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What's going on with Obama's 'volunteerism' agenda?
Submitted by LastAmericanStanding on Fri, 03/20/2009 - 19:49
Hey, what's the deal with the plan to kidnap the kids? I thought I read here the other day it had passed the house. I tried to look it up to do a full read and I can't find it. Does anyone know where I can get a look at the actual bill... or at least an accurate synopsis? Thanks. » |
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Re: mandatory volunteer
You can read this bill at http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1388/text
There is nothing in it that states mandatory anything. I searched for some of the wording in the post where a guy claims to be quoting and none of it was there. The entire paragraph that he has in bold isn't even in the bill. Only twice in the entire bill does the word mandatory even appear and it is in reference A: to organizations not being eligible and for what reasons, one of which is organizations that have mandatory religious learning. and B: regarding the learning of these programs and that schools which have less than a certain amount of participants will not get funding. There is nothing that says we all, or our kids will be forced to serve, either in military or community service or any of the other crap I've heard being spouted. Do some research before you start believing everything you hear from people who are trying to make the new president look bad any way they can.
I hunted down the bill and read it after hearing the crap being spouted and fearing that it might be true. So benefit from my not being too lazy to research and check out that link before you automatically accuse me of being wrong or a liar or uninformed, or unintelligent or whatever else you might be thinking right now.
That's what I came up with as well...
Although I did read that the verbiage about the 'study' to make volunteerism mandatory was yanked from the final and inserted in another bill.
Hard to keep track of professional liars...
That's why we need a smaller government.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Check out
Michelle Malkin's web site. She's been all over this piece of crap!
michellemalkin.com
They're hiding it so we don't bring out the rope to......
hang more of these banksters like the tree of liberty demands. *****
ask Hitler
he did the same thing...
Let 'em do it.
Let them pass this. The moment they try to enforce the "mandatory volunteer-ism" then we can challenge it as unconstitutional.
Better to have it in case law as unconstitutional than to spend our lives batting down repeated attempts to get a law passed.
You mean like prohibition?
That lasted thirteen years, by the way.... that's an entire generation.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Prohibition was first passed as an amendment
it ended when the amendment was removed.
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I already volunteer 24/7 helping people with problems concerning local and state government. Do you think that will suffice to fulfill my duty to public service? I doubt it very much! It will be service based on THEIR selection.
The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act, known as the GIVE Act, was passed March 18th in the House of Representatives by a 321-105 margin. It's a plan for America's children in middle school, high school, and college. And now it goes to the Senate.
HR 1388 EH is 310 pages the sum total of which makes this a near "cradle-to-grave" issue!
Notice the proposal to change "National Senior Volunteer Corp" to "National Senior Service Corp". (see: SEC. 1606. EVALUATION AND ACCOUNTABILITY.)
Also notice what amounts to data collections that will be necessary to fulfill "SEC 1606 EVALUATION AND ACCOUNTABILITY." Among the data need are:
"(vi) measures to ascertain the change in attitude toward civic engagement among the participants and the beneficiaries of the service;"
The following -- from Subtitle B‹Amendments to Title II-- is especially for Seniors (over 55 crowd):
SEC. 200. STATEMENT OF PURPOSE. It is the purpose of this title to provide ‹
(1) opportunities for senior service to meet unmet local, State, and national needs in the areas of education, public safety, emergency and disaster preparedness, relief, and recovery, health and human needs, and the environment;
[...]
(6) for research, training, demonstration, and other program activities to increase and improve opportunities for people 55 years of age or older to meet unmet needs, including those related to public safety, public health, and emergency and disaster preparedness, relief, and recovery, in their communities.¹¹.
"Neighborhood Associations" are cropping up all over the country. These groups are connected to "Asset Based Community Development" (ABCD) which I suspect connects to HR 1388.
ABCD is about surveying (collecting data) on "neighborhood assets" which include: residents (knowledge, skills, and social connections), facilities/structures (public & private), businesses, organizations, social networks etc. And then mobilizing/using "assets" (including people) in whatever ways that serve to fulfill the objectives of city/county/state/federal planners.
P.S. Read the bill http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1388
For more on this bill
please go to thomas.gov and use the printer friendly version if you so choose. ctrl F will let you search the document via your browser for key words.
Where does the act say you
Where does the act say you are required to do service?
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(b) Specific Topics- In carrying out its general purpose under subsection (a), the Commission shall address and analyze the following specific topics:
(1) The level of understanding about the current Federal, State, and local volunteer programs and opportunities for service among individuals in the United States.
(2) The issues that deter volunteerism and national service, particularly among young people, and how the identified issues can be overcome.
(3) Whether there is an appropriate role for Federal, State, and local governments in overcoming the issues that deter volunteerism and national service and, if appropriate, how to expand the relationships and partnerships between different levels of government in promoting volunteerism and national service.
(4) Whether existing databases are effective in matching community needs to would-be volunteers and service providers.
(5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.
(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.
(7) The need for a public service academy, a 4-year institution that offers a federally funded undergraduate education with a focus on training future public sector leaders.
(8) The means to develop awareness of national service and volunteer opportunities at a young age by creating, expanding, and promoting service options for elementary and secondary school students, through service learning or other means, and by raising awareness of existing incentives.
(9) The effectiveness of establishing a training program on college campuses to recruit and educate college students for national service.
(10) The effect on United States diplomacy and foreign policy interests of expanding service opportunities abroad, such as the Peace Corps, and the degree of need and capacity abroad for an expansion.
(11) The constraints that service providers, nonprofit organizations, and State and local agencies face in utilizing federally funded volunteer programs, and how these constraints can be overcome.
(12) Whether current Federal volunteer programs are suited to address the special skills and needs of senior volunteers, and if not, how these programs can be improved such that the Federal Government can effectively promote service among the `baby boomer' generation.
It says "the Commission shall address and analyze the following"
This is a commission looking into feasibility, nothing more.
Make some noise, let them know you're not interested.... it can't pass.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
So...
So this bill is not requiring service but requiring that mandatory service and other ideas be covered by our congress and since none of our congress ever read legislation anymore, whoever is pushing this will get straight to the point...?
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Quick! Look over there!
Camel's Nose
This is the "camel's nose under the tent." Volunteering for community and charity activities is currently the (almost) exclusive prerogative of private groups and individuals. If the federal government can make themselves to appear to be indispensable to "volunteering," then that enhances the feds power and reach. Not only will it create a new bureaucracy (that will automatically support more spending initiatives) but it will also create a new constituency among voters who will cease to imagine the possibility of doing anything without government support.
It is not necessary for the program to be mandatory to achieve this goal (as indeed this bill seems to have exorcised all mentions of mandatory participation), but once the structure is in place, it is a short step to making participation required for a diploma, or for a job in government, or for student loans, etc.
Think about it: this bill would never have been considered if there wasn't already an AmeriCorps. A future "draft" of young people into mandatory service programs will be unthinkable in the future unless a large and "indispensable" service program is already operating.
The danger is not that they will "kidnap" our kids, it's that our kid's kids will come to think of it as a duty they owe the state.
I agree... I don't like the idea of the gov't getting involved..
...in volunteer organization but I don't see the points that have been touted as the reasons for concern.
Mainly, I looked for items that would keep students from receiving grant or scholarship money if they did not perform the mandatory 'volunteer' service.
Nor did I see any mention of military training or service.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Who is the treasonist basturds writing up all of this BS ???
There pumping it out like its coming off an assembly line.
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Plain and simple "Federal youth brigade".
The government is not my master.
here:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1388
on another note, as always they named it the opposite of what it does, GIVE act .
just like the "patriot act"
Thanks...I don't see any of the causes for hysteria...
..I heard about.
I don't like the idea of the government hijacking the volunteerism in America but I don't see any mention of 'mandatory' anything.
I had heard that there would be no scholarships, etc. if you did not do your volunteer 'duty'.
How much of this is just anti-Obama hysteria?
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
#5
"were expected to perform or required to perform" Expected, required = mandatory.
looks like they are still working on the "mandatory" part.
"The bipartisan commission will be tasked with exploring a number of topics, including "whether a workable, fair and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the nation."
Don' ya love it...
"...reasonable mandatory service requirement...".
Ha. Reasonable.
Sorry Rahm and Barack and anyone else jumping on the forced "volunteerism" bandwagon, mandatory service is NOT reasonable.
the 'mandatory' is there.
i'll see if i can find it for you.
Rahm Emanuel and "The Plan" are cause for hysteria.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ3CHKm9ZuY
No, I find that hysteria usually feeds itself.
Does anyone have any links supporting the stuff I've been hearing about or is it all conjecture?
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Rahm uses the word "required".
Required = mandatory.
Even if it's not in the act yet, it's the plan. That is even what Rahm calls it. "The Plan". He is not really beating around the bush.
He says citizenship is not an entitlement and he has some misguided notion that this required service is what it means to be an American.
Here is a link describing Obama's plan for "volunteering". While Rahm is specifically referring to the age 18-25 thing, Obama reaches a bit further back.
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGEyMTc4YTNkN...
"So when I'm President, I will set a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year. This means that by the time you graduate college, you'll have done 17 weeks of service.
We'll reach this goal in several ways. At the middle and high school level, we'll make federal assistance conditional on school districts developing service programs, and give schools resources to offer new service opportunities. At the community level, we'll develop public-private partnerships so students can serve more outside the classroom."
Well, that means we will have to make more private schools
not dependent upon govt money, or home school our children.
Nice in theory...and easy to say.
But the reality is that most people are not in a position to be able to do this.
Besides, it is our tax dollars that fund public schools, so it should be the other way around.
A private school would be less out of line to place community service expectations on their students than tax payer funded schools.
A constitutionally abiding government should not be placing a demand upon its populace to accept involuntary servitude.
In some other country this sort of thing might be acceptable, but not in the land of the free.
Whatever words Rahm used...
...if it didn't get into the bill, then they are moot.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...