Found out the purpose of Campaign for Liberty
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/faq.php
The Campaign for Liberty is a 501(c)(4) non-profit organization. A "501(c)(4)" is an organization not organized for profit and operated "exclusively for the promotion of social welfare." It is essentially a tax designation. There are many different tax categories for political organizations, each with its own pros and cons. In our case, the pros include having no limit on the amount that individuals may donate, while cons include a restriction from endorsing political candidates . Those who would like to donate to an organization that can support political candidates should donate to a Poltical Action Committee (PAC) such as the Liberty PAC. Donations to 501(c)(4)'s are NOT tax deductible.
So, they are able to absorb maximum amounts of money, but can't help any statesmen run for office. Sounds like an officially neutered "political" organization to me.
Campaign for Liberty is a great organization to help
educate the grassroots. We don't need another PAC, we have enough of them for fundraising candidates.
But C4L is great in that it can set up gatherings to bring speakers to bring clarity and understanding for example, what free markets are, and other very interesting topics. Why free markets will not function in a centralized banking system like what we have had for 100 years. If we don't have C4L State-wide, we lose a great opportunity to enrich the minds of so many out there including ourselves.
I say this because I just attended our MNC4L a few weeks ago and loved hearing Tom Woods speak so eloquently and helping us all understand what is s 'free market' and why the Fed has to go.
That said, I still don't get what the 'national' is doing and cannot get behind that one too much, since I don't get too much of a 'spirit' there, but the State chapters are wonderful and I will support it locally.
Interesting. So this means
Interesting.
So this means that someone who is very rich could bequeath their fortune to the Campaign For Liberty? I suppose for that matter, anyone could do so. It would be great if the CFL got that level of support.
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Foreigners can donate and education is the key.
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
Ron Paul's Republican
Ron Paul's Republican Liberty Caucus does the endorsing of candidates.
Ventura 2012
The purpose is Education
The Campaign for liberty was never meant to endorse Candidates.
Why don't you go to the website and read the mission statement.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/about.php#mission
What is the purpose of downgrading an organization that
promotes liberty and educates people????
Where did you get the idea that the Campaign for Liberty
was meant to promote Candidates?
Seems to me, that your time would be better spent
setting up an organization to do what YOU want it to do.
Rather than undermining an organization that wants to spread the
message of Liberty.
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How do they do that?
There's alot of better organizations that do that same thing- Von Mises Institute, Truthattack.org, The Freedom Law School, etc.
What's their plan for spreading this information? Besides patting themselves on the back and going around in circles like the JBS has done for the past half a century. By the way, there's a ton of other organizations meant to "educate" or "illuminate" that we're actively combatting.
The C4L has got a precinct leader program, so how can that be used to "spread information". Are people going to go door to door with information? I haven't even seen something like this idea formed within the C4L. There isn't even a survey to find out what your neighbors are thinking. For the millions that we've given them, couldn't they even have put together a survey so we can gauge our precinct for their awareness of our situation?
Why do they even need a precinct leader program? Right now it's just being used to tag and track potential donors and a social club to get out gripes about our government. Isn't that what free bulletin boards are for? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
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It's a political advocacy and education organization
There are many political organizations like this and it does not hurt to have one explicitly associated with Ron Paul and his growing movement.
It is good to be diligent, obviously, but don't shoot your own foot folks.
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How do they do that?
It seems to me a schizophrenic organization, and something that needs to be evaluated for its effectiveness. Everyone on that site knows what the problems are, so how are we going to fix it? There are multiple resistance groups, like the tea parties, we surround them, we are change, resistnet.com, freedomworks, republican liberty caucus, restore the republic, end the fed, the constitution party, 912project and yes,even, the zeitgeist movement that don't have stringent freedom of speech rules.
If the C4L is truly an "advocacy" group then shouldn't they be building bridges amongst all the spontaneous networks of people that have sprung up to oppose Obama's administration rather then running in circles and patting themselves on the back for how right they were? Shouldn't they have formed a bridge building coalition by now?
They've setup a halfway done "precinct leader" program that wasn't half as good as the one setup during the Ron Paul campaign. But that isn't even useful because as a "representative" of C4L you can't even talk about candidates to your precinct. So I could spend days filling out those stupid forms, but still I can't talk to anyone about who I think they should vote for.
I don't think I'm shooting myself in the foot. The C4L could be a great organization, but they don't have a mission or a plan to retake America. I'm voicing my opinion on a mission gone awry, and as a "voluntary" member of the C4L it's my right. Congress doesn't work, most local politics don't work-but any organization I can and will voice my opinion about.
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Sometimes patience is a better approach.
There are salesmen of products, services, and ideas that spend years cultivating the client. That's what C4L is doing. So many people would tune you out if you rush up to them and say, "Vote for X." Those same people could become strong allies/benefactors if you soften them up with ideas first and exploit areas of agreement. If you think the left doesn't do this, have another look. The mainstream media is just one of their propaganda arms. Public education is another. Look at Hollywood. Look at Broadway. They have relentlessly insinuated themselves into positions of being able to precondition the electorate in favor of the candidates who support their philosophy.
New Hampshire and Ecuador
So what's your point?
The organization was not formed to support candidates; it was formed to make candidates. It was formed to teach you how to be active in your committee and take back your party (or your country). It was formed to teach us all how to get off our butts and do it, rather than just complain about it. So, quit bad mouthing it here. You have been here for 10 weeks. You have no idea the training that CFL has done for people and will continue to do for people. You just have one thing in mind; your own lazy agenda. Don't support a candidate; be one.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
Healthnut4freedom
The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22
What are you talking about?
I'm trying to organize as a coordinator in the C4L and I can't even talk about candidates we have running for office against the establishment. How can anything get done if we can't even tell the people who join up who to support?
I've tried coordinating my county, but the state coordinator has stopped any discussion on candidates in our county on the website. What's the purpose of the website if not to change the political scene?
Have you ever run for office or helped anyone run for office, are you a coordinator in the C4L? If you are then tell me how to get people from the C4L behind you if you can't even discuss your candidacy to them via the website or their own information?
It's apparent to me the C4L is just a money vacuum for John Tate and other ne'erdowells. If they wanted to do something positive then at least teach people how to form PAC's, or start enrolling people in PAC's alongside the C4L. All they're doing is replicating what the lawyers and accountants have done in D.C.-suck money and live off our fat.
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I am sorry
I had no idea you were so involved. What I can tell you is that there is a set of guidelines to look for a candidate who is like minded. I can't remember if they have a list, I thought they did. I supported a candidate and fought tooth and nail for her. I wish I had known about her earlier. I looked at her and studied everything she believed based on a set of standards.
You can't promote a candidate or a party but you promote a set of guidelines. How do you think the churches get people to vote for certain people? They don't say "vote for Joe Schmo" they say vote for the person who has these standards and don't vote for the one who has these. The goal is to get the average person to learn how to vote for the right candidate and to be the right candidate, if you choose to go that direction.
This is not an overnight, get rich quick process. This is a slow and steady education of the masses. The masses are brain dead or they wouldn't be voting for the clowns they are. It is CFL's job to educate them, through educating you and me and anyone else who wants to learn. From what you have learned you are able to go back to your community and be your own advocate. Really, it works but it isn't over night.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
Healthnut4freedom
The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22
I appreciate your response
I think the C4L is a little too late if they don't get the ball rolling aggressively right now. I understand education is what C4L is about, but with everything being thrown at us it just seems too milktoast a tactic to not at least have a way to retake the government and kick the scoundrels out.
I personally think it's an unsurmountable task to "unbrainwash" the masses. We're against American Idol and the one dollar menu. Our only chance is to Keep it Simple and tell them who to vote for (because that's all we've been taught for the past century). Very few have the attention span to think about anything, especially political candidates. Even people who voted for Ron Paul are so beseiged by everything all they can handle are the base facts (who to vote for).
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I know what you are saying
and I believed that was true up until a few months ago. The masses are coming out of their stupor because they are feeling the pain. Most people don't get involved in anything until they start feeling the pain. They are and they will and that's when you will have the solution to the problem. They will be looking to people for the right answers. Yes, it is going to get very ugly before it gets better but you have to begin the process of rebuilding somewhere.
I saw in RP's campaign and this organization a lack of real structure and direction. The most success in the campaign was done by grassroots people independent of the campaign. CFL is also run by those people. It needs some backbone or it needs to capitalize on its ability to decentralize and let you do your thing. It sounds like they need you; don't give up.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
Healthnut4freedom
The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22
Well, that makes it official, I guess...
they really are about circulating all the FRNs they can.
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
I knew it
We are the grassroots. We are legion.
We don't need the Campaign for liberty. All we need is Ron Paul.
Someone probably approach our good Dr. and told him this would be a good idea. He, not knowing it would shut us down, said sure why not. Cause he's a good guy.
interesting
have you seen this
http://spectator.org/blog/2009/03/23/sanford-and-paul-suppor...
looks like Jesse Benton and others there might get behind Mark Sanford for 2012.
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Thanks for the info!
Good to know!!
Bump!
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