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Speaking of the "Volunteerism" agenda (Please read)

House Report 110-539 - PROVIDING FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE BILL (H.R. 2857) TO REAUTHORIZE AND REFORM THE NATIONAL SERVICE LAWS

SEC. 6103. ESTABLISHMENT.

There is established in the legislative branch a commission to be known as the `Congressional Commission on Civic Service' (in this title referred to as the `Commission').

SEC. 6104. DUTIES.

(a) General Purpose- The purpose of the Commission is to gather and analyze information in order to make recommendations to Congress to--

(1) improve the ability of individuals in the United States to serve others and, by doing so, to enhance our Nation and the global community;

(2) train leaders in public service organizations to better utilize individuals committed to national service and volunteerism as they manage human and fiscal resources;

(3) identify and offer solutions to the barriers that make it difficult for some individuals in the United States to volunteer or perform national service; and

(4) build on the foundation of service and volunteer opportunities that are currently available.

(b) Specific Topics- In carrying out its general purpose under subsection (a), the Commission shall address and analyze the following specific topics:

(1) The level of understanding about the current Federal, State, and local volunteer programs and opportunities for service among individuals in the United States.

(2) The issues that deter volunteerism and national service, particularly among young people, and how the identified issues can be overcome.

(3) Whether there is an appropriate role for Federal, State, and local governments in overcoming the issues that deter volunteerism and national service and, if appropriate, how to expand the relationships and partnerships between different levels of government in promoting volunteerism and national service.

(4) Whether existing databases are effective in matching community needs to would-be volunteers and service providers.

(5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.

(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

(7) The need for a public service academy, a 4-year institution that offers a federally funded undergraduate education with a focus on training future public sector leaders.

(8) The means to develop awareness of national service and volunteer opportunities at a young age by creating, expanding, and promoting service options for primary and secondary school students and by raising awareness of existing incentives.

(9) The effectiveness of establishing a training program on college campuses to recruit and educate college students for national service.

(10) The effect on United States diplomacy and foreign policy interests of expanding service opportunities abroad, such as the Peace Corps, and the degree of need and capacity abroad for an expansion.

(11) The constraints that service providers, nonprofit organizations, and State and local agencies face in utilizing federally funded volunteer programs, and how these constraints can be overcome.

(12) Whether current Federal volunteer programs are suited to address the special skills and needs of senior volunteers, and if not, how these programs can be improved such that the Federal government can effectively promote service among the `baby boomer' generation.

(c) Methodology-

(1) PUBLIC HEARINGS- The Commission shall conduct public hearings in various locations around the United States.

(2) REGULAR AND FREQUENT CONSULTATION- The Commission shall regularly and frequently consult with an advisory panel of Members of Congress appointed for such purpose by the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the Majority Leader of the Senate.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&dbname=cp110&sid=cp1...

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I dont understand.

The fundamental message of the conservative movement, or whatever this Ron Paul movement is called, is that the federal government has no place in ensuring social welfare or aid to its citizens outside of military defense against foreign enemies. Many of you argue that the federal government should back off and let the free market take care of things; you hope that people, out of the goodness of their hearts, will be charitable and help their poor neighbors. I have heard Ron Paul say this on a number of occasions.

I dont quite understand your opposition to Obama's call for volunteering and community service. The government isnt enlisting people to be volunteers; from what I've seen, it is simply a call for people who care about their communities to stand up and take it into their own hands to fix things. The government can only do so much, and its up to the citizens to fix their local problems

The government is promoting volunteerism and community service, not dictating what exactly they must do. This seems to be a rather conservative, grassroots goal.

Discuss.

cammy I know of an organization

that I plan on volunteering for, and I won't be forced to do it. The organization is THE CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY!!!! Maybe you should check it out and get educated.

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.

-P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian

AKA GIVE ME FREEDOM

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.

-P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian

AKA GIVE ME FREEDOM

First off your looking at

First off your looking at this with tunnel vision.
"you hope that people, out of the goodness of their hearts, will be charitable and help their poor neighbors"

This can be accomplished by directly helping your neighbor or donating to your local charity/church.You also have to look at the monetary policy and how it,along with the politicians and the federal reserve want people to be poor and constantly chasing dollars your whole life.Not having sound money results in increased indigents,along with government protection of certain corporations and taxes on just about everything(1913).With a return to sound money and a government that doesn't favor specific corporations (and promotes competition) but instead the people,you will have a population that is more able to provide for themselves.Thus increased overall wealth also will increase charitable donations.In this current system you have a government playing the role of "daddy & mommy",which is what the current batch of politicians want - control.
The heart of the problem is the federal reserve and how devastating it is to Americans.They control the money and can make you or I plus millions of Americans poor and desperate to "join" or "agree" to radical changes that are contrary to our constitution.You need to realize that the current hierarchy of our republic has been turned upside down.The federal government never was intended to be this influential or powerful.

Community service can be promoted by federal,state and local governments with statements for this or that organization and not with tax payer money.This bill does involve the investigation into "mandatory" service and is definitely against the principles of a free nation but more of Nazi Germany.Forcing children to obey the government and the creeping nature of government to control every aspect of our lives is what this is about.If you think this is a good thing,remember that this can eventually be used for bad also.They work by slow increments of unconstitutional acts that may not be so bad now but sets precedents to increase their power over us and eventually the conclusion is that it shouldn't have been done in the first place.
May I suggest a study into the history of this country and the founders intent.Also how the war of northern aggression aka "civil war" set a precedent.Look into the creation of the federal reserve and by a funny coincidence the 16th & 17th amendments were ratified in the same year(1913)of the feds creation,hmm.In that year the structure of how the republic was changed into more of a democracy.
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"I love the Union and the Constitution, but I would rather leave the Union with the Constitution than remain in the Union without it." - Jefferson Davis

13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he shall hate the one, and love the other, or else he shall lean to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and riches. - Luke 16

Did you miss this part?

"Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented".

Can't you see we are becoming more and more of a nanny state? Recall the post here last week about the slow but steady incremental changes so that everyone accepts it. This is another example of that. They are laying the groundwork. And this is yet another govt "program" to suck more money out of the taxpayers. No thanks.

"a rather conservative, grassroots goal."

It reeks of government involvement in private lives to me. This is not just a local non-profit organization realizing a need and asking for volunteers...this is the federal government asking and they have not ruled out a "mandatory" element. First they gather the names then lower the boom is how I see it. At this point, do you really trust their motivations? I do voluntary work every day...my own decision. By doing so, I am not taking away someone else's potential for a paying job either as what I do would never be a "paid" position. Too much volunteerism, and one needs fewer paid workers....aren't they supposed to be providing job opportunties and even that should be done at a local government level, imo.

Yes, if people care about their communities, they should look for local, true grassroots opportunities, not situations generated by a federal government which has already gone way beyond the pale with regards to its involvements in our lives and true duties and obligations to the nation.

The government isnt creating

The government isnt creating situations for volunteers to deal with. They are encouraging more people to do what you do, and that is volunteer locally.

The government isnt asking for volunteers for a specific project, its just a plea for people to do something on their own.

I dont think that there is a plan to make it mandatory. I haven't read anything to make me think this.

Might not be a plan now

but Marx probably didn't plan on Russians volunteering in Siberia either. The movie Sunshine (1999) shows this very well.

Ah, but there is a plan to force people to "volunteer".

Even if there ends up being no law that specifically states that, Obama has talked about forcing it by way of conditions on funding.

There is definitely a plan. Make no mistake. They talk about it openly...and people who don't understand, or care, applaud these diabolical monsters.

Rahm Emanuel even calls his book about it "The Plan".

It deals with universal service...REQUIRED universal service.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ3CHKm9ZuY

Here is a link describing Obama's plan for "volunteering". While Rahm is specifically referring to the age 18-25 thing, Obama reaches a bit further back to the younger ones, also.

http://campaignspot.natio...

"So when I'm President, I will set a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year. This means that by the time you graduate college, you'll have done 17 weeks of service.

We'll reach this goal in several ways. At the middle and high school level, we'll make federal assistance conditional on school districts developing service programs, and give schools resources to offer new service opportunities. At the community level, we'll develop public-private partnerships so students can serve more outside the classroom."

So, yes. A plan to force involuntary servitude on the American populace.

yes it is.

you should ask yourself ... taxpayers money is being spent on THIS?? in a DEPRESSION???

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/18/house-readies-pas...

The legislation, slated to cost $6 billion over five years, would create 175,000 "new service opportunities" under AmeriCorps, bringing the number of participants in the national volunteer program to 250,000.

It would also create additional "corps" to expand the reach of volunteerism into new sectors, including a Clean Energy Corps, Education Corps, Healthy Futures Corps and Veterans Service Corps, and it expands the National Civilian Community Corps to focus on additional areas like disaster relief and energy conservation.

You are, imo, being naive

If they just wanted people to innocently get more involved on a volunteer basis, why do they need a bill? Why doesn't Obama and his administration mention it as a desireable thing in speeches? Why the discussion of possible "manadotry" service?

if it was a 'plea' there would NOT be a 'bill'.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/86951

looks like they are still working on the "mandatory" part.
On March 21st, 2009 see-thru says:
"The bipartisan commission will be tasked with exploring a number of topics, including "whether a workable, fair and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the nation."

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On March 21st, 2009 liberalnurse says:
"were expected to perform or required to perform" Expected, required = mandatory.

If it was a plea

If it was a plea for local volunteer service, don't you think we would be hearing about it? If it is so important, why is there nary a peep in the news?
[sarcasm] All I know is I want my money back before it get's spent on that yacht! [/sarcasm]

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Quick! Look over there!

It was in the news.

It was in the news. Especially during the lame-duck period between the election and the inauguration.

I don't have an specific examples, because I havent researched this topic too much, but I do remember seeing an advocate for increased volunteerism, in cooperation with the Office of the President-elect on the Colbert Report or Daily Show.

EDIT:

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/09/12/mccain-oba...

That is

your fist mistake you watched the news.

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.

-P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian

AKA GIVE ME FREEDOM

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.

-P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian

AKA GIVE ME FREEDOM

Just like everything else:

they have had this planned for a long while.

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I love my country
I am appalled by my government

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I love my country
I am appalled by my government

I don't know what the status is

but I just noticed this was from March '08. Can you believe anyone would sponsor this?!