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To All the obama fan club members who refuse to accept the facts.READ THIS !!!

THIS THREAD IS DESIGNED SO THE confused PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR OR WHO SUPPORT Obama will realize they are supporting a Felon, a criminal, and an Usurper of the office of the Presidency. The following will shed light on their illness..allowing their mind to (perhaps) heal....

For all of you BO people who are too damn lazy to do any real research.. and just want to fling names..and condemn people like “Dr.” Taitz (the Lawyer representing Ambassador Keyes) who is standing up for the RULE OF LAW, and the Constitution... read the following..and do your own homework.. (unless of course you hate America and the Constitution)

Let's all be honest about this: Obama's fan club refuses to accept the facts.
The facts are:

a) Obama's publicized image of "Certification of Live Birth" is not a Birth Certificate

b) it is not a "certified copy" of a Birth Certificate or of a "part thereof".

How do I know?
The same way you can find out for yourself providing
a) that your head is not buried too far in the sand to hear the sound of reason and
b) that you have a phone and can make long distance phone calls: simply phone the Hawaii Department of Health Vital Records Office (like I did at 2:20pm, March 9 2009) at (808) 586-4542 during regular business hours and ask this question, "If I were to qualify to request a certified copy of a Birth Certificate on file, what would the certified copy say in the document title?" And he or she will answer, "Certificate of Live Birth". Then you can even ask "Was this the same for 'certified copies' issued in 2007?" And then you will know that Obama's document, whatever it is (if it is authentic at all) is not a "Certificate of Live Birth" or a certified copy of a portion or entirety of a Birth Certificate on file under [DOH statute] 338.13. It does no good citing the Obama document as evidence somehow for its own authenticity! So phone the Hawaii Department of Health Vital Records Office and ask the question. Here's the website with the phone number at the bottom in case you don't believe me that it's the correct phone number for that office: http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/vital_r...

Go ahead. Try it.

Let me lay the issue out for the consideration of all:

1. We know that Obama has a birth certificate on record with the Hawaii DOH. The DOH Director, Fukino, has verified that.

2. We know that the FactCheck / DailyKos image (whether a forgery or not) claims Obama's birth place as Honolulu.
(To see a video that explains the obvious forgery of his publicly released BC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIsQJNTvlUE
to see a copy of his supposed BC click here http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate?fc_c=1...
and to see what a real Hawaii COLB looks like click here http://www.humanevents.com/images/3p/200903/colb.jpg?fc_c=13...

3. We know that his grandmother and the Kenyan Ambassador have claimed that Obama was born in Kenya.

4. What I want to know--and I believe many Americans including military personnel have a right to know--is whether or not Obama's original (on file) birth certificate,
a) lists the place of birth as a foreign country,
b) lacks any mention of a hospital in which he was born or of an attending physician,
c) if there is any other official "attendant" listed as present at Obama's birth other than his parents.

Hawaii DOH 338.5 provides for a birth certificate to be filed, in the absence of any official attending personnel (e.g., a doctor or nurse), on the testimony of just 1 parent. The overall question here is whether or not Obama is a "natural born citizen". The question is not whether Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate or even whether Obama is currently a citizen (wouldn't that be a shocker?). If it turns out that his original birth certificate does not list a hospital, an attending physician, or any official attendant besides one or both of his parents, then presumably a Court or Congress would need to deliberate on whether such documentary evidence is sufficient to prove "natural born" citizenship. In other words does Obama's birth certificate really say he was born in Honolulu? If so is it verified by any official attendants or is it only on the word of his mother or father? As has been covered on http://f2a.org/coast2coast/obamacitizenship.htm some people hypothesize that Obama's mother could have returned to Hawaii shortly after Obama's birth in Kenya and filed a birth certificate with only herself or her and Obama Sr. as witnesses. This hypothesis is only an hypothesis, but it deserves to be tested.

The reason there is sufficient reasonable doubt in the case of Obama's "natural born" citizenship is that
a) his Indonesian school records list him as an Indonesian citizen,
b) he travelled to Pakistan in 1981,
c) his grandmother and the Kenyan Ambassador claimed he was born in Kenya and Gov. Richardson said he "is an immigrant", and d) what he released is NOT a real "certified copy" of a Birth Certificate, which, according to an employee of the Hawaii Department of Health Vital Records Office in a phone conversation at 2:20 p.m. Monday March 9 2009, would be titled, "Certificate of Live Birth" and not "Certification of Live Birth" (as the alleged COLB on FactCheck reads). To see a video that explains the obvious forgery of his publicly released BC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIsQJNTvlUE

One more KEY POINT......

The obvious forgery of Obama claimed Birth Certificate

His father's RACE is listed as AFRICAN, Which was never a legal RACE description on any government documentation in the 1960's. His race would have been Negro or colored. Up until 1968, the standard term for all Africans was "negroe". This fit with the absolute secular scientific teaching of the day which notes the world has 3 races in Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Negroid. It was not until the late 1970's when political correctness came into vogue that it ushered in by the 1980's the term "African" to describe all blacks.

CARE TO EXPLAIN THIS ONE ANYONE???? (please use your head.. and give me an intelligent answer...)

IF ANYONE HAS A MORE CONCISE WAY OF EXPLAINING THIS PLEASE POST IT...




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Getting Closer To Exposing Obama's Long Form Birth Certificate

http://defendourfreedoms.us/2009/03/24/usdoj--office-of-soli...

USDOJ: Office of Solicitor General AND SCOTUS!
Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq. just received a phone call from Karen Thornton at the Department of Justice. She stated that all of Orly's documents and filings have been forwarded to the Office of Solicitor General, Elena Kagan. That includes all three Dossiers, the Quo Warranto Easterling v. Obama aka Soetoro. Please show your support that we want these matters and investigations looked into immediately, 202-514-2203.
Elena Kagan
Elena Kagan, Office of Solicitor General

Coincidently, after Dr. Taitz called me with that update, she received another call from Officer Giaccino at the Supreme Court. Officer Giaccino stated both pleadings have been received and being analyzed now. Also, Justice Roberts must be back because the Officer also stated that all the documents that were given to Chief Justice Roberts at Idaho University are now at the Supreme Court and are also being analyzed. We will be notified tomorrow after 1:00pm EST as to whether they will be on the docket at the Supreme Court.

Posted by Defend Our Freedoms Foundation at 3/24/2009 9:08 AM

This is GREAT!!

What are you fightin' for?
Love me, I'm a liberal!

Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

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Hey jdayh...

I see you are back. Pushing more irrelevant nonsense. I am curious, whatever happened to that $3000+ money that you took for the Ron Paul delegates but kept for yourself?

It hasn't been long enough for us to forget about it yet... You may wanna go away again for another few months and try back later.

The Philosophy Of Liberty -
http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

(more)Proof Barack Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2008/08/proof-barack-obama-bi...
This is an exclusive exposing the Barack Obama birth certificate as an absolute forgery and it has been in plain sight all along.
There can not be any Obamaniacs descending on sites claiming the experts are wrong, pixels are wrong or any other way of muddying the waters as the 1000 points of darkness have been carrying out their marching orders.

Below is a cut out of one part of the published Barack Obama birth certificate which exposes the fraud and forgery of this document. This is the certified certificate from Barack Obama himself.(see link above)

What has been staring everyone in the face is the effects of political correctness and no one has seen it. The beauty of this liberal political correctness is that the person who forged this document got caught in their own trap of affirmative action hyphenated Americans.

Look closely at Stanley Ann Dunham's race. Caucasian.

Now look closely at Barack Hussein Obama sr's race. It is listed as African.
That doesn't seem all that interesting and no one has noticed it until one looks that this is an official document filed in August 1961.

Most people on the internet and blogging have no sense of history nor in the use of words and it is this lack of sense which is going to bite whoever forged this document.

Up until 1968, the standard term for all Africans was "negroe". This fit with the absolute secular scientific teaching of the day which notes the world has 3 races in Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Negroid.
It was not until the Black Revolution when negroe or negro became a foul description in the late 1960's and then "black" was demanded by this group to describe them.
It was not until the late 1970's when political correctness came into vogue that it ushered in by the 1980's the term "African" to describe all blacks.

Whoever forged this birth certificate was not utilizing the 1960's terminology which a black person would be listed as. They fell instead into a warped year 2000 politically correct description of "African".
for rest of article click here
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2008/08/proof-barack-obama-bi...

Try to understand something

Nobody cares. Even some people I talk to that think there is a good chance he does not qualify, don't really care. The supreme court will never hear the case.

The more you push this view, the more you marginalize yourself. It doesn't matter if you are right. This is politics not science. Many many people still love Obama.

Right now Obamoids are going door to door to push the stimulus package. He can still get great fake town meetings together. At this point we need to oppose the things he is doing, not obama personally.

All you do is give people a reason not to listen to Ron Paul's economic message.

Just stop.

"Fear of being marginalized" - GET OVER IT

Holy crap, if you will not defend TRUTH or the CONSTITUTION because you are afraid of "being marginalized" get OUT of the liberty movement, you do not have the stones for it.

The man is INELIGIBLE for POTUS and our "courts" do not care - isn't that enough apathy?

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

Do you know anything about PR ? ? ?

Or anything about compertition, or warfare ? You cannot fight every battle.

Read Sun Tzu, and Macheivelli.

You saw during the last election how RP was Marginalized with guilt by association arguments. As unfair as they are -they work.

the Birth certificate issue is a no win, and the Liberty movement shouldn't waste 2 seconds or 2 cents on the issue.

You should get over it and move on.

I will use Dr.Paul's example

I will use Dr.Paul's example here to say that the truth is the truth, whether it's popular or not, whether it's PC or not. It's true there are a lot of people who simply don't care, but that should not stop Orly Taitz or Sibel Edmonds or even Alex Jones from standing up for the truth. It's fine if you don't care about Obama's citizenship status but I do care. A lot.

So please refrain from guiding people away from an issue because you don't think it's important. There are plenty of issues to go around so pick one that you are 'for' and spread the word. That's all any of us can do. I can't fight every battle, but I'll fight this one so you can be free to fight the more important issues.

Also, even though RP was marginalized throughout the last election cycle, who's laughing now?

I care about our Constitution so I care about this issue.

It is a bad situation when we don`t care about the Constitution and worst
when the Supreme Court doesn`t care about it.

What constitution ? Its completely gone

You need to look at the situation as wanting to restore the constitution.

This is obviously a no win issue.

The Obama fans are going door to door pushing his unconstitutional stimulus plan, and we waste time on this birth certificate minutae ?

The house is burning down, and you are worried about the Ghost in the attic ?

I care.

And this in no way detracts from Ron Paul's message.

The folks who think this is a big deal don't want to hear that

You're absolutely right. The guy is losing support so fast my head is spinning, why even bother with an issue nobody cares about anyway? As though on this ONE issue, the constitution matters---yeah, right!

et tu, Mike? lol!

We must be well versed on as many of these issues as possible. For us to KNOW where "the root" is is WONDERFUL but we do not know which issue will get someone ELSE curious.

Obama's behavior regarding this (hiring law firms rather than showing the document) gets a LOT of people curious. I try to be ready to go where the conversation leads, and then make all roads lead to the Rothschilds and their bankster dynasty.

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

Like myself, neither McCain nor Obama were eligible!

A "natural born citizen" receives his status by fact of birth, being born on American soil to existing American citizen parents...specifically, I believe, to an American citizen father.

I, like McCain and probably Obama, was born outside of this country. (In Obama's case, whether his birth was inside or outside is completely irrelevant) McCain and I were born in American military hospitals, to two American citizens whereby Obama, wherever he was born, was born to a father of Britsh citizenship and a mother of American citizenship. Internationally, citizenship follows the father's lineage although duality is in existence when paternal and maternal citizenship differs. Duality creates a legal choice, governed by law.

While differences exits between the three of us, a fact exists that link the three of us and preclude our eligibility for the presidency. That fact is that we ALL received our citizenship via an act of law...not as natural born citizens. Laws had to exist to allow for our recognition as citizens, which conversely is not needed for a "Natural Born Citizen" who receives his/her citizenship as an act of birth...again...not law. There are three separate and unequal forms of citizenship: Natural Born Citizen, Naturalized Citizen and Citizen. McCain and I are "Citizens"...Obama, because of the original state of "duality" is a "Naturalized Citizen".

If you must have an act of law to provide for your proof of citizenship...then you are not natural born. You are either a Citizen or a Naturalized Citizen...plain and simple...no controversy what-so-ever.

The man that sits in the White House is a usurper aided by a conspiracy...also plain and simple.

**“The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them.” ~ Mark Twain **

"...there is no doubt that it (socialism) could not possibly have affected us so widely and so deeply as it has, had it not been heavily financed". - B. Carroll Reece

just found this... damn.. talk about smoking gun!!!!

Mr. Obama had not provided proper eligibility documents, and the Democratic National Committee did not check the credentials of Mr. Obama properly to determine that Mr. Obama was qualified under
Article II, Section I, (5) of the US Constitution for the office of President Of The United States, (POTUS). The fact that Mr. Obamas' father was not, and was never an American Citizen (which Mr. Obama admits)
precludes Mr. Obama from having the ability to qualify for the office of POTUS.

what's the source here?

Gee, jdayh, did you not see that some judge declared this has been resolved through "twitter?" I mean, what were you expecting, some kind of court hearing, some attempt at justice, some Constitutional Law and Order? You are such a funny guy...

Seriously, good find. Does anyone have contact info for Orly Taitz? She seems to be leading the charge on this issue, I wonder if she has this info?

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

that would be a great show...

CONSTITUTIONAL --LAW AND ORDER...

ok.. I have the link to her..Orly Taitz... I will post it in a sec..

ok here it is..

http://defendourfreedoms.us/

and this one has some good stuff on her as well

http://drorly.blogspot.com/

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That's why I think the DNC and the Democratic Party

should be sued for fraud. They are the ones who presented Mr. Obama to the public as a qualified candidate.
I think his backers knew all about this thinking they could whitewash it, which is why we should push the issue. Here is a little wakeup tool:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9667648/Back-of-Obama-Ticket

Undo what Wilson did

I think that they should be charged with fraud...

for making the sheeple believe that Obama was a peace candidate who was going to unilaterally withdraw from Iraq et al.

www.Umake.it - The online resource for the Hand Made Society

Wow! Great find Jdayh!!

What are you fightin' for?
Love me, I'm a liberal!

Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

To the Obama Fan Club:

It took 43 white presidents to get us to the point we are at today.

What makes you think one black president is going to "change" anything?

And only "half black" at that????

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"The consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of the ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it."

- Robert E. Lee, 1866

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RON PAUL 2012

I believe

it's less than half black...color shouldn't matter anyways...right?...except when used to manipulate the masses.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

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No, it shouldn't matter, but

he is presented as the first black President, which is an insult to white women worldwide.

Undo what Wilson did

Do you find something offensive about blackness?

I don't see how his being presented as a black man offends white women.

I get it! My son is NOT a "black man"

No matter who I procreate with, MY son will be at least half white.

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

Do you seriously think you'd

Do you seriously think you'd "convert" any Obama supporters with that rant? It's a funny post, but honey attracts people more effectively than flamethrowers.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore

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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore

perhaps..perhaps not.... wilch is why I posted this at the

end

IF ANYONE HAS A MORE CONCISE WAY OF EXPLAINING THIS PLEASE POST IT...

..and I must say I have used this response to BO fans...online...and not one person even made a remark.... (unlike most posts that they trash..)

Its hard to argue with the truth... and they know it....

Jdayh, I think the hardest part would be getting them to listen

in the first place. As soon as you bring it up, they will zone out.

What are you fightin' for?
Love me, I'm a liberal!

Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

yes. well this was made mostly for an online or email

response...to them(like a forum or digg..)

a conversation..would be much different