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RP's New Hampshire Ads STINK - We have to target The Police State

Fear is a very effective tool for influencinging the voter (as Bush & Co have demonstrated). Wouldn’t it be nice if the voter feared the right thing?



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Well, if you think you can do a better job

If you think you can do a better job, you run for President, produce better commercials, and get elected.

Being a Paul supporter (indicated by posting on this site), I imagine you have similar viewpoints, so you should be able to garner the same kind of support running on a kindred platform.

Even better, you can run for your state legislature -and not diminish Paul's campaign by stealing his supporters. It's cheaper, and you can still use the fear commercial.

I'm glad Paul is being positive and running on a true optimist platform, and not going low-brow like the others and pandering to fear. We've had enough fear in this country, why not a little Hope for a change?

I agree with "different tactics for different crowds"

Many from NH say that the ads "are" doing well in their state. If you've caught any of the "local" media coming out of NH, they say the same, both print and television.

Ron has always taken the "higher road" in his campaign and I don't think he will do otherwise or let his campaign staff do otherwise. He knows that "we" have a mind of our own and so be it. If you wish to create ads or videos, post them on YouTube, etc. go for it, buddy.

I do agree with several of the comments in this thread, however, noting that different audiences call for different tactics. For the older, non-internet crowd, I think those commercials (as seeminly "sedate" as we may think they are) play well to the demographic they are intended for. This is mostly definitely not a "one size fits all" campaign when it comes to RP supporters...lol.

Why I did not like the ad

The ad with the people talking seemed to be aimed at the simple, and in NH we are very upscale. Not many people realize that until they come here and see how prosperous and wealthy this state is. (But they will find out when they get here)

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

Better Yet

Better yet have another mass donation day on December 16th and raise 10 million dollars! Campaign Headquarters has lost my trust! They're tearing us apart which is exactly what the neo-cons want. We must hijack the campaign! Our contributions for November the 5th put this campaign over the top, not those stupid ads that everyone hated! We can do it again and we will!

December 16th is two weeks too late

And I will say it again, what is important here, your ego or the timeliness of the donations?

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

i just made some commercials for Ron Paul

I just got done filming 6 spots for RP. Four 30 second spots and two one minute spots. The costs came out of my own pocket- $1,350.00. I'll be posting them online next week or so, after the CNN/YouTube debate. If anyone is interested in donating $$$ to make some really nice spots, let me know. I have a few more scripts that are a more hard hitting than RP's current spots, but need funds for locations and rentals. This would be a great way to donate for those who've already reached the $2300 limit.

thanks

- jeremiah black, NY, NY

jblackpost (at) gmail (dot) com

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Commercials

Looking forward to seeing them. Thanks.

soon

i need a week or so to finish editing them. Two are done now, and after the CNN/youtube competition, I'll put them up.

The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt

Your efforts are so encouraging...

...thank you.
It makes me so mad how much the networks hate Ron Paul. I know so many people who would only be swayed if they see RP talking to them over the boob tube. Sad but true.
Think of some of the Ron Paul videos and how many more people could be reached if the networks would interview him and show the viewers how passionate, kind, intelligent, determined, true, patriotic, genuine, and dedicated he is. Oh yeah - they don't WANT the country to see that.
What a waste. What a shame, what a crime.

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"Its the Economy Stupid"

That phrase, that Bill Clinton focused on, was over Bush Sr talking about his success in Iraq War I, and it alone may have won Bill Clinton the presidency.

Most Americans were very nervious about the economy. I would say today the economy is a 1000 times more fragile.

As long as we in the grassroots emphasize that Ron Paul has the right economics....and do not allow any other presidential candidate "own" that subject, we will win this election.

By focusing on the economy, blaming "policing the world" for trillion dollar expenditures, we can win this race.

Treg

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Ross Perot won Bill Clinton

Ross Perot won Bill Clinton the presidency.

Ross Perot didn't win Bill Clinton anything

George Bush was a weak candidate. The 10% Ross Perot pulled was because those people agreed with him. George Bush's failure to appeal to those people shouldn't be blamed on Perot.

That being said, and knowing that in a voting Republic we can vote for whomever we damn well please (within the limits of who can be elected per the Constitution), Bill Clinton got himself elected. The others just didn't have the platform to appeal to the public to pull in the most votes.

Perot

If he didn't win Clinton the election, he sure had a big part. The reality is, however, is that it would have made little difference as they are both big money puppets. I saw a Perot name from Texas that had donated to Hillary's campaign this time around, so that makes sense. And if Perot, who I voted for, wanted to staighten out this country so much, where the hell is he now when we finally have a great option. For that matter, the whole thing about him dropping out because of threats and then re-entering is total b.s. If someone is worried about threats, those threats don't just go away making it all of a sudden safe to run again. Yes, there's a very good chance that he was a shill for Billy Boy.

Bob W., Naples, FL

Different ads for different media, different target groups

I wasn't too impressed with the first ad I saw--the regular folks walking around, sitting at tables, talking about Ron Paul. It reminded me of the "Don't change horses in midstream" ad from the movie Wag the Dog. I thought the second ad of Dr. Paul addressing the camera and speaking was much more powerful.

But realistically, the TV ads are designed to reach a different demographic: older and less likely to be on the internet. That ad might seem downright awful to younger, internet-using, media-savvy Paulites who learned about Dr. Paul from youtube videos, but it probably appeals to those voters who get political information from TV and newspapers. I don't know when it's being aired, but I doubt they're buying time on the Daily Show with that ad.

It also tries to overcome the "he can't win" objection that's been drummed into the voters' heads by describing how people are "switching" to Ron Paul. Does anyone know if they did any focus groups before broadcasting the ad?

I don't like this idea

When we start using Bush and Co. tactics then you know we are going in the wrong direction. We are not fearmongers. We are freedommongers (if that is a word lol).

Let's continue to spread the message of freedom.

Adrian

George Bush tactics only superficially

Bush drummed up fear over something we had no need to be afraid of (if only 'minding our own business' were on the table along with preemptive nuclear strikes and regime change) in order to seize power. In this case, The Police State IS something we need to fear.

I'd love to have an RP equivalent of MoveOn.org

At least RP's supporters wouldn't wring their hands like a bunch of pussies when their Ads call a spade a spade. Viva La Revolution!

Divide and Conquer.

You say; ads STINK, bunch of pussies, spade a spade. You ARE winning friends and influencing minds, at least in the Huckster camp.
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ThermopolisWAR

You're here talking about war and threatening the government with guns (how do you think THAT's gonna play on Glen Beck?), and you criticize me for using the words 'stink', 'spade' and 'pussy'. Makes sense. At any rate, my Aunt says this is divisive. Very well. Carry on. I'm out here.

Warren Kruse

is my name, and I live in Thermopolis, WYO My mother named me Warren because she liked the actor who made it popular, not because it's first three letters spell war.
I don't care about GB, he is a pawn of the neo-cons, and he WILL fail. What I protest is how you start slamming the official campaign, and by association, the supporters (us) as well. Your Aunt is correct, you have exhibited divisive behavior.
To recap: I am not talking about war, and only a fool would threaten 'the government' with guns. Please study up on Thomas Jefferson, and his views about RKBA. Then you may see that my slogan is just the bumpersticker version of his views.
Read up on the jews in the Warsaw ghetto, too, and you may also see how having these tools available during times of strife may just give you a CHANCE of survival. peace, wrk

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It was only a criticism of TACTICS

I didn't mean to rankle the feathers of RP supporters. The stakes are enormous.

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hand, repeated and well-founded complaints should not fail of a hearing.

agreed!

And that is why this campaign ROCKS! Hope for America, the official campaign, is targeting the base. r3OVLution is not official, and reaches out to those who aren't as much a part of the 'system'. Both are based on a positive message. What you had talked about is more akin to the role of a PAC, who always use fear in their message.
Start a PAC. I'm serious! It is a hard thing to do, but if you truly believe in it, you can make it happen. Out here in WYO, we are starting to fire up a RLC state charter to do something with a PAC angle.
However, I believe the official campaign will not accept money from PACs. If the the PAC doesn't co-ordinate (communicate) with the official campaign, they can do what ads they want, to support RP.
So what do you think? Citizens Opposing the Police State, or COPS?

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By all means, let's be nice and civil

Just like the dead fish at the Federalist Society politely applauding George Bush as he pays lip service to the constitution. It got us this far, right?

Fight fire with fire...right on!

Fear is being used very effectively by the other candidates, but they are focusing voters' attention on the external threats. I strongly believe Ron Paul should talk more about the real and present dangers that threaten us here and now:

Dictatorship
Police State
Devalued dollar
Diebold machines

jg

Let the "internet" worry about the police state

Let RP's people handle all the old school stuff. Grandma and grandpa don't use the internet.

So you say.

I guess you need to quit your bitching, and start producing commercials! BTW, welcome to the DailyPaul. I was wondering; How do think your manners smell?

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Producing own commercials.

I was just looking on eBay for macromedia Flash to do just that. I have the technical know how, but lack the artistic talent to make an effective ad. Those milk-toast spots running in New Hampshire ain't gonna make it (even as 'well mannered' as they are).