Who here is a 'libertarian feminist'?

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Someone in the Forum threw those two words together the other night. I like the sound of it.

I admire strong women. For too long, liberal Democrats have tried to make themselves the 'owners', the arbiters of all forms of social justice and equal rights. In truth, they want to enslave everyone..and not equally.

'Libertarian feminism' sounds like a great concept...what do you think?

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In my mind,

feminism wasn't ever about equal rights in spite of what we were led to believe. That's the concept used to sell it to the people and which got many people/women sucked in.
As someone pointed out, it was a movement pushed by the NWO, to de-stabilize society, and they have succeeded in many ways. All part of the plan.

of sorts, I am

I believe that as a woman, my right to life has primacy over any unwanted pregnancy. I firmly believe that a fetus is not "alive" until the woman agrees to carry it of her own free will.

I believe that a woman doing essentially the same job as a man ought to make the same amount of money.

I also believe I was fed a line of garbage my entire life about the value of a mother, and what the cost me can never be regained. I really wish I had home schooled, I was tempted but fell for the "socialization" line. Argh!!

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

You'll love this one

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Talk about strong women...

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I think feminism has become

I think feminism has become such a cliche that your query is difficult to answer. If you mean a woman who has certainty, self discipline in her work ethic and family life that wants to be respected and paid the same as others that do the same job regardless of gender then I am a libertarian feminist.
As recent as the 60's and 70's woman could not have a credit card, own a mortgage by themselves or have their job counted on a mortgage application with their husbands. We have come a long way. The NWO succeeded with getting the woman out of the house and then creating the credit, and consumer dominated world that people very quickly accepted a 2 parent working household. Along with lack of respect for a stay at home mom,top that off with the MSM programming that makes us all scared to let our children play out front with each other. Therefore all "good " parents must spend their lives entertaining and scheduling their children's day. Not easy to navigate for the avg woman.
I also agree with a previous poster that being libertarian makes feminism redundant.

If your a libertarian you

If your a libertarian you don't need to be a feminist. We should fight for EVERYONE, not just a specific gender, race or religious proclivity. I'm all for equal pay, rights, etc., but from everything I've ever witnessed from so called feminists, it normally equates to being a "man hater". I remember a story a few years back from Henry Makow where he described a group of feminist from a prodigious college that had rally's cutting paper penises in half and laughing and celebrating. Feminism, as it's touted has out grown the original intent. That original intent should be equality for all.

It's not a new concept.

Puppets come and puppets go but the world's stage is getting cluttered.

isn't it why

over 90% supported our president? Most women do want free shit so being libertarian doesn't serve most women well unless they are hard working and creative.

Perhaps you could explain why

being libertarian doesn't serve most PEOPLE well unless they are hard working and creative. And why you focus on only 50%.

i'm totally a libertarian feminist.

in my mind, feminism is about equality for women.

same wage as men for the same job, right to vote, right to marry who they want to, right to work, a workplace free from sexual harassment, right to own real estate, right to sell their own real estate without the permission of their husband, right not to be beat by their husband, right not to be killed by their husband or family ('honor' killings) etc...

whether the nwo funded it, started it, or just helped it along... it was LONG overdue. freedom and liberty are not just the prerogative of men.

i'll take today's reality over this dumb 1955 sh!t, any day!!

Housekeeping Monthly 1955
http://a6.vox.com/6a00c2251fc9698e1d00c225289b2e549d-pi

or how about...

Housekeeping Monthly 1955
http://a6.vox.com/6a00c2251fc9698e1d00c225289b2e549d-pi

we only 'recently' got the right to vote and own property.

alberta still has a dumb @ss real estate law on the books.

there is still some major sh!t that goes on in some male dominated workplaces. i would say that is not the norm anymore though.

i've observed the crap my cousin puts up with and its just sad. she won a human rights case against her last employer for the amount of sexual harassment she went through.

before i got into real estate i did security. i had excellent training and had to pass a physical exam. i don't expect special treatment. i also worked with fabulous guys. never once had an issue.

just because a girl works in a physically challenging, male dominated job doesn't mean she still can't be a girly girl.

i have observed with a friend of mine who is a cop... we observed it with mostly female cops....

you often have to go from nice to b!tch pretty rapidly in some situations to be taken seriously. whereas a male cop in the same situation wouldn't have that issue. that's a flaw in society though not the female cop.

some men can't handle strong women. that's THEIR problem. none of the cool women i know hang out with men like that.

strong women kick @ss. i'll take being independent, brilliant, outspoken, and sassy than the BS they were peddling in the 50's.

i have tons of girl friends with kids. i have a friend who i used to work with in security. she's a stay at home mom now. they adjusted their lifestyle so they could do that. i think that's cool.

there really aren't that many limits on a woman in the western world.

BOTH parents ought to be able to spend more time with their children.

THAT reality will happen a lot quicker with sound money, no taxes, and less government.

Housekeeping Monthly

What a joke! It just made me gag reading it. You are correct. That was definitely the dark ages in thinking. But I don't believe everyone during that time bought into that garbage. My mother sure didn't. Her friends sure didn't. Just like some of the garbage that is being published today; just because it is published doesn't mean it is something everyone goes along with.

I have had my share of discrimination in the work place and men making more than I do. I have had to be a b*tch at work to get things accomplished. I agree. But, I have also seen the complete deterioration of the family and the scorn people place on being a home maker. Where's the balance?

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Thank you for saying that, healthnut!

I avoid any 'ism' attempting to make me or others into anything other than what God has made them to be. Each of us needs to listen to that little voice within, not some BS mind control.

To be 'Libertarian' is not an 'ism', it is a philosophy of being free to pursue our individual destiny as our Universal Intelligence created each of us to be.

It is not about the 50's, its about being sovereign at any time.

i think that was a pendulum swing.

"But, I have also seen the complete deterioration of the family and the scorn people place on being a home maker. Where's the balance?"

my girl friends under 35 are making lifestyle choices to spend more time at home with their kids. the two mom's that are stay at home moms get more of the 'i wish' than scorn.

we also have paid maternity leave here in canada so it makes a difference. however, that is a socialist solution. i agree with the workplace legislation but not the payment by the gov't. for now, it gets the job done... however, if we had sound money and less taxes-- families could survive on one income.

OK, I stand corrected.

By 'feminism', I did not mean Marxist-dominated androgyny. I meant what feminism could mean if it was libertarian.

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I enjoy being feminine ( but not a 'feminist'!! ) but theres a good bit of "tomboy" in me too...don't piss me off!! lol!!

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I believe the 'Womens' Movement' in the 60's was legitimate

because there were real issues that women had with men about their rapacious conduct with women who chose to work outside the home and not being paid the same. Women also brought up legitimately, that men needed to spend more time with their children. This was all appropriate.

But no sooner did these 'threatening' complaints make in in mainstream media, we saw the rise of Gloria Steinem and the Rockefeller/CIA backed Ms. magazine which modeled 'the new woman', calling for 'change' in family life with the introduction and promotion of Big Pharma contraception pill that did more for promiscuity than anything could because its use led to the dishonor and negation of the spiritual, 'sexual responsibility'.

We saw an increase in STD's and eventually this led to AIDs and then of course, abortion, for those who did not take 'the pill' or they forgot to.

We saw the rise of homosexuality as a chic 'lifestyle' alternative to 'family life' (not that I have anything against 'real' gays, but this was twisted). We saw these ideas promoted in University courses in political science, the new 'women's studies' courses that in fact promote Lesbian lifestyles (not that I have anything against Lesbians) but these were/are 'fake' and bogus.
This was and still is a deliberate attempt to social engineer us and our families. The bankers knew that if they could 'break down' American families, this would create a break down of our Constitutional government. This is absolutely no different than what was done to the Native Americans and their once 'strong' culture. They had to break down the 'family structure' in order to 'weaken' the system.

All of these 'ideas' were concocted in the think tanks of the CFR and their affiliated institutes and introduced at their secret Bilderberg meetings as heads of Universities, big Media conglomerates were brought together and given their new 'ideas' for University courses and Media articles. Notice how all these things would occur one thing after another, gradually, gradually leading to what we have now. It is all kept in place now with ADL tactics of political correctness and those that disagree can now be considered 'hate speech' and a 'terrorist'.

No I would not wish to be considered a 'Libertarian Feminist' at all. I am a simple woman and it gives me immense pleasure when men are men and women are women, but most of all, I love it when people are just 'true to themselves' whether they are gay or not, yet choose to resist all the mind control.

You are so right!

I was there. I am 52 and I agree with EVERYTHING you are saying here. Good job. I could not have said it better.

Healthnut4freedom

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

Healthnut4freedom

The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22

feminism

in today's meaning of the word isn't good no matter how you look at it in my book. It was a movement initiated by the NWO. It is unbiblical and the good parts of it could have happened without the bad parts of it. The NWO instigated it in order to split up families, get the women working and bringing in taxes for them, and get the kids away from the parents and into state care. Since the movement began, our families have gone straight to pot. I am a feminist only in not supporting the brutality and aggressiveness of men over women, but that is really not feminism. I am libertarian for sure and my own definition of feminist. The greatest full time job and service to humanity that a woman can perform is to raise her own children without the help of day care and extended school care, preferrably without schools period and to take care of the homefront and hold it together while the man is out. Get the women out of the work place and things would go a lot smoother at home for many reasons. On the other hand, if the woman is working, there should be equality there to the extent that she can perform as well or better than a man in the situation. Women should be able to work when and where they desire.

Agree, Agree

Another voice of wisdom.

Healthnut4freedom

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

Healthnut4freedom

The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22

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Isn't that an oxymoron?

To be a feminist - one must believe that women belong to a group that should get beneficial treatment over another group, such as men, tranvestites....
A libertarian sees all people to be equal individuals

Not me.

I do not appreciate the junk that the so-called feminist movement has imposed on us ladies.

I am not a man. I have no desire to be one.

I want men to be men.

Man, I really respect you

Man, I really respect you ladies!

Bryan

Good response. lol.

...says Jiminy with a rolling pin in her hand.

Being libertian and standing up for it

shows strength. The whole feminist movement as such has always horrified me, and yes I am a woman.
For some obscure reason I would feel offended if they believed I was a feminist. Too many connotations to that word to feel comfortable with, mostly because I felt it was aiming at taking away one's femininity.
You don't have to go overboard to stand up for freedom.

Later, reading about how this whole movement was pushed to undermine society strengthens me to resist ever wanting to be anything else but my own person.

To me, I have that concept of the feminists as being the 'armpit' brigade... thanks but no thank you.

Well said, I agree.

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