Neo-Cons Try to Copy Ron Paul; Too Little, Too Late
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SUNDAY, MARCH 15, 2009
By Jen Terhune
There is a new phenomenon sweeping across the political landscape. It’s the new “revolution” complete with meet-up groups and tea parties. It’s full of the usual rhetoric about the out-of-control politicians in Washington. What’s strange is that this “movement” is full of new faces that were nowhere to be seen during the Ron Paul Revolution. This new “movement” is being promoted by the Republican party, and neo-con hacks like Glenn Beck - who all did their absolute utmost to slander, squelch, and stop the Ron Paul Revolution.
Hmmmm... it makes you wonder, doesn’t it? Now that there’s no chance of electing Ron Paul for President and getting REAL change; now that we have safely installed our new boss Obama that is so like the old boss Bush and working so harmoniously with the controlled opposition candidate McCain; now that Republicans have someone they can safely criticize and still be “in” with their party cronies; now that it is “safe” to say you support the Constitution and the Founding Fathers (because now “safe” people like Glenn Beck are saying it); now the timid hordes of controlled, mind-numbed Republicans are once again being herded into a controlled opposition movement.
Because that’s what this movement is. The “establishment” or the “new world order” or whatever you want to call them, were frightened by the Ron Paul movement. There were a lot of us; and, for the most part, we were dedicated, passionate, and educated about freedom, which was very much a threat to the establishment. We were breaking through the “left-right paradigm” that has been used so successfully for so many years to control the people of this country.
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People didn't get it
Because the media made sure they wouldn't get it. BUT, things are changing. People are really getting mad and becoming aware. Glenn Beck showed the full Thomas Paine video from YouTube on today. It was an awesome video and the man told it like it is. And Glenn interviewed him. What more do you want?
I am not happy that they didn't get is sooner. We kept telling them but they wouldn't listen. But sometimes this happens. People have to wait until it is hitting them personally before they get their head out of the sand. We can be mad but it is not productive.
We have to move forward and now we can finally show them all of the things we have been wanting to show them.
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"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
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The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22
Subtle Fox
Murdoch is NWO. He is CFR. He is subtle. He will allow Beck and perhaps others to masquerade as anti-NWO to fool people. It's safe for them because Obama is president and this country is going down fast. Once people have accepted them as RP liberty types, they will use this to lead them astray towards the NWO. This is meant to try to remove all remaining resistance to the NWO. Don't be fooled. The King of England is not going to truly rally forces against the King of England.
The true resistance is moving forward. Without Fox.
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Keep in mind that Ruppert Murdoch is a CFR member. He is for the NWO. RP is against the NWO. It would seem that now that RP has no chance to be Pres and the Fed has our money that he is allowing some lackeys like Beck to appear pro RP to suck in gullible viewers. Once that con game is rolling, then Fox will reel them in to the NWO, Neocon camp. Very subtle
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Better Late Than Not At All
Welcome. A revolution BEGINS with one.
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Sums it up for me.
Since we know the liberty
Since we know the liberty routine better than "they" do, it's up to us to lead and inform them.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
It's up to us to make sure that the People get the right info.
The media that is leading this can not be trusted and they will mislead people.
Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
-P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian
AKA GIVE ME FREEDOM
Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
-P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian
AKA GIVE ME FREEDOM
A controlled opposistion
A controlled opposistion movement like that also can serve as a steam valve. People who have the integrity to try to fix the system and the motivation to TRY to fix the system because they are so pissed off at current events get sucked into a system like that get run around the gerbal cage for a few hundred revolutions , realize they've gone exactly nowhere then quit. Its sad to think they could have found the ron paul revolution and lost the apathy permenantly and got educated in the process.
"We must re-take the Republican Party"-Ron Paul. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlqXq8YxQFQ
The pretenders are out in force...
in Oregon. So many Neo-Cons are now talking about the Constitution, and Liberty. Where the hell were they when Bush was in office? I'm sticking with the Constitution Party until the Republicons can prove that they have really changed.
Perhaps it is finally time
Perhaps it is finally time to forgive them and school them on the right way to lead a revolution. We are small and vocal alone, but with our combined strengths (and a message that is not watered down) we can move mountains.
As a Libertarian, I would welcome any broadening of the liberty message, even if it involves the co-opting (and scolding) of a weakened, wandering Republican base.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
Still, even a little is
Still, even a little is better than nothing, and everyone's gotta start somewhere. The further we can move the mainstream GOP'ers in the next year and a half, or three and a half years, the better the candidates we will have to choose amongst in the coming elections.
I think maybe you got the
I think maybe you got the wrong take on it Jen. You had some point in your life when it clicked. Maybe that was their turning point. Some people still haven't "seen the light" but when they do are you going to run them off by saying " where were you when we needed you?" Blah blah bs. If you were a true supporter you might think, so what if Glen Beck or whomever jumps on the bandwagon that will get some exposure to someone who needs to see it. It's free national tv air time to ALOT of viewers. I'm mad as hell just like alot of people are but you have to focus your energy on productive ways to fight the establishment.
good luck to you
Michael S.
Michael Scallia-->Tennessee State Representative for The Order of Constitution Defenders
Co-opting the movement?
This article makes some interesting points, but I am not so sure that the movement is being co-opted by any concerted effort on the part of Neo-Cons; rather, I believe that many of the Tea Party people lack an ideological understanding of the movement--of the economy, of non-interventionist foreign policy, even of the Constitution. Diluting the movement, however, has the same effect of a conspiracy to kill it. These people need to be exposed to what RP thinks, if their anger is to serve any meanful purpose.
However, I am with Average Jane on this one. I had my "conversion experience" the night before the election, after I heard someone on TV say that "the only ones who haven't made up their minds are the stupid ones." Sorry, lady, but in the months before the election I had my mind in the clouds, reading about the Founding Fathers, Paine's Common Sense, the Revolutionary War, and God knows what else. But then again, that is what brought me to RP and the Daily Paul...
I'm rereading this post and damn it, I'm being too polite. Sorry that in your eyes, I wasn't available at the right time to make a difference in the movement. Sorry I missed the RP love train. Sorry you smashed my sense of optimism. Back to the eighteenth century for me...maybe if I ignore it, the whole terrible reality will go away.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.
Better Late Than Not At All
Welcome. A Revolution BEGINS with one.
This seems weird......
I fully understand that you have the right to be upset because people were not paying attention when it was important. I understand that you are frustrated because you have been screaming the truth at the top of your lungs for some time only to hear silence back. I, in fact, was one of those people who apparently was living under a a rock because I never really heard of Ron Paul. Sure, I woke up, but by then it was too late. After Obama took office and began to take drastic actions, many people like me started searching for something, anything to help us understand the mess we have gotten ourselves into. People are waking up, and you feel its important that you "get all the credit", or "an apology" instead of being overjoyed to see people use the words liberty and freedom? Why should any of that matter? Isn't the REAL purpose to bring people together with the message of freedom not anger? Why is it bad if people watch Glenn Beck? Sure he is a little slimy but hey, if it gets people thinking about freedom and liberty, I for one am glad they are watching. It just seems that people should not be punished for "not knowing" or coming late to the game. I am not a bad person, but I was very unaware. Its not too late for people to get involved, just the other day I passed out a hundred or so fliers urging people to contact their reps about HR 1207. Look, I am sorry that I woke up late, and I would apologize to Dr. Paul a million times, but an angry message like this will only put off people who are searching for a peaceful message of freedom.
Welcome aboard
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***We now return you to your regularly scheduled "programming".***
I welcome you.
But, please understand that this anger, and mine as well, is derived from the fact that it is really too late - as the MIAC document in Missouri demonstrates to a "T". Many of us have been yelling for the last 8 years or more, or at least the last 2. So, you are suddenly affected by a Democrat contintuing all of Bush's policies and your money is crapping out and it woke you up - that is good thing. But, understand that waking at the height of crisis is not necessarily commendable either.
You have invaded two nations and killed well over a million people and lost (in reality) over 20,000 of my brothers in the Army and Marines because of falsehoods and a false-flag attack called 9-11. Is there any forgiveness for that? You have let the Banksters steal almost all of our wealth and we are on the way to becoming a third-world economy because the idea that the Federal Reserve and Income Tax were scams was only believable to the kooks and conspiracy theorists. Is there forgiveness for that? You let the Bill of Rights disappear and the very concept of property and individual liberty go almost extinct because of blind party loyalty and because religious preachers told you to. Is there forgiveness for you?
As for me, I forgive you and welcome your help. But I hope you forgive me for being hesitant. I can't participate in the latest Tea Party craze either because I would just end up condemning everyone with an anti-Obama sign who is only pretending to have suddenly found morality and knowledge, in my opinion, and will soon go back to their tribal chest-beating. Mostly, I hope you understand the emotions behind this backlash - hopefully it will not last long and will pass. And, hopefully you will stand strong through the storm and prove your worth as a fellow patriot.
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"We are the inheritors of the American Enlightenment, which tells us that Individual Liberty always trumps collectivism in all forms."
www.libertyrestorationproject.org
"We are the inheritors of the American Enlightenment, which tells us that Individual Liberty always trumps collectivism in all forms."
you seem to be insinuating
that I am to blame for having invaded 2 nations and killing thousands of Troops, which I really find offensive being a former Marine. you claim that money issues "woke me up" when honestly that is the furthest from the truth. You claim that I am to blame for the banksters stealing the American's wealth, and that I let the Bill of Rights disappear. With all of the allegations you place upon me, I suppose I should be drawn and quartered. I have not participated in any tea party (although I am certainly not against them), nor do I have "blind party loyalty" as I have been an Independent all of my voting life until I joined the Libertarian Party recently. And lastly, I am not following any religious preachers' orders as I have always been agnostic. What I am trying to say is that this kind of very personal attack is not only unwarranted, but it is just plain mean. But, if you feel it is warranted, what can I do? I would like to thank you for being aware when the rest of us were not, for that you deserve much appreciation. But please do not mistake that gratitude for a request of forgiveness on your part. I do not want to cause a big argument, but I felt it necessary to respond.
Thank you for the reply
I wasn't trying to blame you specifically for anything. As a veteran, when people ask me how I feel about Iraq/Afghan fiascos, I usually reply that the members of the military took an oath and essentially made a deal with the citizens: they would put their blood on the line and the people would only send them if necessary and with their blessing. Well, the military members have kept their end of the bargain, but have the people? I think every citizen should be held accountable for sending troops to Iraq and occupying a country. The war is the property of the people. Thank you for your service and I didn't mean to insult you.
I suppose I was a bit defensive after being invited to Tea Parties by status Republicans with "Sudden Integrity Syndrome" and being told that I was right now that it is too late. So, naturally, I am suspicious.
I do apologize - I really wasn't trying to insult you - I didn't write my thoughts very well. And I definitey do not seek to punish anyone (especially drawing and quartering). My use of the word "you" was encompassing of all those who did not participate in the Freedom Movement until a crisis hits - and I agree that is unfair to generalize.
I am not religious either, and again that was a generalization of a society that wasn't concerned with Liberty or sound money until a crisis hits and it's too late. (I was pretty bummed yesterday from Bernake printing another 1.1 Trillion yesterday without telling anyone) But, your reply, along with the response to the MIAC document recently, has actually made me rethink that position. Actually, I am feeling pretty good about our movement today Perhaps it is not too late?
www.libertyrestorationproject.org
"We are the inheritors of the American Enlightenment, which tells us that Individual Liberty always trumps collectivism in all forms."
www.libertyrestorationproject.org
"We are the inheritors of the American Enlightenment, which tells us that Individual Liberty always trumps collectivism in all forms."
Warm welcome aboard, Average Jane;
it's GREAT to have you with us.
It will be interesting
To see how this controlled opposition will support liberty minded candidates for house and senate. It will be my guess that the focus will be on meaninless controlled protests, and then when it comes time to actually put liberty minded people into office, we will get a slate of pre-approved candidates to vote for. If they can use up our political energy worrying about iran, worrying about how we should spend the stimulus money (instead of how to undo the stimulus), and staging protests that don't accomplish anything, then when it comes time to actually expend the energy to find the right people to put into office, we'll all be tapped out.
Also they will continue to marginalize RP type candidates. This happened just the other day when they had Dr Paul on Larry King with Alec Baldwin. No one takes Alec Baldwin seriously, and to put Dr Paul on to "debate" him was degrading.
So I would expect for these mock protests to be accompanied by interviews with people like Dr Paul, but they will have him split screened with someone like David Koresh. The message will be that all of these ideas are too radical for the normal person.
a more effective solution
in my mind would be to focus our political energy on electing liberty minded people to our local and state levels of government. In our states we can be alot more effective supporting local reps, councilmen, school board members, commissiononers, senators, and goverernors. I think this would drive a change at the federal level, we can already see this starting to happen with the state soveriegnty bills etc.
Disgusting isn't it?
Here's what to do, join their meetup groups and keep repeating our message. I know, we deserve all the credit and Ron Paul needs to be apologized to, but we need to mobilize and tell them all they are still for Big Government if they continue to support pre-emptive war.
If they talk of terror and Iraq, say, "Oh, so you're a Big Government supporter? It's a paradox to be for small government at home and big government abroad." Then tell them it doesn't matter what they are for since we can't sustain it anyway. Maybe now that they realize the economy is crumbling they might get it. And be nice and "sell it." They are putty in our hands right now.
dissent IS patriotic
The whole point is that everyone should feel empowered to have their own opinion. Just like economic bubbles, there are social bubbles, where people all get on the same bandwagon about something. Groupthink is nearly always bad.
It's too late
to get RP in the White House but there is a good chance that he could become the prime republican candidate for 2012 if this sort of thing continues.
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
Wait a sec
If what you report is true, this is a good thing in my view. OK, so they didn't support Ron Paul last year, but now the message is sinking in and taking hold. I don't see a problem. They won't give Ron Paul credit of course, but that's the least of it. They are (if what you say is correct) starting to sew the seeds of change.
What’s strange is that this “movement” is full of new faces that were nowhere to be seen during the Ron Paul Revolution. This new “movement” is being promoted by the Republican party, and neo-con hacks like Glenn Beck - who all did their absolute utmost to slander, squelch, and stop the Ron Paul Revolution.
OK, so they came late to the Revolution - so what? And if the Republicans are behind it, so much the better - that's Ron Paul's party. Glenn Beck is not a neo-con hack. Sean Hannity is. If you saw the interview with Beck and Ron Paul - Beck said he felt like kissing him. Ron just smiled and blinked. Beck is OK. Lay off. Go after Hannity, O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh. They are the real flies in the oinment.
Hmmmm... it makes you wonder, doesn’t it? Now that there’s no chance of electing Ron Paul for President and getting REAL change; now that we have safely installed our new boss Obama that is so like the old boss Bush and working so harmoniously with the controlled opposition candidate McCain; now that Republicans have someone they can safely criticize and still be “in” with their party cronies; now that it is “safe” to say you support the Constitution and the Founding Fathers (because now “safe” people like Glenn Beck are saying it); now the timid hordes of controlled, mind-numbed Republicans are once again being herded into a controlled opposition movement.
That paragraph was a real mess! But I don't see anybody being herded. They are waking up. Big difference. They are slowly realizing that Ron Paul was right all along. He won't get the credit per se, but he's on TV pretty regularly now and Republicans (including Beck) are realizing that what he has been saying since 1988 is on-target. No problem.
Because that’s what this movement is. The “establishment” or the “new world order” or whatever you want to call them, were frightened by the Ron Paul movement. There were a lot of us; and, for the most part, we were dedicated, passionate, and educated about freedom, which was very much a threat to the establishment. We were breaking through the “left-right paradigm” that has been used so successfully for so many years to control the people of this country.
I don't agree with that. If some republicans are waking up to Obama and his plans for socialism and a New World Order, they are beginning to resist it. Admittedly, not all - many are 'made' guys and are members of the CFR (as is Obama, Mrs. Obama, Bush, Cheney, Rove, etc). But the writing is on the wall: the new plans are not working. Many are now questioning the existence of, and necessity for, the FED. Others are outraged that the AIG bailout has gone to bonuses for the executives. They are indeed waking up to the vast trouble we face and many are fighting against it.
I think all of this is a very good sign. Whether it will result in any real or meaningful change is the question to be asking.
She's got him pegged right
Glenn Beck is a neocon hack. His technique is more subtle, but he still belongs in the same class as Hannity, O'Reilly and Limbaugh.
I may be naive, but I think
I may be naiive, but I think Glenn Beck might actually be genuine. If you watch the reports from when he called Guy Fawkes a terrorist up till now, I think you will start to see a steady transition. The other talking heads on the other hand, seem to have only come around after Obama's election.
He's a late bloomer. I will
He's a late bloomer. I will accept his change to our side.