a massive MEDIA blitz on "Mexico falling apart", "On verge of collapse", and "Just as dangerous as Pakistan"
-- US now starts talking more and more about using US troops to man the border. Getting the people and the governors to BEG for such action.
-- US now using "Mexico drug problem" as excuse to try to limit automatic weapons in US,.... since these weapons are "finding their way" into Mexican drug cartel hands.
-- US already wants to use US troops on US soil and is getting some resistance from the public.
-- US passes "Merida Initiative" which allows US to send weaponry, technology and "advisors" (anybody remember Vietnam) into Mexico.
Lets put the pieces together folks. It doesn't take a brain surgeon. Let's not be fooled again. The US wants the populace here and in Mexico BEGGING for US military intervention.... and voila... we will have done it again.
MEXICO is not our enemy
The Mexican PEOPLE are not our enemy
THE GOVERNMENT IS OUR ENEMY
Between their drug war - which should be ended by legalizing drugs - and their KNOWINGLY absurd immigration policies - the GOVERNMENT has manipulated this whole thing.
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I'm all for border
I'm all for border security.... but something about this just disturbs me.... I just don't trust Obama with using the military... I guess I'm just paranoid he'll start another war, or use it against the people or God knows what.
That's the same exact reason
That's the same exact reason why Article I section 8.1 and 8.11 of the Constitution exist. Because the founders did not trust the President, one individual, to use the military. Instead they had intended for the Congress to have that responsibility. But, we all know that the Congress is not all that responsible anyhow...
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I agree
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Something's just not right.
I will bet my pennies worth that in the near future, the MSM will start to pump propaganda in the area and grasp a hold of some martial law with some retarded story about people being killed from illegals trafficking drugs.
Let's not forget that the super-highway plans just fell off the face of the planet. Oh, need I forget about the population of RP supporters over there?
Something's not right.