Why isn't Ron Paul supporting the Parental Rights Amendment?

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He is not on the list of the co-sponsors. It is in response to the Convention of the Rights of the Child which Barbara Boxer is pushing. http://parentalrights.org/ has all of the information.

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Because it's a states rights issue.

Parental control, or lack thereof especially in education is traditionally a state's rights issue.

There is nothing federal in what you should or shouldn't be allowed to do with your children, your education, your schooling system. That's how it always should have been in my opinion.

I question the wisdom of those who set up a federally funded Department of Education as that sounds like a military outfit.

Why in the high heavens do we have a military focused outfit, in charge of something as local and supposedly free as education? Why indeed

Beware!

I took a quick peek and a red flag came up for me on section 2.
"...without demonstrating that its governmental interest as applied to the (person) is of the highest (order) and not otherwise (served)" brackets are mine
BEWARE! This reads that only if you follow the 'party line' will you have the traditional parental rights to exercise over your children. This needs more clarification.

My point is, it SOUNDS like the Federal Government is saying...

That there is a huge problem with parental rights, so the Federal Government needs to be brought in to babysit this whole issue and make the problem that much worse by passing legislation.....

When was it ever the Federal Government's job to nanny police all the parents and students regarding their rights on waivers or other programs?

Why is this NOT where it belongs, with the state's board of education, and with the actual people who do this for a living.

Section 2 is very carefully and safely worded

Check out the Answer Center on ParentalRights.org. They explain Section 2 here:
http://www.parentalrights.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={ADD732D6-2FA1-4117-B80E-FB598918C880}

Basically, as I understand it, section 2 makes sure that if a child's life is in danger (i.e. a child is being abused by a parent) the government can step in to fulfill it's responsibility to protect human life. But the "highest order" term is the highest and strictest possible legal test that exists in American courts. So the Parental Rights Amendment makes sure that the government meets the highest legal standards before infringing on parental rights. Plus, the "not otherwise served" term means that taking parental rights away has to be a last resort. Take a look at that link. The article gives the court cases that these terms come from. I think this section is confusing to a lot of us who aren't lawyers (I know it was kind of confusing to me before I heard the explanation) because it uses terms with specific legal meaning. But I guess that's a good thing since this would become part of the highest law in the U.S. if it's passed and ratified!!!

plus it sounds fishy

very fishy

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They played their game in

They played their game in Iran,,The people who would be patriots were brought out into the open. SILENCE is GOLDEN
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Take over the children &

Take over the children & capture their minds..Get rid of American values..NWO
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Like a lot of

legislation that is coming out, this bill is probably designed to do the exact opposite of what the title says.

Simply put

The solution is not for parents to have more rights, but for the state to have fewer rights.

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It isn't possible for a

It isn't possible for a state to have rights, as rights are inherent to the people. A state can only have powers.

I just received an email from Joanna Griffith

from parental rights dot org. Why are they pushing this if as someone below said it will actually undermine parental rights? Not sure which way to go on this one? Anyone have any further info on this?

So what does Michael Farris

have to gain from this amendment? Why would he put the second part in there?

This is a very important issue!

The UN Convention on the Rights of a Child should actually be called the UN Convention on the Stripping of Parental Authority Over Their Own Children. It is a heinous violation of the God-given and mandated authority of parents over their own children. I don't know much of the details of the amendment, but we cannot all this, or any other, UN treaty to usurp our freedoms.

So, we should fight the...

UN Convention on the Rights of a Child not with oposing legislation, but by withdrawing from the UN.

Assert Your Authority

Assert Your Authority

I hope that Dr. Paul will refrain from lending any support to

this proposed amendment to the Constitution. Section 2 of it is a practical magic carpet that:

1. Acknowledges and establishes a Constitutional right (for the leviathan state) to interfere with and assume control over the raising and education of children, and

2. Uses the judicially well-lubricated phrase of "governmental interest" that is:
a. of the highest interest (without defining what that is......having the
practical meaning of whatever congress wants it to mean and
whatever 5 members of the supreme court will accept)
b. not otherwise served. (not otherwise served by whom?)

Although the first section of the proposed amendment acknowledges a "fundamental right" for parents to raise and educate their children, the next section sets forth a loosely worded principle by which the statement or principle in Section 1 can (and will) be rendered ineffective. If it is truly the purpose of the proposed amendment, to acknowledge the fundamental rights of parents and protect those rights from government interference, then get rid of Section 2 and take away any possibility of the government's interference with that fundamental right acknowledged in Section 1. Otherwise, it's just a congressional and judicially-craftable mechanism by which the government will obtain some kind of constitutionally-official sanction in order to render obsolete those relatively few rights that parents still have in the raising and education of their offspring.

One can recall the original intent of those who insisted upon the inclusion of the 2nd amendment (just to pick one of many examples) and the congressional and judicial deterioration that amendment has experienced over the years......because someone thought it wise to include a phrase referencing a "state militia" as one example of why the right to keep and bear arms must not be infringed. With the operation of time and the nature of the leviathan state, look what happened. The "state militia" example was seized upon (it still is today) and treated as the *only* reason why such a right could not be infringed and precisely the vehicle by which the right has been, and is being, and will continue to be infringed.

May heaven help parents (and children) if this monstrosity, as it stands written, finds its way into the text of the U.S. Constitution.
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Because the bill is not a constitutional duty

of US Congress?

unfortunately

we need many of these retards on our side as there are too few of us who know what's going on. So please unretardize these zombies and have at least some of them understand something.

Good bye to the family

if this CRC passes!!!!! Any social workers out there?? You may want to look into another line of work................God help us!!!!

I'm sure Paul WILL be in support (if not already)

PS. This little item (CRC) is also straight out of the UN !!