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Who can enforce the Constitution?

This may sound like a stupid question, but no one obeys the constitution any longer. Who is truly responsible to punish those congressmen and senators who purposely pass unconstitutional laws?

Jefferson would say to overthrow the government. But is or are there provisions in the constitution for the military or the supreme court, or local law enforcement to intervene when laws being made are illegal?

If the Constitution is not enforced, it might as well not exist.

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Out of all of the comments on this thread...

I asked the question about what can we do (besides voting) to actually enforce the constitution.

What if anything can we do as a movement to reinforce this document?

Mob rule is obviously where we are at today.

What would it actually take to accuse some politicians of actual treason?

What can we do as a group (besides getting our guns) to make politicians and representatives actually obey the constitution?

What can we do to make the supreme court challenge laws that are truly unconstitutional?

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sambachico,
It is not a stupid question! It is the question. Did you see my other post about libertyworksradionetwork.com? Go there and watch the video and check the site out carefully. Since we are not in a declared and therefore lawful war, the crime of violating the oath to the constitution is sedition. This needs to be hammered hard. Educating the public about our culture of liberty under law in a mainstream media outlet may be our only hope of making ourselves free of the tyranny we suffer. Lets do this and quit talking to choir, let's go mainstream!!!!!

george III

Constitutional Amendment to

Constitutional Amendment to create a secret police that would act as judge, jury, and executioner to anyone that usurps the constitution in any manner outside of the appointed amendment methods while respecting the first amendment.

Ventura 2012

2bfree

2bfree is an agent provocateur or seriously misinformed. The constitution was written so that the common man would be free. Direct taxes at Art.1 Sec.2 CL.3 are used only in the event of a federal debt to balance the budget for that year jn which the debt occurs and laid on the states not every citizen.No were in the constitution or the internal revenue code will you find the authority for a direct tax imposed on a citizen living and working within the 50 states of the union.You feed the monster it grows.The country was never intended to be in debt. Indirect taxes collected at Art.1 Sec.8 Cl.1 pay the debts. The national debt is fraud. Art.1 Sec. 2 Cl.3 is the balance budget amendment that Congress has been looking for. We really do need libertyworksradionetwork.com Check it out. As Jefferson stated a counrty that expects to be ignorant and free, expects what never was and never will be. We are drowning in misinformation and lies.

george III

Member for 9 weeks and three days.

That says it all. I am neither one. I just see the deception. Article 1 Section 2 plainly states, Representitives and direct taxes shall be apportioned to the several states which may be included within this Union, ect ect. It's right there! I can read and so can the people on this forum who are not trolls. I have several pocket constitutions handy if you need me to send you one. No you won't find a law to tax the people who are working. Because it's not a law it's a DEBT. They call it a tax, but it's going to pay a debt... to ENGLAND. Oh, yeah...If it was written for the common man to be free ( umm I thought they were already free BEFORE the constitution ) THEN WHY DIDN'T THE COMMON MAN GET TO VOTE ON IT. That's the first thing you get in a free constitutional republic A RIGHT TO VOTE. Gosh, silly slave tricks are for rabbits.

The State Leglislatures....

...at least 34 of them working together to disband the compact that is the Constituion. A Super Majority of States can decide to undo the compact that created the Federal Government, know as the Constituion. Just as simply as the States agreed to empower the Federal Government, they can agree to undo what they have done. The Federal Government receives it's powers from the States. Like wise these same States can undo what they have created. Imagine 34 State Leglislatures declaring the Constituion null and void. Thus eleminating any legal argument the Federal Government may have to justify their claim to power. No President, No Congress No Supreme Court. No legal standing for any of them, the property they have confiscated from the people and the several States..all wiped away. Remember, that which has been created can not be greater than the creator. Meaning, the States created the Federal Government with ink and paper. They can use ink and paper to undo what they have done. In theory any single State has this power to withdraw from the compact. However, as we learned from the Southern Seccession in 1861, it can lead to a War of Conquest. The Number 34 is important, because it is a 3/4 Super Majority, which is consistent with the Amendmnet process. Making the legal argument rock solid. The other reason 34 is an important number is because it leaves 16 States to consider the idea of another War of conquest against a much larger Majority. Should these 16 States attempt to use unlawful Federal power to engage in War with the majority States, how do you think the Federal Soldiers from those 34 States woul react? The reality is so simple that it boogles the mind.

Thank GOD

Thank YOU. I am speechless. Do away with it! We could LEGALLY own our property and our lives!!!

Gee, do you believe the 2nd Amendment was for duck hunting?

Go look in the nearest mirror of you want the answer to your question.

Gee, do you believe the 2nd

Gee, do you believe the 2nd Amendment was for duck hunting?

What are you currently doing with your guns that's enforcing the Constitution?

Questioning The Constitution Series
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Cute.

Are you trying to get me to publicly state that I've either violated or intend to violate some law or another?

And the 2nd Amendment was intended to preserve the right of the citizens to be armed for the purposes of overthrowing the government should tyranny take hold once again.

They've got the guns, the courts, the money, the power to

tax and permit just about everything we own, or do. Like to fish? Like to hunt? You know the maze of rules and permits you must comply with to be "legal", and if you're not? They can get pretty rough with you, as in confiscation of personal property. If you don't like it, who are you going to complain to? You're Congressman? The Judge? And these are just simple past time pleasures. Just imagine how they'll protect the Federal Reserve and the power it gives them. We don't know the half of their capabilities.

alan laney

Upholding the Constitution Was The S.Ct.'s Purpose

To avoid a legislature gone wild. Anybody can sue to uphold the Constitution, if there is a gov't agent that is violating it.
BUT THE A S. Ct. ARE CORRUPTED AGENTS OF THE POWERS AND THEY ARE PART OF THE GAME, AS ARE ALL FEDERAL COURTS..

Sheldon Waxman
sheldonw72@gmail.com
www.thelawyer.info
www.independentcontractor.info

there is no unlimited taxation in the costitution

There is no federal income tax law, do the research at truthattack .org

george III

Yes There is

Article 1 Section 2. Read It. You will never find the law. Because it's not a law. It's a DEBT and it's paid to ENGLAND.

Incorrect...

Article 1 Section 2 has nothing to do with taxes. All it says is that,"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union..." which doesn't enumerate any powers of the federal government. This section is about Representation. It does not give the Federal Gov. any power to tax it simply states that any direct taxes that they are legally empowered to collect must be apportioned among the several states. Not to mention the S.C. has ruled on this (as corrupt as they may be) and they disagree with you. Don't give Washington powers they don't have and please don't speak as though you are an authority on something you don't understand. It could hurt more than you think. I teach Constitutional Law among other things. Alway keep an open mind.

"Information is the currency of democracy." --Thomas Jefferson

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

WRONG

Article 1 section 2 states, Representatives and taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which may be included within this Union, accourding to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. ).... I think I UNDERSTAND quite clearly. Just what do you think a Union is? It's all the states coming together as ONE ( it's the REASON it was written ) Who is the one? Federal Gubberment. It gave the Federal Gubberment the absolute power of taxation. It's right there. Do you teach your students that the colonists never voted on the CONstitution? Do you teach them that the document is not valid in the UCC courts systems? That the UCC doesn't recognize it, because it's a COMMERCIAL court? Do you teach them anything about simple contract law? that someone can't sign a document for someone else and expect it to be valid! that the CONstitution was written for those few who signed it and the states for whom it was written? Do you teach them that some of the founders were knighted by the king, owned slaves and belonged to secret societies? Or can you? Isn't Barrack Obama a constitutional lawyer too? and.. Im not giving Washington anything they haven't already taken.

Don't use caps. Because you're wrong...Again

Have you even read the document. For if you did troll you would know that its states in article 1, section 9 that "No capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken."

READ SEC. 9.
You are a TROLL.

Your'e the troll SARGE

The key word in your above statement is "UNLESS". They just have to complete the census first, so they will know how MANY people to TAX. They just want to make sure they get everyone. Tell me TROLL, Who does Congress represent? The states and the people, and where does CONgress sit? IN A FEDERAL BUILDING. Maybe, before you continue your indoctrinated rant, you should have looked a section 8. The Congress Shall have the Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises and blah, blah, blah, as you like to say. The WHOLE freakin document is riddled with taxation! Of course they didn't want us to vote on it! The answer from the colonists would have been NO!

everyone is laughing at you 2bfree

Good thing you don't use your name because you are making an ass of yourself. Go play with your toys.

george III

The only people laughing are the trolls

You can go on and on about what a liberty minded document it is, but lets face it, it's not. It was written by men who had slaves! Some of them were knighted by the king! TALK ABOUT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. and most all of them belonged to secret societies, ie masons and still do today. Women couldn't vote at that time and neither could non- property owning men or the slaves ( yes, I said slaves ) Not that a vote counted back then, because it was NEVER taken to vote. The colonists never got to vote on it. Hmmm. The colonists would have never voted anyway to be taxed again! Remember they fled here to ESCAPE taxation ( they like to say, escape taxation without representation, but come on who wants to be taxed?. It's nothing more than a system of FORCE. Taxation is FORCED. So how could it give us freedom? WAKE UP PPL. The whole document is riddled with taxation. Anyone who says different is blatently lying. All anyone has to do is merely read it, to see that fact. It gave the few the absolute power of taxation over the rest of us. So, It looks like they had control from the begining. Day one. How are we to control them when they created armies at our expense! They also make all the laws at our expense. To think anyone has a say in the making of laws is ludicrous. To think that a few representatives from each state can pass laws for millions of people, that benefit or give all the people a say is ridiculous. They make the laws for they're benefit and alway's have. All the power you have in this system, is the power to vote for someone of your liking, thats it. Is that a free system? Your'e at the mercy of the ideals of the man/women you vote for and they can say what ever they want to get in office, not that you elect them anyway, after all we have diebold machines, and one company writes all the programs for the cards that go in the machines, in secret. Also, how can someone form something for rest of us, and have it be valid? We never signed it. In fact we live under something that does not apply to us and never did. It was only valid to those who signed it and the states for which it was written. If the constitution wasn't a lie, from the begining, then why do they teach us that it restrains them from us and keeps they're powers limited when that is clearly not the case, why are none of these above facts discussed or taught? These are FACTS. DOCUMENTED. There are two sides to every story ppl. Why are children not being taught that we have UCC courts in this country? Uniform Commercial Code. That we have the law of COMMERCE and the UCC does not recognize the constitution or Constitutional liberties! Why, because they don't want to populace to know these things, this way they can keep the extortion ring going, by merely an indoctrinated ideal. It keeps them in business and in control and you going the rest of your life trying to reform it. The only people making an ass of themselves are the trolls who resort to names or other methods when they have no other means of rebuttle.

Can we get Ron Paul to discuss Jury Nullification in his next TV

appearance? This is truly the best weapon we have at the moment. It will take awhile to get enough good politicians in office but we can educate people about the duty on juries now. Ron Paul can get this dialoague started since he has a nationally know voice now. It is one of many things to fight the tyranny.

These threads are just

These threads are just preaching to the choir. No Diggs. No commonsense answers. We all know this stuff. Let's drag the rest of the population into these discussions by continuing to go where THEY are. Start making posts on the web sites of "Ellen" and "Oprah" and "Parenting Magazine"... get someone other than this circle of friends involved.
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore

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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore

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forget opra,etc.We go mainstream ourselves, See my post at the top and check out this site. WE CAN DO IT.

george III

We learn from each other here.

Then we take things to the people in our regular lives, too.

Posting on other web sites, such as you mentioned, is an idea. Maybe others are already doing that.

We'd have to go easy on Oprah with some things, though. I don't know if she'd survive cracks about her precious Obama..."Big Daddy" Obama...Lol.

Law enforcement

Perhaps this will shed some light on the subject. I wrote it up as a flier. References are to Massachusetts, where I live.

All power residing originally in the people, and being derived from them, the several magistrates and officers of government, vested with authority, whether legislative, executive, or judicial, are their substitutes and agents, and are at all times accountable to them.

Who says?
We say!
But who are we?
We're the People!
(We're the People?)
(The ones government agents are supposed to be accountable to?)

Really?
What happened?

To answer this question, you must first ask “How did we get a government in the first place?”

Answer: The government of THIS Commonwealth was created by the towns...

What is a town? Simply put, it's us! But do we call upon our towns to hold the agents of the government they created accountable?

Generally, no.

These days, more often than not, our towns are beholden to the government they created because the government they created has passed all manner of laws that are:

1. repugnant to the law by which it was created,and

2.act directly upon the individual, thereby circumventing his town and the protection it could and should afford him.

Now, let's dream a little...

What IF instead of going to any of the three departments of our government for answers we were to go to our TOWNS first?

What IF, by once again using our towns for their proper purpose of defending the Inhabitants thereof, they were to take back the control they have slowly but surely handed over to the government they created in 1780?

What IF our towns were to say “no” to any and all breaches of our state constitution?

What IF our towns were to stand between us and the big bad government tax man so that taxation would be by consent, as Article X declares?

What IF our towns were to order the governor of the Commonwealth to enforce the US Constitution, the law by which the States created the federal government?

What IF the LAWS that created the American system of Liberty and Justice for all were to be ENFORCED?

Then government would have nothing to hide.

Then government would be open and honest because every last one of our government agents would be held accountable to us, through our towns, our “extended families” formed for mutual defense and protection, where this great nation got its start...

What can YOU do?

get a copy of your state constitution from your town or city clerk.

Amendment II covers this.

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,etc. etc.

Of course we the people let the top dogs destroy the means of enforcing the Constitution, however Edwin Vieira has written extensively about this very subject.
Here is the first part of an 8 part series:

http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin16.htm

beesting

Committees of Safety

Dr. Vieira is part of a grass roots effort to encourage every community to create four main areas of safety for the people (see www.committeesofsafety.org for a much better explanation):

1 - system for buying/selling using gold (gold money bill)
2 - state militia to protect the community (not FEMA, UN). These militia must be reinstituted with statues passed through legislature.)
3 - emergency preparations (food/water, etc.)
4 - transparent voting method

a Jury can...

they have the power, if they will use it.

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

We The People are uniting to defend our constitution TODAY !

What must a free people do to stay free ?
The time for talk is over.
The time for alliance to any political party is over. The time for politics, mainstream media polls and complaining is over.

We are taking action as a free people.

We are non violent and are joining nationwide today to take a play out of our founders playbook.
We are nominating and electing by affidavit, 3 delegates from each state to attend a Continental Congress 2009 this summer.
We The People Congress consists of tens of thousands nationwide today. We need to become millions in order for this to work.
5% of our 300 million is 15 million freedom loving Americans.
Join us. We need your voice and moral support.

Please see: www.PeopleWeTheFree.com

or just Google : Continental Congress 2009

or go to www.WeThePeopleCongress.org

We pray you are not too afraid to demand that our republic protect our God given rights. Join us while we still can. Before it is too late !

Bump for the Continental Congress 2009.

We attended in January. Very well presented! Try to attend the meeting in your state. Click on the above links. In Liberty.