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Didn't we expect our message to eventually go mainstream? I know I did... Wasn't that the original goal?

I understand that many of you find it aggravating to now see Glenn Beck preach the message of freedom and liberty to millions of television viewers... I understand your frustration. Where was he during the 2008 presidential campaign? I get it.

Some people are calling him a shameless self-promoter who sees an opportunity for recently re-branding himself towards a more libertarian philosophy. Granted, he's still pro-war and doesn't understand the importance of a sensible foreign policy... But for all we know that might change in the near future... I don't know.

I however don't see the harm. As long as this supposed phony self-promoter talks about our anti-Fed, anti-politician, anti-global government, anti-one world currency, anti-big government, and pro-constitution message, I'm all for it.

I couldn't care less about his personality. I'm just glad that he's waking many people up to many of the same subjects we preach.

I think that this will only help the Campaign for Liberty recruit more people and get our freedom message even more into the mainstream. The mere fact that Fox News is even allowing him to air this stuff, is a sign that we're winning. I mean, didn't we expect our message to eventually go mainstream? I know I did. That was the goal!

So now to my question: Could someone please share with us in detail a possible scenario of what Glenn Beck could say or do that would get people to stop learning the powerful freedom message that we all understand and preach?

I want to understand what some think he could actually do to stop the freedom message from growing... I mean, I know I'm not going to stop spreading the message... Why would I?

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I agree with the OP. Some

I agree with the OP. Some people don't have enough faith in the message to applaud it no matter who says it. We don't need to focus so much on the individuals, although we do need to keep an eye on them for sure.

Ventura 2012

Don't be so naive

The MSM right wing phonies are trying to recuperate the gullible members of our movement and start an idiot rebellion. For the good name of the true freedom movement, please do not wait for Fox News, owned by an Australian married to a connected Chinese woman, to save America. Are you people really that foolish? Remember the proverb about the snake that wanted the man to carry him up the mountain? Glenn Beck, Rush, and the others are, and always will be, snakes, and they WILL bite you! Steer clear of any demonstrations promoted by Beck & friends. Once the protests get large enough, they will provocateur them and crack down.

Stossel and Napolitano

So judges of purity of all political thought. How about John Stossel? He admittedly has made a major conversion. How about Andrew Napolitano (SP?) on Fox. Who pays his check? Sure it is a small sample but good things are happening out there.

I would bet that those of you purists who have figured out all angles of the conspiracy have this same view of everyone. If people don't drink all 55 gallons of Kool Aid at once they must be the enemy. Where is YOUR tolerance? Where is your empathy for the intellectual journey by your fellow man? I would bet that your actions and attitudes turn off 10 converts for each one who may listen. It is an embarrassment that all this hatred is centered on someone who appears to be growing in understanding. If you can't see any good here we have lost. Please just unplug your computers and continue to buy all the food and ammo you can and prepare for the end. Get out of the way of the rest of us who may hold hope for humanity.

Many Are Just Trying To Divide

I don't care if Beck, Rush, Bob Barr, et al, are all closet pederasts. It's the message that matters.

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

All that's happening is they

All that's happening is they want to whip us up into a frenzy, so they can use force to quell the resulting revolt. That's why they're airing what they've been trying to suppress for so long, added to the fact that it's all coming out anyway. Really, guys, this ain't rocket science...

You mean

"Don't ever let a FEMA camp go to waste!"?

Who is "they"? They is us!

Who is "they"? They is us! The frenzy starts and stops here most of the time.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore

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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore

Exactly!

If you own a gun and stand with your community YOU ARE THE BACKBONE OF THIS COUNTRY.

Seriously, if this country is invaded who do you think is going to have to repel it -- DHS?

We've already been invaded from the South and the only one is going to do anything US just like the minutemen who have done more than all of border patrol.

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Glenn Beck Supports NAFTA and Taking American Jobs:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/86643
Glen Beck says RP Supporters are "Domestic Terrorists":
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/86773

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Glen Beck -- An Exposed Enemy:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/90198
Glenn Beck Supports NAFTA and taking your job:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/86643

Take Rush Limbaugh as an example

He along with others took Reagan Republicans and over time lead them to be neocons. They were like us at first but then over the years he lead millions of people into should I say it Fascisim. I am afraid Beck will slowly over time do the same thing or something similar. The mouthpiece often becomes the leader, like it or not. We cannot let him become the leader.

I used to listen to Rush in the early days

back when he made sense. I remember him when he could rip big gaping holes in Hilarycare.

Without integrity, it's all just mouth noises. And integrity must be proven ... or disproven.

You've got guys like Napolitano and Stossel (and RP) on one hand, and people like Glenn Beck on the other. Don't get confused as to which hand is which.

~jaq

~jaq

I agree

Goldwater, in '64, is touted as the "beginning" of the "conservative" movement. Even then, there was a lot of enthusiasm from young people for the message of limited government.

The Goldwater grassroots groups that had sprung up coast to coast were centralized by the national head of the Goldwater campaign. Once that occurred the organization received a political purge. There were to be no Birchers in the national campaign for Goldwater presidency. It could be said, Goldwater was never the same.

The Republican party of Taft has been hi-jacked, and the media is part of the deception. Who runs Faux news? Roger Ailes . . . head of media for Nixon, and other Republicrats
http://www.forward.com/articles/3673/

Organization, and this is where the Campaign for Liberty, and Ron Paul's leadership - and why not, the Daily Paul is included - becomes important. There are new members joining our forces every day, and we need them to start our ball rolling. Otherwise, and many people are right about this, the neocons will take over. Our message needs to be strong, and it needs to be local. The Ron Paul revolution needs to be the craigslist of political organization.

$##We need to build political strength and political will&&*

We need to build political strength and political will.

Limbaugh is not a neo-con.

Limbaugh is not a neo-con. He is a Buckley/Reagan conservative (which was libertarianism fused with anti-communism) .

Would a "neo-con" have Walter Williams and Jason Lewis guest host his show?

If Paul was the nominee, I guarantee Limbaugh would fight to get him elected.

Neoconservatism

They were neocons all the way through. Here's why, they essentially supported American empire.

An aspect of neoconservatism is what could be called Wilsoniasm, a belief that America has some mandate from heaven to spread democracy around the world. This belief in "world order," the kind supported by WWI Wilson, betrays the left-wing origin of neoconservatism.

#$#We need to build political strength and political will&*)

We need to build political strength and political will.

How long have you been listening to Rush?

I remember back in the 90's when Rush was an avid opponent of NAFTA. He was excellent ... could make all the arguments against it. (80% of the American voters were against NAFTA and Rush had a lot to do with it). Then, one day, he suddenly decided that "NAFTA would be good for the US." Why? "Well, errrr, well, hurrrumph, well, uh, well, I just think it'd be a good thing." That was my last day as a Rush fan, the last day I stopped what I was doing to tune into the show. On that day he proved he was bought and paid for by the NWO and could no longer be trusted.

Do they give him a long leash? Sure! They know they have to ... just to keep up his credibility with the dittoheads (which also ought to tell us something).

I know a handicapped person who listens to Rush religiously ... every single day. In the middle of the presidential campaign, I asked this person if Rush ever mentioned Ron Paul on his show. The answer was an emphatic "no, never." Since Rush didn't mention him, the person considered Paul a nobody ... not to be taken seriously.

You're right, Limbaugh is not a neo-con. He's your garden variety egomaniacle prostitute.

Limbaugh IS a NEOCON and disrespects Ron Paul constantly

Ron Paul is NOT a LIBERTARIAN or a '3rd Party".

Scumbaugh needs to get his act straight because he only represents a handful of Neocons right now and they probably like Palin more.

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Glenn Beck Supports NAFTA and Taking American Jobs:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/86643
Glen Beck says RP Supporters are "Domestic Terrorists":
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/86773

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Glen Beck -- An Exposed Enemy:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/90198
Glenn Beck Supports NAFTA and taking your job:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/86643

I hope you are right

but he brought the house down at the CPAC.

Glenn Beck airings

I for one will take the message of freedom from Beck, what ever his motives.
The air time he is giving us we can't get ourselves. He is allowing the message to reach millions!! I feel it will only help recruit more people for the Campaign for Liberty. I certainly don't agree on everything that he believes, but there are many issues he talks about that are near and dear to my heart. He is actually saying what we have been trying to get out to the masses for months now and connecting with them and at a time which is a critical turning point for Liberty.
You don't have to like the man but as long as he is spreading the message of freedom I am all for it.

Amen


The Glenn Beck of today is a far cry from the old Glenn Beck. He's new and improved and I like the guy.

That said, the real demons in the media are Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and the execrably Mike Savage. They do a lot of harm to the cause of freedom.

Beck is OK.

Here is your "new and improved" Beck:

Glenn Beck Supports NAFTA and Taking American Jobs:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/86643

I almost feel sorry you fell for this guy.

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Glen Beck says RP Supporters are "Domestic Terrorists":
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/86773

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Glen Beck -- An Exposed Enemy:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/90198
Glenn Beck Supports NAFTA and taking your job:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/86643

Maybe I need to learn more

Maybe I need to learn more about this subject but is Free Trade bad in in of itself or is it simply that you think the idea of free trade was hijacked by the NWO?

From recently revisiting Bastiat's "The Law", it seems that the basic idea of free trade is good. But like everything else, the politicians have hijacked a good idea and made it bad. Beck didn't say that he supported all of nafta, he simply refers to it as an agreement we made and never mentions it again. Beck often does this when the people who oppose something they are for on the other end to point out their hypocrisy. That doesn't mean he is for nafta.

This video seems to show that he is for the basic idea of free trade, but again, isn't the idea at the core of free trade good?

I think we shouldn't be so divided about this Beck thing. Yes, he's changed some views recently but they've not been sudden and have followed a logical progression. So he isn't 100% there when it comes to a few things, but he is making some great progress. I'd actually be more concerned if he were 100% there overnight. Sometimes the road to freedom is a gradual progression as it was for me.

It's Psychological; Many People Fear Success

And many more are too comfortable being considered "outsiders." Frankly, I don't care if Beck (to use just one example) is sincere or not. If the message is getting out through him, even if only in a small way as some would argue, it is a sign of two things: 1) The message is spreading enough that the MSM is forced to deal with us, and 2) We may actually be converting some of the alleged "enemy."

These are good things, imo.

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

Uh, read your own Goebbels quote ... you're falling for it.

Or, you can consider who pays Beck's salary and figure that's who he's working for.

Obviously, You're Missing The Point

Or did you bother to read my post? Hard to otherwise explain your non-sequitir.

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels

agreed.

agreed.

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I agree also. So maybe he's a paid

actor; who cares? The other side has the money to buy lots of actors, airtime, shills. If we get one for free, yay.
It's Glenn's business if he's sincere or not. I can't judge his soul, it's my business to help turn the tide of American opinion toward freedom. Anyone who is influencing others in that direction is doing good work. The instant someone strays or heads the wrong way, we should be vigilant to help guide them back.
Freedom is a big tent, but it's mostly empty in here. Let's bring in as many as possible, it's our only chance.

First of all, why ANYONE

First of all, why ANYONE watching these channels? Did you get an idea just yet? And why are we arguing about this character over here?

Glenn Beck is part of the NWO

According to Alex Jones and Jack McLamb www.jackmclamb.com Glenn Beck is part of the NWO otherwise FOX wouldn't have hired him. www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7dmh7RWNxM The NWO is using Glenn to impersonate a Libertarian to make it look like the GOP is starting a revolution of their own. They want to keep power between the 2 parties which are run by the same rich elite under the same agenda. That's the reason for singling out the Ron Paul republicans and Campaign For Liberty people as potential terrorists in the MO report. The people in power see Ron Paul as a real threat to their power. Notice how Peter Schiff and Ron Paul haven't been on the Glenn Beck show since he switched over to FOX? Now, FOX does have Ron Paul and Peter Schiff on the internet TV on FOX's strategy room. My guess is the old adage, keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws - Mayer Amschel Rothschild

I disagree


Alex Jones, who is often right, is a huckster himself. I do not know Jack McLamb.

Fox has boycotted Ron Paul for a long time, esp after winning all of the post-debate polls. Beck works for Fox and the guys 'upstairs' call the shots. He is an employee and has little say about who his guests are.

During the campaign, Beck was very kind to Ron Paul, and even said - at one point - that he wanted to kiss him. Paul smiled and blinked, unsure of how to respond to that.

To understand Beck and Fox, you must understand how the networks function and who the 'talent' reports to.

Beck is doing pretty well these days, considering.

You can take this one to the bank ...

Rupert Murdock pays Glenn Beck's salary. Glenn Beck does whatever NWO creep Rupert Murdock wants done. Nothing more, nothing less.

Peter Schiff was on GB

Now I'm not saying we should blindly follow GB. But I think he is coming around. I heard the interview with Jack McLamb and he didn't really have an opinion on GB until Alex stated his case about his thoughts on GB.

But I think even Alex may come around on GB. Alex Jones mentions here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nRn3BBui4M

that he thinks Rush, Beck, and Savage are coming around to some degree.