States Consider Drug Tests for Welfare Recipients
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States Consider Drug Tests for Welfare Recipients
Thursday, March 26, 2009
By Tom Breen, Associated Press
Charleston, W. Va. (AP) - Want government assistance? Just say no to drugs.
Lawmakers in at least eight states want recipients of food stamps, unemployment benefits or welfare to submit to random drug testing.
The effort comes as more Americans turn to these safety nets to ride out the recession. Poverty and civil liberties advocates fear the strategy could backfire, discouraging some people from seeking financial aid and making already desperate situations worse.
Those in favor of the drug tests say they are motivated out of a concern for their constituents' health and ability to put themselves on more solid financial footing once the economy rebounds. But proponents concede they also want to send a message: you don't get something for nothing.
So
You get tested to make sure you aren't doing "drugs" when you work and now when you don't work.
Equation equals - they don't want you to do drugs at all.
But it's perfectly fine to take killer FDA drugs.
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
One way to look at this:
One way to look at this: many of us get drug tested and have to be clean in order to work. But the recipients of our tax dollars (in the form of welfare) do not have to be clean in order to receive the money. I don't see anything unfair about that. Great idea.
"Nothing is so powerful as an idea whose time has come*
privacy
I think its an invasion of privacy to watch someone pee, but it makes me wonder how many people draw entitlements because they are drug positive and so can't get a job.
One the other hand, the money it would cost would be better spent elsewhere.
Let me just say this....
We are on food stamps.
This sort of "THOSE people on welfare" comments really irk me and I see them all the time...
Not everyone that is receiving some type of help is a lazy no good bum that is just sitting back riding the government wave and buying big screen TV's.
I run two businesses. I home-school. I work my rear end off to make money. We tried to get regular jobs and couldn't. I lost my house. I'm about to lose my van. I have a business that owes me $900 right now that I can't get and may not now be able to pay the rent for April in the place we are at after only being here a few weeks. And I have a child with a food allergy that makes his food twice as much as everyone else. A box of macaroni and cheese for him with no wheat is nearly $3.00 a box. A loaf of wheat free bread for him is $6.00. A box of wheat free biscuit or brownie mix is nearly $6.00.
I have paid into the tax system for 14 years and I can assure you that the money I have received for food in the last several months doesn't come close to the taxes I've paid in those 14 years.
So be cautious on how you generalize people that are on some type of government assistance. I don't deserve it. And although I would pass a drug test with flying colors, I don't deserve to be subjected to one just because I get some money to eat every month right now.
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If they want drug testing,
If they want drug testing, I'd rather see mandatory for all elected officials.
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"Socialism needs two legs on which to stand; a right and a left. While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,they both march in the same direction." - Paul Proctor
I agree,and also no pensions
I agree,and also no pensions for the elected.Get a real job to secure your retirement or invest!!
No secret service after holding office.If they want to feel secure they can pay for it themselves.
This drug testing for benefits will need even more money to implement.It's funny that we want other people that have more in common with the average person to jump through hoops to have benefits.Yet elected officials live high on the hog,vote for their own pay raises,have pensions,security,a high probability that anyone of them could get a million dollar salary working for a company that they legislatively benefited.Attend lavish party's,travel abroad,and are completely out of touch with the average American.
Yet here we are pitted against one another over drug testing.In actuality the government can make millions poor in no time at all.
Drug test for welfare? - no
The bigger picture and question is why are so many on welfare? I think most here know the answer.
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"A government of reason is better than one of force." --Thomas Jefferson to Richard Rush, 1820
"you don't get something for nothing".
Ahem.
You do if you're a politician.
Maybe they should be Chipped
So we know what they do all day. Maybe we should monitor the foods they buy, so they eat healthy. Maybe we should force them to quit smoking. Maybe they should only be allowed to view certain TV programs.
Maybe...
Maybe they should get off government assistance. If a person is a recipient of a governmental socialist program, then that person must accept the rules and consequences of the program. Whether it be limits on income or drug testing. The person can always "just say no" to government assistance.
Two wrongs don't make a right
And as others have pointed out, it creates a terrible precedent if receiving government tainted money means that the government can violate your rights. I suppose you are fine with DUI roadblocks that would require a durg or alcohol test. Its a government road right.
The really big entitlement plans are actually Social security, and Medicare/medicaid anyway, welfare for lazy people is the least of our problems.
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Corporations should get off govt assistance. People who are on government assistance are on govt assistance becuse the government put them there. Social security is not a opt out plan one pays into, and the govt owes the worker that money, and that retired, disabled worker, has a right to the money they paid in with out drug tests..
Next think, a bank will give you a drug test to get your tax refund...
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End all "government assistance" business nor individuals
nor government have a right to take from one and give to another.
Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
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Oh yes the government does
Not that I agree, Americans PAY social Security and Americans deserve their money back. You don't pay into SS, you should not get SS. Corporations don't pay into SS. PEOPLE DO!
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The government doesn't have the right to do it
they do it by force, SS should be scraped as well. People survived for untold centuries without SS. Scrap it, and count what we "paid" ( was seized) as lost. It isn't there, and making them pay us back money that isn't there, I hate to say it, will just cause them to inflate even more, and thereby put us into worse shape than if they just scrap it.
Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
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SS and Medicare is really the big problem
Too many people are living way too long for the Ponzi scheme to continue. This will all come home to roost in the next ten years.
What?
Too many people are living too long?
What many baby boomers fear, because this ponzi scheme had baby boomers issued SS#s when the entered 8th grade and they paid into SS their entire working lives, and as they saw illegal immigrants, and institutionalized non-working people and released prisoners take SS, that they had NOT paid into... they felt ripped off and.. all those "homemakers" who never paid directly into SS... well, now that baby boomers are reaching the age of PAYBACK, it loooks like the governemnt, and those who have not paid into SS want to rip the baby boomers off. Boomers didn't invent the ponzi scheme, they were victims paying into it, and I hope they get it back.
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I am sympathetic
Being at the very tail end of the Baby boom myself. Check out this episode of frontline
http://community.cengage.com/GECResource/blogs/gec_blog/arch...
It has these keynesians that I don't agree with saying we have to spend, but the part about the debt is spot on.
The thing is, in the end, someone will not get paid. Who that will be, I'm not sure. If my luck is an indicator, it will be me who does not get paid. At least I won't receive any money back until I'm 67 or 70.
And the people that they origianlly counted on to fund the ponzi
scheme, well many of those folks aren't working, and are receiving "benefits" instead of paying into the system to fund it. The government in trying to increase its support has in effect undercut its only source of funding to keep the ponzi scheme that is SS going.
Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
*May the only ones to touch your junk, be the ones you want to touch your junk.*
True, there is no right to someone else's money or time
There should be no welfare or government assistance at all, but if there is going to be, I have no problem with it not going to folks that are going to spend it on drugs. Further, I think that if they are going to be receiving government (our) money that they should not be allowed to have the fancy cars, the gilded tractor wheels on those cars, the stereos' the clothes, the TV's, all the typical stuff you see in the projects that was bought with government (our) monies.
To clarify no welfare at all is ideal, but if they are going to do it, those people taking our labor and money from us, we should say how it is spent.
If they spend our money on anything other than the basics of food, shelter, and clothing then take it all back.
Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
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basically make them our slaves , right ?
My pool needs swept, get over here you lazy welfare mom, and bring the kids, they can weed my Garden.
Did you read that anywhere? No, you didn't, you made it up
to suit your point. Read it again and if you still disagree then let's talk about it. What is actually said not what is made up.
Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
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More or less
You said - "those people taking our labor and money from us, we should say how it is spent."
First, they didn't take your money, the government did. The government decides who to give the money to.
If the welfare recipient has no choice about how the money he gets is spent, that makes them slaves to the government, just like the animals in the Zoo.
So, it is okay for Mary (the government), to take money from
Paul (the productive), to pay Peter ( the unproductive), and it is wrong for Paul to have any say as to how his money was spent?
Would you condone this if Susie (another individual ) took the place of Mary ( the government). Or would you call Susie's action theft, and the Peter would be guilty of receiving stolen property?
We have welfare, we aren't going to get rid of it, it is to far entrenched into us, but to have no checks on how the monies that are seized from Paul and that are given to Peter are spent makes the initial theft even worse.
Not only are resources that Paul could have used to provide for his own sustenance no longer there for him to use, those same resources that he labored to acquire are not only taken from him to use, he is forced to see them wasted on rims, TV's, and shiny clothes.
Who is the slave to who? Paul worked to provide for himself, yet his resources went to pay Peter so again who is whose slave?
When this comes full circle Paul can't provide for himself, so Mary (the government) goes out and finds someone else to take resources from in order to pay Paul, it is Susie this time, and guess what now Paul is no longer productive, he isn't allowed to be, because if he is, Mary takes his resources, so he is forced to become like Peter, he doesn't want to be, but he has no other choice.
When this comes full circle you end up with good folks that want to work for themselves that can't because all the Paul's have been forced by the government to become Peters, Paul can't hire them any more he's broke,Peter can't hire them he spent most of the money on shiny stuff, Mary all she does is steal, she can't hire them, Susie, well Susie is just screwed until she becomes like Peter as well.
So again who is the slave?
Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
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It's not ok for mary to take the products of paul
But that's what boomers were born into, and so MARY DID TAKE THE MONEY and paid... SUSIE to continue making bad cars for paul, and peter who also took money from Mary, like a dime to every dollar.
But it's easier to beat up peter than susie or mary or paul.
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That is why all of them (us) have to just take our lumps
And stop passing this system on to each subsequent generation. We were screwed, there is nothing we can do about that except decide to ether pass it on, (inflation, higher taxes) or stop it. The welfare system and SS, it has screwed each and every generation that has existed since it's inception, but why pass it on. We didn't deserve the screw job, nether do our kids and their kids.
What was taken from the boomers, it ain't there, what was taken from the X'ers it ain't there, what is being taken from their great, great, great squared grandchildren it ain't there. Some generation just has to have the guts to quit passing it on.
Thank you Dr. Paul for making me act on what I already knew was right.
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