Ron Paul: "I now call the Fed the fourth branch of government."
Submitted by Flame on Sat, 03/28/2009 - 10:53In several interviews and speeches recently, Dr. Paul has pointed out that the Fed is a "branch of government." For example here: http://www.youtube.com/wa... and here: http://www.youtube.com/wa...
It's great that Dr. Paul is helping dispell the popular myth that it's a private business. We're all taught, from grade school on up in Social Studies, Civics and American Government classes that the Fed is a private institution or private-government hybrid. It's in EVERY school textbook that discusses the Fed. But, the reality is that there is very little about it that resembles a private business. It's time to wake up from that deception. The Fed, is as Dr. Paul calls it, a "fourth branch of government," - not a private bank.
Incidentally, this is why it should be audited - because it's a branch of government. If it were a private business, it should be left alone, like government should leave all businesses alone in accordance with the principles of laissez-faire. That it's a "branch of government," is the only justification to audit it.
The problem with the Fed is that's NOT a private business - not a capitalist enterprise. To the contrary, it functions as a socialist arm of the government.
Let's PRIVATIZE THE FED! To privatize the Fed, you have to eliminate the legal tender laws. The legal tender law is how the government prevents other producers of money from competing. It's how the government maintains monopoly control over the money supply, which serves as the lifeblood of big government. Abolishing legal tender law would release the Fed into the market, where it would have to compete with other producers of money (as per the Austrian economics support for private market-produced money).
Also, with privatization, it would be allowed to keep its own profits, unlike now where it turns over all its profits to the Treasury to fund the welfare/warfare state. Without the monopoly control of money by the Fed, the government would lose the largest funding source - both from profits transferred from the Federal Reserve branch of government to the Treasury as well as debt monetization services - for welfare, war, and other forms of government growth and waste.
And of course, to fully privatize it, the President of the U.S. would no longer be allowed to appoint who heads it, and Bernanke's salary would no longer be capped by Congress. Finally, the dividend rate paid to those who purchase stock would no longer be set by the government at 6%, but set autonomously by the board of directors in response to the market.
If we privatized the Fed, it would no longer have the ability centrally control the money supply, and the Treasury would lose the ability to steal our wealth through having the Fed monetize the debt and inflate the money supply. This would cause the growth of government to come to a halt - resulting in the expansion of freedom. The Fed would become a truly private institution, which could only survive if it could compete in the marketplace.
If we privatized the Fed, it would no longer be a central bank and central economic planner, but just another business. It would no longer be a branch of government. Then, and only then, would it be "as Federal as Federal Express."
Let's privatize the Fed.

















Actually, the fed is really the 5th branch...
the media is/has been the 4th branch for quite some time
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
Prove it.
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PRIVATIZE THE FED!!! De-link it from the State and subject it to competition.
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
9/11 was "blowback," not an inside job. -Dr. Paul's position. T
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
The media and federal reserve are the same 2 headed hydra!!
Get it straight.
The Media IS the mouthpiece for the Fed, and the Fed is the monopoly money for the media. Without the Media, the Fed. Banks couldn't get their wars from sea to shining sea nor could they colonize.
It would be disadvantageous in the extreme, so of course the Media consciously lies to keep all the sheeple asleep of this fact. "The Media" is only all of a sudden trying/acting as if to obey the constitution, in order to fool stupid people who do not realize it has been hiding the truth about Banking since day one. Combined they are the 4th highest branch of Government.
Nonsense. You can't generalize like that.
How about people in the media that attack the Fed? They're not part of the conspiracy you think exists. How about Fox Business, who has major hosts such as David Asman, who support elimination of the Fed?
It doesn't make sense to collectivize all media into "the media" and ascribe characteristics to it.
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PRIVATIZE THE FED!!! De-link it from the State and subject it to competition.
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
9/11 was "blowback," not an inside job. -Dr. Paul's position. T
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
Sure it does, just like it
Sure it does, just like it makes sense to collectivize the corrupt acts of Congress even though there are a few decent and one good member of that body.
Ventura 2012
Just like it makes sense to collectivize you
as human, and ascribe all atrocities committed to humanity. If you want to do that fine, but it's not productive. It makes more sense to distinguish the some humans from others. Likewise it makes sense to distinguish some news outlets from others, praise their qualities, but even then being careful to note that not all reporters in any particular media outlet have the same views. Just to blanket attack "the media" is ridiculous.
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PRIVATIZE THE FED!!! De-link it from the State and subject it to competition.
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
9/11 was "blowback," not an inside job. -Dr. Paul's position. T
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
I strongly disagree. It is a
I strongly disagree. It is a preponderance of the evidence issue, and most people probably would find qualifying every damn statement they make to be even less productive.
Ventura 2012
So you can't say that Fox Business, for example
is doing more for Dr. Paul's cause than all other media outlets?
You don't see any difference? We should boycott them all equally, instead of giving business to those that serve our ends so that they may continue to stay on the air?
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PRIVATIZE THE FED!!! De-link it from the State and subject it to competition.
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
9/11 was "blowback," not an inside job. -Dr. Paul's position. T
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
what?
what?
Ventura 2012
Good point...and the media
Good point...and the media is largely private too.
Ventura 2012
TheStreet.com: "The Case for Privatizing the Fed."
http://www.thestreet.com/story/14439/1.html
Good article, from all the way back in 1998!
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PRIVATIZE THE FED!!! De-link it from the State and subject it to competition.
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
9/11 was "blowback," not an inside job. -Dr. Paul's position. T
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
Welcome to disinformation
Let's distract everyone with the most petty of details so that nothing gets done.
Rothbard is like the Old Testament, Ron Paul is the New Testament.
Understanding the old testament helps you with the new.
Flame is using the same tactics that opponents use to attack religious and historical texts.
You don't have to know how many cracks are in your tire to realize it's flat and you need to fix it.
If you want to privatize the Fed then get off your ass and run for Congress and create your own Bill to do it.
Until then your opinion is void and no one cares.
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Please logically dismantle
Please logically dismantle his argument, since you're calling it "disinformation".
I think Flame's made it clear (in his post and comments) that he doesn't want the Federal Reserve having any special government enforced privileges. It's current ownership status (whether it's privately owned or publicly owned) is almost irrelevant, since it only exists because the government created it and protects it. Take away it's government protection and then it has to provide a valuable service or product to survive.
What's wrong with this? What's anti-freedom about this? How is this inconsistent with Ron Paul's ideas?
What's wrong is that privatization is DANGEROUS.
It has to be openly discussed because he's brought it in before.
Privatization works SOMETIMES but in the case of the Fed, with glassy eyed fascists like Geithner running the Federal Reserve privatization might make things worse.
The worst Federal Banks have been nationalized and some are set to be.
Even that seemed better, SLIGHTLY, then massive privatization.
If the Federal Reserve was taken over completely by private interests and became like Apple, who's to say what kind of pandora's box that would open up?
The Federal Government would still be getting kickbacks from the Federal Reserve, $30,000 from Citigroup, another $40,000 from the banks, another $100,000 here or there.
And only now the Federal Reserve wouldn't have to show its hand to anybody, because a private group took over all its operations and decided it was "STATE SECRETS" which shall not have to go before the Congress.
If it doesn't even have to respond to Congress, to the people and public, then the Private Federal Reserve should have no right to "OUR" money!!
That's a worst case scenario out of mass privatization. That they refuse to talk to anyone from that point on, they don't have to, and the only way to end this would be to eliminate the UNCONSTITUTIONAL legal tender law.
Maybe that is what he demands? Eliminate the Federal legal tender law, and then it doesn't matter what the Fed does because all the other currencies could have equal use in the marketplace. Congress could not be monopolized?
The only free-market
The only free-market consistent way to "privatize" the Federal Reserve is to remove all the government privileges/protections/obligations it has, which implies:
These are a few of the assumptions I make on this subject, but I suppose it's reasonable to think most people here don't.
So you say that the Federal Legal Tender law would be abolished?
Is that the only way to open up a true free market system? **
Read this by Dr. Paul
Introduction of the Honest Money Act: http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=914
It's the same position I have. Let's convert to a private free market money system, not government money.
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PRIVATIZE THE FED!!! De-link it from the State and subject it to competition.
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
9/11 was "blowback," not an inside job. -Dr. Paul's position. T
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
Dr. Paul advocates the same thing.
He's said many times he wants to eliminate the legal tender law. This would privatize the Fed, in that would cause the Fed to have to compete in the market for income, and result in its eventual elimination unless it started issuing gold-backed money. It would be one of a variety of issuers of competing currencies. To eliminate the legal tender law, would be to eliminate the Fed as a central bank. The privatize the Fed is to effectively abolish it. That's what I'm proposing.
I'm not advocating anything any different from Dr. Paul. I'm just saying it in a different way, to try to educate some people who erroneously think the Fed is already private.
If you don't want to privatize the Fed, then you're not on the same track with Dr. Paul.
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PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
9/11 was "blowback," not an inside job. -Dr. Paul's position. The Federal Reserve is "a fourth branch of government," not private enterprise. - Dr. Paul's position. How about we start listening to him?
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
Here we go again with another Mexican Hat Dance..
You're regurgitating meaningless points.
I think you need to read up on Rothbard because apparently you don't understand him at all.
Liberty is to be achieved by any method necessary -- everything else is frivolous to argue over.
You're not educating anyone, you're trying to throw a wrench into the liberty machine here at the dailypaul because you're a contrarian.
You have to be contrary to feel some sense of individuality to feed your ego.
You're a mouse with a bullhorn, "Look at me -- I'm different."
Some people dye their hair green or get a tattoo, you post on the daily paul.
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good point.It isn't that
good point.It isn't that Flame is wrong, its that he is using a meaningless semantics debate to divide and troll.
Ventura 2012
There is a difference between trolling
and educating. To dispell a groupthink myth is trolling in your view if you're one that subscribes to the myth that the Fed is private. In my view, I'm revolting against ignorance.
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PRIVATIZE THE FED!!! De-link it from the State and subject it to competition.
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
9/11 was "blowback," not an inside job. -Dr. Paul's position. T
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
To be incredibly obnoxious,
To be incredibly obnoxious, disingenuous, and uncompromising about it is trolling.
Ventura 2012
What is obnoxious, disingenous and uncompromising about
my article?
And what do you propose I should compromise?
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PRIVATIZE THE FED!!! De-link it from the State and subject it to competition.
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
9/11 was "blowback," not an inside job. -Dr. Paul's position. T
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
Nothing in the article. I
Nothing in the article. I actually found it well written. You could submit it to LRC, they might post it on the blog or something. It is your inflexibility and semantic dogmatism, totally devoid of any conciliatory tone in GENERAL that makes people think you are a troll.
Ventura 2012
I couldn't are less what they think about me personally.
Just as long as they get the point.
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PRIVATIZE THE FED!!! De-link it from the State and subject it to competition.
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
9/11 was "blowback," not an inside job. -Dr. Paul's position. T
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
Rothbard also says that the Fed is not private.
"Some writers make a great to-do over the legal fiction that the Federal Reserve System is “owned” by its member banks. In practice, this simply means that these banks are taxed to help pay for the support of the Federal Reserve. If the private banks really “own” the Fed, then how can its officials be appointed by the government, and the “owners” compelled to “own” the Federal Reserve Board by force of government statute? The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard, America's Great Depression
Looks like you're the one that needs to read Rothbard. He, Dr. Paul, I, and a select few others here, are trying to educate you people who fall for the myth that the Fed is private. We need you to realize that the fact that it is not private is why it's harmful.
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PRIVATIZE THE FED!!! De-link it from the Treasury and subject it to competition.
9/11 was "blowback," not an inside job. -Dr. Paul's position. The Federal Reserve is "a fourth branch of government," not private enterprise. - Dr. Paul's positio
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
This would look great
on the Daily Spooner. Why not post it there?
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
Spooner was clueless about economics of banking and money.
This is the DailyPaul. This is the place to post article in favor of abolition of Fed.
What does Spooner have to do with this?
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PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
9/11 was "blowback," not an inside job. -Dr. Paul's position. The Federal Reserve is "a fourth branch of government," not private enterprise. - Dr. Paul's position. How about we start listening to him?
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul
You are advocating
some type of anarcho-capitalism. Why else would you keep insisting it's a government branch?
And people have told you a thousand times to knock off this complusive behavior so obviously we DON'T want to keep reading your argument. I hope you get canned.
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
No i'm not.
I'm not an anarcho-capitalist. I oppose anarcho-capitalism. I'm not an anarchist of any kind. Spooner wasn't an anarcho-capitalist, so what are you talking about?
I'm advocating the same thing as Dr. Paul - a private competitive monetary system. Does that make Dr. Paul an anarcho-capitalist? Maybe you just don't know what anarcho-capitalism is? Your comments are strange.
The reason I insist it's a government branch, is because that's what bad about it. If it were a private institution, it would be good - no problem. We Austrian free marketers WANT private money and private banking. To claim that the Fed is a private bank and condemn it for that is to work against Dr. Paul and his ideas.
If you don't to read this anymore, then don't. No one's forcing you. Who is compulsive here?
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PRIVATIZE THE FED!!! De-link it from the Treasury and subject it to competition.
9/11 was "blowback," not an inside job. -Dr. Paul's position. The Federal Reserve is "a fourth branch of government," not private enterprise. - Dr. Paul's positio
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The Fed is not a private bank. PRIVATIZE THE FED!!!
"The Federal Reserve Banks should simply be regarded as governmental agencies." -Murray Rothbard
"I now call the Federal Reserve the fourth branch of government." -Ron Paul