Submitted by Average Jane on Sun, 03/29/2009 - 10:36.
about this argument about cheating. Heres why:
lets say we refuse to do what others have done/are doing to get their candidates to win: cheat. Sure, we have taken the higher ground, but because everyone does it, if we did not, we would never be able to compete. i say to hell with it, lets use this poll as an example FOR fair voting practices. If we are "attacked" and called cheaters, so be it, it will draw attention to us (any press is good press), and when it does, we can surely prove that the other side was "cheating" as well. So, we can use this poll as an example why and how current voting practices are not sound.
We want voting to be fair and honest, but our current voting system is set up to encourage and protect dishonesty, and we have just proven that to you. If voting is not changed in order to create a more honest system, and the powers that be insist on clinging to a system that will never be honest, do not expect us to sit aside and not participate or compete in whatever system you have set up.
I never really intended for people to cheat.... I mostly just wanted to let people know what happened... but then some people took it a bit seriously, myself included....
Submitted by Jive_Dadson on Sun, 03/29/2009 - 10:27.
What he said. The stupid thing is not important. But there could be blowback. Let the Romney-bots have the silly thing. Rome is burning. Put away the fiddles.
Submitted by freespeech on Sun, 03/29/2009 - 07:34.
you are looking at this in a twisted way. you cannot use dark tactics to show the light. why? because it is then tainted in dark and the negativity lingers. it is the INTENTION that matters. heres a suggestion, how about knowing that ron paul has alraedy won and by that i mean that the truth has been exposed and i, for one, have faith that everything is already happening and worked out. if that doesn't work for ya, then just know that what comes around goes around.
Submitted by 2ndamenduser on Sun, 03/29/2009 - 04:59.
Look at my name and see if I believe in self defense!
This has nothing to do with self defense. I'm not being attacked. Neither is Ron Paul, except by you guys who who abuse his reputation by endorsing cheating.
Submitted by freespeech on Sun, 03/29/2009 - 07:59.
is what my mama always told me and it is truth Dr.Paul stands on which is why I am SO attracted to him. PLUS, Ron Paul demonstrates patience in a way I can only fathom. He is a perfect teacher for me.
Submitted by 2ndamenduser on Sun, 03/29/2009 - 05:31.
Then write, email or call npr and advise them that you believe others are cheating, but to lower yourself to the level of a cheater should be beneath a true freedom fighter.
Those who have a good conscience are guided by it. Those who don't reveal they don't by their actions.
Submitted by freespeech on Sun, 03/29/2009 - 08:03.
but i would like to add that everyone has a conscious- there is no good or bad, but the INTENTION behind the action that creates harmony or tension and that is the freewill choice that is gifted to each and everyone.
~peace
Submitted by 2ndamenduser on Sun, 03/29/2009 - 04:41.
Now I know why it is so hard to get good people to join the Ron Paul revolution. They see and hear things like this and say, "What a bunch of anarchist crooks!"
I am really ashamed of most of the comments on this thread. You people who talk about cheating aren't true Ron Paulers because he would never advocate cheating. Why don't you join the Obama crowd, you'd fit in better with those liars and cheats, or better still, join the McCain/Palin/Bush/Cheney team, we all know they have lied and cheated. They cheated Ron Paul!
We can do without you guys! Seriously!
Or , you can get some guts and some principles. But unfortunately, they don't come very often without faith in Jesus Christ and His Word; which I doubt any of you have.
People like you will sell out true constitutional principles for something you want. You're just along for the ride becaue you think the Revolution will win you the ability to do drugs legally and have sex with who ever and whatever you want! Freedom to you is a convouted idea that does not include responsibility because you certainly are not responsible enough to be honest in a simple online poll. With you, the ends justifies the means. That's liberal, fascist, socialistic, and communistic thinking.
This is why we lose a lot of good people from the DP. Well, I'm not leaving. I'm just gonna call you out.
LIARS and CHEATERS!! Get right with God! Get right with Ron Paul; and get right with the principles of the Constitution!
such a tactic is not cheating if the rules were already changed.
If the Romney crowd changed the rules, then you are not cheating by now staying within the new boundries of the rules, which were not changed by us, but by the opponent.
Besides, this really does not reach the level of a sin, it is merely fun and games. No one gets hurt and everyone is having fun.
These people are without honor. They will tear down the country, destroy the economy, even kill many of us, just as long as they win.
I wish it were otherwise, but wishing just won't get the job done.
Submitted by JoeDanger on Sun, 03/29/2009 - 03:00.
58-41 romney. what a crock of shit.
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For an informed citizenry, individuals must discard the television set in favor of the acquisition of information via either books and/or the internet. An uneducated populous will remain in ignorance and thus continue to suffer the sharp ax of tyranny.
Romney is now stompin' Ron Paul. Is this not telling us how the real world works. It may be a silly little poll.....but its some major manipulation of the tally. How will it be reported? Do we fight fire with fire? Bring Out The Torches Gang!! Did I just say that? Is this the seduction of winning inside the beltway? HMMM. It would sure be nice to win this one, though. Aren't we supposed to be the internet/tech savvy Ron Paulites?
Submitted by free.alive on Sun, 03/29/2009 - 01:20.
yes its just a stupid poll.... on the other hand, its fun. Its a game, so play it well. An online poll of this sort, which doesn't prevent you from voting more than once, is obviously designed to allow the most dedicated and creative supporters win.
Look at that! Just like a real election. Quit fussing people and have fun with it. We've come this far, so I say we just win the damn thing!
After all it's only an internet poll... all sides cheated obviously and all these macro stuff is getting ridiculously stupid and yes I'm at fault too so now what?
Well lets just see how this plays out and hear what NPR says on the radio about our camp as well as Mitt's/Palin's/Huckabee's/Pence's/Demint's camp on monday. It will be hysterical!
So I'm going to bed and when I wake up, I'm just going to see how bad the Romney political machine skewed the votes and just laugh it off xD
We have been infiltrated by "macro" trolls. Planted idiots who advocated the use of these diabolical things. I say we renounce the use of these things and let the cheaters have their day. Let us regain the high ground.
I cast a vote for no more macro. No more cheating. F*&^ Mitt Romney. The only way he wins anything is through diabolical and evil means. His followers are greedy money grubbing soulless agents of the devil himself. Demonized for one thing and one thing only. To buy out the opposition and to "hack" their way to the top. If this continues Mitt Domeniga's army of spammers will fix the poll and he will sit at the right hand of Satan himself in the center as number 1.
Let them have this win. The forces of darkness. The unholy of unholy. Let his scum macro to their hearts content. F*&K them.
I must say I'm
a little lost here...obviously, this thread is in response to another...since there is no link above...
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thanks for editing your post
thanks for editing your post Reason. Now if teh mods can just delete the entire thing that'd be great.
Well, Im torn
about this argument about cheating. Heres why:
lets say we refuse to do what others have done/are doing to get their candidates to win: cheat. Sure, we have taken the higher ground, but because everyone does it, if we did not, we would never be able to compete. i say to hell with it, lets use this poll as an example FOR fair voting practices. If we are "attacked" and called cheaters, so be it, it will draw attention to us (any press is good press), and when it does, we can surely prove that the other side was "cheating" as well. So, we can use this poll as an example why and how current voting practices are not sound.
We want voting to be fair and honest, but our current voting system is set up to encourage and protect dishonesty, and we have just proven that to you. If voting is not changed in order to create a more honest system, and the powers that be insist on clinging to a system that will never be honest, do not expect us to sit aside and not participate or compete in whatever system you have set up.
ya, don't cheat guys. This
ya, don't cheat guys. This entire thread should be removed imo.
done and done
I never really intended for people to cheat.... I mostly just wanted to let people know what happened... but then some people took it a bit seriously, myself included....
This is NOT good.
It is not good that our side wins the spambot war....
What he said. The stupid
What he said. The stupid thing is not important. But there could be blowback. Let the Romney-bots have the silly thing. Rome is burning. Put away the fiddles.
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Mutt 32%
Freedom is not FREE!!
LOL!!!!
I suggest that after this round, we stay within the rules until someone else changes them.
The vote totals by Romney in the last day or so showed the rules had changed, but we should only use Romney rules against Romney.
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
they are using Diebolt
to count the votes?
guys and gals
you are looking at this in a twisted way. you cannot use dark tactics to show the light. why? because it is then tainted in dark and the negativity lingers. it is the INTENTION that matters. heres a suggestion, how about knowing that ron paul has alraedy won and by that i mean that the truth has been exposed and i, for one, have faith that everything is already happening and worked out. if that doesn't work for ya, then just know that what comes around goes around.
~peace
~peace
Don't you believe in self
Don't you believe in self defense?
Ventura 2012
What a stupid question!
Look at my name and see if I believe in self defense!
This has nothing to do with self defense. I'm not being attacked. Neither is Ron Paul, except by you guys who who abuse his reputation by endorsing cheating.
Ron Paul is being attacked
Ron Paul is being attacked by cheaters, we are responding in kind. We know that in legitimate polls, we win. A 20+ percentage change is not legit.
Ventura 2012
Ron Paul is NOT being attacked at all.
We need a bigger B.S. shovel here, marked 'hyperbole'.
Ron Paul is not being "attacked" if he loses a popularity contest. A contest, I may add, of which he is utterly oblivious.
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cheaters never prosper
is what my mama always told me and it is truth Dr.Paul stands on which is why I am SO attracted to him. PLUS, Ron Paul demonstrates patience in a way I can only fathom. He is a perfect teacher for me.
~peace
~peace
Then write or call...
Then write, email or call npr and advise them that you believe others are cheating, but to lower yourself to the level of a cheater should be beneath a true freedom fighter.
Those who have a good conscience are guided by it. Those who don't reveal they don't by their actions.
amen!!
but i would like to add that everyone has a conscious- there is no good or bad, but the INTENTION behind the action that creates harmony or tension and that is the freewill choice that is gifted to each and everyone.
~peace
~peace
"It's just one big club...
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
"Tyrants fear nothing more than insubordination"
"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"
Now I know why...
Now I know why it is so hard to get good people to join the Ron Paul revolution. They see and hear things like this and say, "What a bunch of anarchist crooks!"
I am really ashamed of most of the comments on this thread. You people who talk about cheating aren't true Ron Paulers because he would never advocate cheating. Why don't you join the Obama crowd, you'd fit in better with those liars and cheats, or better still, join the McCain/Palin/Bush/Cheney team, we all know they have lied and cheated. They cheated Ron Paul!
We can do without you guys! Seriously!
Or , you can get some guts and some principles. But unfortunately, they don't come very often without faith in Jesus Christ and His Word; which I doubt any of you have.
People like you will sell out true constitutional principles for something you want. You're just along for the ride becaue you think the Revolution will win you the ability to do drugs legally and have sex with who ever and whatever you want! Freedom to you is a convouted idea that does not include responsibility because you certainly are not responsible enough to be honest in a simple online poll. With you, the ends justifies the means. That's liberal, fascist, socialistic, and communistic thinking.
This is why we lose a lot of good people from the DP. Well, I'm not leaving. I'm just gonna call you out.
LIARS and CHEATERS!! Get right with God! Get right with Ron Paul; and get right with the principles of the Constitution!
As much as I agree with you it would seem that ...
such a tactic is not cheating if the rules were already changed.
If the Romney crowd changed the rules, then you are not cheating by now staying within the new boundries of the rules, which were not changed by us, but by the opponent.
Besides, this really does not reach the level of a sin, it is merely fun and games. No one gets hurt and everyone is having fun.
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
Someone write a macro that votes 10 times a second.
Apparently, Romney supporters just couldn't handle the truth (again).
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See now why I contend there is no nonviolent solution to this?
These people are without honor. They will tear down the country, destroy the economy, even kill many of us, just as long as they win.
I wish it were otherwise, but wishing just won't get the job done.
58-41 romney. what a crock
58-41 romney. what a crock of shit.
"You are a den of Vipers.I intend to rout you out and by the Eternal God I will rout you out."
For an informed citizenry, individuals must discard the television set in favor of the acquisition of information via either books and/or the internet. An uneducated populous will remain in ignorance and thus continue to suffer the sharp ax of tyranny.
I Can't Believe The Turn Of Events
Romney is now stompin' Ron Paul. Is this not telling us how the real world works. It may be a silly little poll.....but its some major manipulation of the tally. How will it be reported? Do we fight fire with fire? Bring Out The Torches Gang!! Did I just say that? Is this the seduction of winning inside the beltway? HMMM. It would sure be nice to win this one, though. Aren't we supposed to be the internet/tech savvy Ron Paulites?
Oh come on whiners
yes its just a stupid poll.... on the other hand, its fun. Its a game, so play it well. An online poll of this sort, which doesn't prevent you from voting more than once, is obviously designed to allow the most dedicated and creative supporters win.
Look at that! Just like a real election. Quit fussing people and have fun with it. We've come this far, so I say we just win the damn thing!
Guys, it doesn't matter if we lose some internet poll
After all it's only an internet poll... all sides cheated obviously and all these macro stuff is getting ridiculously stupid and yes I'm at fault too so now what?
Well lets just see how this plays out and hear what NPR says on the radio about our camp as well as Mitt's/Palin's/Huckabee's/Pence's/Demint's camp on monday. It will be hysterical!
So I'm going to bed and when I wake up, I'm just going to see how bad the Romney political machine skewed the votes and just laugh it off xD
Where is the love?
I just want to piss off the
I just want to piss off the little Mormon Hitlers voting for Romney.
Ventura 2012
You'll sleep well having repented.
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Seems to me
We have been infiltrated by "macro" trolls. Planted idiots who advocated the use of these diabolical things. I say we renounce the use of these things and let the cheaters have their day. Let us regain the high ground.
I cast a vote for no more macro. No more cheating. F*&^ Mitt Romney. The only way he wins anything is through diabolical and evil means. His followers are greedy money grubbing soulless agents of the devil himself. Demonized for one thing and one thing only. To buy out the opposition and to "hack" their way to the top. If this continues Mitt Domeniga's army of spammers will fix the poll and he will sit at the right hand of Satan himself in the center as number 1.
Let them have this win. The forces of darkness. The unholy of unholy. Let his scum macro to their hearts content. F*&K them.