Having a debate with a coworker.He is in favor of tax increases!

wait very long. I presume he's aware of the inflation tax? From the tone of his prose, he doesn't strike me as a person who's really all that interested in having a serious discussion.
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"An economy built on fiat money is a society on its way to ashes."

If you're talking about income tax, explain the idea of property to him. he'll agree that his body is, in fact, his own body, it belongs to him... he is the one who suffers when he is careless with his body (if he sticks his arm in some machinery its gunna hurt him, not society, they don't feel your pain, so why give them control over your body?). and he'll agree that something accomplished by his body, no matter what he wants done with it after it is produced, is originally his toil.
If he wants to donate it to the gov't to redistribute to someone else thats his right, or he could just go walk around looking for someone who looks like they need the money earned by his time and sweat (which would probably be much more satisfying and effective); heck, he can burn the product or the money he gets for it, because its HIS. no one else can have a claim on your body, or toil (this is more commonly referred to as slavery)
so... if that is true, then how can the gov't tax his income (or for that matter choose his destiny by military draft). do they have some sort of higher claim on his life and labor than he himself?... In short, they have no right (as opposed to a "wrong"). You, the individual aren't making any agreements here; by being a citizen of the united States you are free, not subject. and you alone control your body. Thats what freedom is and sovereignty is, and you have to understand what freedom is before you really have it.

also, who cares what tax bracket you fall in, everyone pays the income tax, i make min wage and never see like 10% of my check.

If he wants to help others, keep the ten % and redistribute it wisely and locally to help your society,

I love calling them Keynesians too... the confused look is great...

"Be always sure you're right, then go ahead."
-David Crockett

First, ask him what should happen to people who don't pay their taxes. I'm so very sure you'll get a response which ends with something like "... and throw away the key." Then, ask where the government gets the right to take people's private property against their will. That might stun him for a few seconds and force his brain to briefly work.

that thinks "great leader" can do no wrong. You'll have more luck debating a rock.

"It's just one big club... and WE ain't in it!"

same as wars, insurance etc etc etc.

wow- i'm pissy today!!

~peace

Thanks guys.Working with people like this can be very entertaining.I keep calling him a keynesian and he thinks its an african curse.

That's the only conclusion I come to after reading your post.

http://federalfallacy.com

be sure to inform him that none of the income taxes go to pay for bailouts. They go to pay the interest on the debt, and it is your grandchildren who will pay for the bailouts.
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if he feels so strongly about it. You don't support all the new spending. He does, so he should man-up and take your share.

...It's a difference between right vs. wrong. When Force is used to remove rightful property, it is called theft. This doesn't change because of "popular demand" or "Income Status"..it's simply theft, and therefore can not be virtous.
Because you have to accept theft by Government Guns, does not mean that a larger theft is any more morally correct. Both types of Taxation on Time or Wages is theft of life and therefore an economic form of slavery. Because the burden of others chains are heavier than yours, does not change the fact that wrong is done to both parties by the Armed Hands of Government by popular demand.

I don't think anything you say to him will sink in. It would be like debating a 2 year old. Perhaps someday, something about liberty will hit him, and then he will come back and want to start a real conversation. Until then, I'd politely let it go.

Tell him that its obvious that our measly income tax doesn't pay for most of these bailouts- and that's one of the problems. That the government spends way more than they actually have. I don't even understand what his point is.

particularly speaking, if the book's cover title and rear synopsis isn't even legible, then perhaps the words that fill the book arent even worth reading.

Seriously how can you debate anything he just said? im still still swimming through the sea of mangled grammar to find any semblance of a point being made here.

can someone try to translate this?

id really like to help argue, as i hear dumb shit coming from coworkers mouths all the time when it comes to the choice topics of politics or economics or any other word of interest that might end in 'ics'. Sadly ive also found that the debating side is so ill informed and emotionally invested that there isnt even a suitable starting point to begin debating.

What part of THEFT does he not understand?
If paying taxes is so cool try not paying them....

the funny thing is he works part time and his wife brings home the bacon.lol.so of course he expects a handout

tell him to pay yours

Choose another friend or have an intelligent discussion with him. Your choice.
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