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HealthNut4freedom & Michael: Pro Life Censorship on th DP Forum

Last night I posted a news story regarding the business practices of Mr. Feldkamp, whose family was killed in a plane crash this week.

I stated that I was disgusted with the RP campaign collecting and accepting funds from the abortion business. I stand by that post and I plan on expressing my disappointment directly to Dr. Paul's office.

The news article went on to state the observations of a pro-life activist to the news.

Somehow this has rubbed "healthnutforfreedom" the wrong way and my post has been removed.

I do not in any way agree that the news article was disrespectful.I am not "hateful" _____I AM TRUTHFUL. I guess that makes you uncomfortable.

What i do believe is that anyone who denies the right to life to the unborn and calls himself a constitutionalist is delusional at best. Healthnut4freedom - may I ask whose freedom you wish to protect ?

So go ahead and preach "freedom of speech" all you want - but your true colors are showing when you delete posts which make you uncomforatble.

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My apologies

Please accept my sincere apology for posting my original reply in the original forum. I can understand that was not the place to do so.

I completely respect Michael's ownership and mangement of this blog and forum and he has every right to delete any post he wishes.

It is clear to me that this forum is not the correct arena in which to present strongly held moral views. I will stick to my Christian forums in the future for such discussion.

We have strong moral views here

many of us feel no desire to label them Christian. Even if we believe in Jesus.

Margie...Your first 2

Margie...Your first 2 paragraphs were nothing but perfection. But believe me, this is exactly the right place to debate your prolife beliefs. If you want to speak to the choir, sure the Christian forums are where you want to be.

But let me tell you that right here on DP, I have read comments from posters who were once prochoicers and have become prolifers..... all because of what Ron Paul said and wrote in regard to his beliefs on the rights of the unborn. Ron Paul was truly eloquent on this issue. Where have you ever heard of a prolifer becoming prochoice?

Just curious, SoBe, if your

Just curious, SoBe, if your comments are directed at me and the few others who have expressed our refusal to accept the efforts of the federal government to control what we do with our bodies.

BTW, at the risk of sounding inconsistent, I believe Roe v. Wade was a poor way of assuring the reproductive freedom of women because it was basically unconstitutional in believing the Supreme Court had any standing to decide the issue at all. Put enough Constitutionalists on the Supreme Court and Roe will be overturned--with good reason.

I am a supporter of the Constitution and not your enemy. I do not believe my support of Ron Paul in any way undermines him or his message, and I respect his pro-life message enough that I would not try to change his mind. I am pro-choice and not pro-abortion.

Pro

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson

Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.

I'm not going

to get in a stinking argument with you over this.
Abortion has been described as murder and I agree with that.
You believe what you want but don't waste your time trying to change my mind about it.

"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"

"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"

"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"

Truce, SoBe

The only thing I am trying to persuade anyone here about is my zeal in defending the Constitution. If the Constitution were followed in this matter, legislation and judicial attempts to regulate abortion would fall to the states. I prefer to subordinate my personal opinion on this issue to the greater wisdom of the Constitution.

I lay down my weapon...

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson

Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.

I didn't want an argument

to begin with. I just voiced an opinion.

"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"

"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"

"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"

little more compilcated than that,

obviously. This is about a life form that grows inside another life form. They are NOT shooting some baby in the head that happens to be on the street corner.

It's more complicated only if you make it more

"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"

"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"

"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"

Isn't SOBE

an Egyptian name for a sun worshiping diety with a alligator head?

Aren't you

that same little trouble making azwipe anarchist that has hitched a ride on the RP bandwagon just to see how far it will take you?

"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"

"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"

"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"

What does this site have to

What does this site have to do with freedom of speech?

If you believe in freedom then you do not have the right NOT to be offended.

Also the constitution on freedom of speech is clear it says CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW. last time I checked this site was not owned by the congress or the Government.

This site falls under private property rights therefor they have the right to do what they wish which includes deleting posts or even banning someone for no reason.

You however are free to not post here or start your own site and run it how ever you wish.

To make claims in your comment about freedom of speech is redundant and leads me to believe that you really don't have a true understanding of what the constitution states or stands for.

I am also pro life but I believe in freedom and respect the rights of others even if I disagree with such people!

If we are gooing to make changes in this country we must start with understainding exactly what our rights are so we can properly defend them.

Here is a question for you; what rights does the constitution grant you as an individual?

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Did you post it on the "Mourning our Loss" post?

If so, I think you've answered your own question.

I've posted anti-abortion items here and I've never
had a problem. (I say anti-abortion sometimes because
I'm not afraid to be against something.)

This site isn't just about "free speech." This site belongs
to Michael and if you did post it on the "Mourning our Loss"
blog, that was innappropriate in the mind of Michael--I'm guessing.
And I agree.

*And Dr. Paul has already commented on accepting money.
He accepts money as an endorsement of his own message
and work, not as an endorsement of the people who send
him the money. If you think about it, this is a very sound
idea. God judges the heart. Other politicians will get caught
getting money from an unpopular source, then they will brag
about how they gave the money back---and still have very
wicked hearts.

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Dr Paul has already explained

his rationale on donations from people he does not agree with: he takes their money and uses it for good.

I agree with this.

Who the Ron Paul Campaign excepts money from or DP for that matter is irrelavent.

That's correct

Why would pro abortionists waste their money donating to a pro-life program unless it's just part of the ongoing smear campaign.
The KKK said they supported Obama during the runoff. Same stuff, different day.

"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"

"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"

"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"

wow.

since when was the ron paul revolution a 'pro life program'?

Ron Paul is pro life

what's wrong with you? You got hung up on the word "program"?

It's not a pro life program in the usual sense but most people follow Ron Paul on the issues.

"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"

"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"

"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"

"Ron Paul is pro life" --- so what.

i'm okay with him being pro life.

i'm pro choice. i see no conflict whatsoever.

i'm not going to stop liking ron paul because he's pro life. it is a non issue for me.

remember his saying 'freedom is popular'?

You are pro choice....so what.

I don't feel conflicted about it either.

"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"

"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"

"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"

Ron Paul said he'd leave it to the states to decide

Which means he doesn't regard it as murder.

I'm pro-choice

...but believe the federal government should have no power over my body. I think the Constitution backs me up on this one. Therefore I have never inflicted my own opinions on this subject on anyone at the DP.

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson

Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.

Everyone who has ever read

Everyone who has ever read my posts knows that I am deeply passionate about the rights of the unborn. Ron Paul had me with his Statement of Faith.
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=916

I also have written about my opposition to the deletion of DP posts. I did not read your deleted post Margie, but from the comments below, I believe you used poor judgment in writing that post. The timing was wrong. It was a very sad day for our Daily Paul family.

I'm sorry, but you need to let this go. There will be many opportunities to post your opinions in the future. There are times when we need to show some compassion. This was one of those times.

I am against abortion.

But keep it in perspective. Abortion will never be eliminated, especially through hate.

Get a grip on what is going on in society. Try and work with those people who are in trouble.

You'd use government thugs to violate a woman's body

The woman's life takes precedence over the fetus's. She was there first. Her health and choices is the paramount issue. Case closed.

The location of your post

Was the issue. You can post wherever you like, as far as I am concerned. I had a problem with how completely DISTASTEFUL and INAPPROPRIATE your post was in a place where people were offering condolences. You have absolutely no sense of propriety; just what feels good to you.

I am prolife but I am also very considerate of honoring people who suffered. The problem with people who have an agenda, is they seem to think that is all that matters. You needed to put your agenda on the shelf when you came to that place. Otherwise, you could have started a new post. Besides, what's your point? To bash someone or to report something that we all need to know to advance the cause of freedom, peace, and liberty?

Healthnut4freedom

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

Healthnut4freedom

The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment...Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight. Prov 12:19,22

i agree with michael's decision.

it was not the time or place.

He also got money from white supremacist groups

and probably from a whole bunch of felons and other people who've done something wrong in their life. Dr. Paul already addressed this-he can't dance to the media's tune every time someone uncovers something bad about one of his donors. Millions of people supported his election campaign and to nitpick who is or isn't for his values is not a "job" for one of the few people on his staff. Just because he took their money doesn't mean he supports their values, they just support his values.

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Stop tryikng to make morality a legal issue

The Constitution is the LAW of the land. Your opinion on abortion is based on YOUR interpretation of morality, which I find offensive, frankly. You wanted that 9 year old girl in Brazil to carry her step-dad's twins? Anyway, I do NOT have to agree with your interpretation of what is moral to agree that Roe v Wade is unconstittional. YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE MORALITY. Stop telling me what to do with my body and you and I can fight side by side, YOU are the one putting a wall between us.

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

I think complaints are better as email. Off the front page drama

For discussions about moderation..

/Mike

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