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March Madness: Upsets Galore As Paul Ousts Romney; Jindal And Huck Lose; Round 3 Awaits
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Round 2 of my March Madness contest -- the 2012 Republican presidential nomination -- has ended, and there are some major surprises to report.

First, we'll go over the results. Analysis will follow. And don't forget to vote in Round 3.

And the headline is that both No. 1 seeds -- Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney -- were soundly defeated, and both by candidates seeded sixth. Palin, the governor of Alaska, was defeated by Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana, 58 percent to 41 percent. Total votes cast in that matchup were nearly 135,000. A bigger jolt was the loss by Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts, who got walloped by Texas congressman Ron Paul, 70-29 percent. Nearly 1.4 million votes were cast -- a disproportionate number, compared with the other contests -- and again, it's something that will be addressed later in this posting.

Two other shockers came when former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, a third seed, lost to Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina, seeded eighth, by a 61-38 percent vote. More than 110,000 votes in that one. And in a face-off between two Southern governors, Florida's Charlie Crist, a fourth seed, ousted Louisiana's Bobby Jindal, rated No. 2; nearly 50,000 votes were cast in that one.

Meanwhile, three other results had a total of between 46,000 and 48,000 votes. Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin (No. 7) beat ex-Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (No. 5) 57-42; Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty (No. 2) neutered Newt Gingrich (No. 4) 54-45; and Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman (No. 7) ousted Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas (No. 12) 55-44. Another contest that got considerably more votes was the one in which South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford (No. 3) defeated former eBay exec Meg Whitman (No. 9) by 60-39 percent. More than 77,000 votes were cast.

Those are the results, as per the votes that came in. My picks, of course, were vastly different. I had Romney beating Paul, Palin over Pence, Jindal over Crist, Huckabee over DeMint. And I'm sticking with them.

But what to make of the results? One point four million votes in Paul vs. Romney?

A lot of readers have theories. And a lot have to do with ballot-stuffing by the Ron Paul folks.

Now, in fairness, I never said "only one vote per person." So no "rules" were violated, other than fair play.

Here's a sample of e-mails from those complaining about the tactics of the Paul supporters.

A reader from Japan wrote: "Here is a link to a Ron Paul supporter Web site where they are discussing how to ruin your poll by cheating and voting multiple times." Indeed, the headline at this link at DailyPaul.com reads, "NPR Poll -- Ron Paul LOSING to Mitt Romney. You know what to do!"

A reader from Mead, Colo., wrote: "The Ron Paul crowd is using scripts to vote thousands of times in the March Madness poll. Here are the instructions they posted at ronpaulforums.com. I took a snapshot as proof."

A reader from Storrs, Conn.: "I was really excited about who was going to win your pool, but it's clear that the Ron Paul people are rigging the process. Not only are they stuffing the ballot, but they are voting to eliminate the rest of the competition: Huckabee and Palin, for example. Your poll is now worthless."

And another reader from Texas adds, "It's pretty obvious at this point that Ron Paul will win the entire bracket you've set up for the 2012 Republican race. This poll has clearly been overrun by Ron Paulians. They excel at this sort of thing. Unfortunately for Paul they don't do much more than online stuff and that's why he was never any threat in any of the primaries last year."

I'm of two minds when it comes to this. Let's face it, a "March Madness" pool in March of 2009 about the 2012 GOP presidential nomination is either silly or, as I like to put it, fun. If the Ron Paul people are excited enough to delete computer cookies so they can vote multiple times, well, so what. Can a tainted process make a meaningless poll even more meaningless?

(UPDATE: As you can tell from the comments attached below, accusations of cheating and "fixing" the results are directed at more than one candidate. While my e-mails were indeed all aimed at Paul supporters -- I printed them not out of personal "bias" but because that's what I was hearing -- it seems clear that no one candidate is solely responsible for ballot stuffing. It apparently was going on by supporters of several candidates -- or at least more than one. Also, in answer to several e-mail questions, the "Ken Rudin Picks" page displays bracket results as I think they would be in the 2012 primaries -- or at least as I see it in March of 2009. Boy, whoever called it "Madness" was certainly on the mark!)

In any event, it's time to vote in Round 3. And let me hear from you about what you think of the process so far.




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I could only vote once.....

i only voted once and when I went back to the page to check the results, it said i couldn't vote again and it saved my IP address.

So now we are a bunch of hackers too.....

Hey, once accused, ALWAYS accused!

What are you fightin' for?
Love me, I'm a liberal!

Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

I only voted once

I don't know about other people's experiences with this poll but I only voted once myself. I hope others here are doing the same.

Register as Republican and Vote for Ron Paul

Boo Hoo

"Now, in fairness, I never said "only one vote per person." So no "rules" were violated, other than fair play."

The poll is just for fun and completely pointless. Kind of like the "news" one can expect from the National Public Radio program. There are no rules that state the information you listen to is honest or accurate. Just a whole lot of bias and bent for pure entertainment. Oh, yes I am amused... very amused.

Spam-Haters, or Sore Losers?

Yeah, I'm sure if the results were the other way around with a 71%-29% win in favor of Mitt Romney, it seems unlikely that anyone would have assumed the supporters of Romney were stuffing the polls. After all, he was a No. 1 Seed, right? There's no way he can lose, being one of the most conservative members in politics today. I'm just being sarcastic, of course.

Every time Congressman Paul wins in an online poll, it must be because his supporters cheated. After all, according to some media outlets, we're nothing but a bunch of adolescent kids in our parents' basement who spend our days spamming polls online (even though we were able to raise close to $20M for Rep. Paul online in one quarter during the Primaries).

I guess people can't accept that we are just excited and dedicated in our support of the most conservative guy in the Republican Party today. He puts the other candidates to shame, so, therefore, others must try to shame his supporters. Not that that's ever going to stop our tenacity...

Well, which are we?

They need to make up their minds.

Either we're stay-at-home computer nerd hacker/spammers or we're dangerous domestic terrorists!

Which is it, they can't have it both ways!

I love how these people flip

I love how these people flip out over an internet poll.

Are you referring to the Ron Paul supporters or the

other people?

CHA-CHING!

Hey haven't seen you in a while

I see you're trolling as usual.

No Ron Paul supporters didn't flipout.. most of us laughed.

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Oruval, is everyone a troll?

It seems like you're either calling people shills or trolls. Out of curiosity, if someone has a different opinion from you, is that okay or are they suddenly the devil on earth?

Register as Republican and Vote for Ron Paul

Actually

you forge, freejesseventura, rhino are the ones I have noticed. It's not a differing opinion.. it's a blatant ignorant outlook over time when given numerous facts to support the truth of a matter.. then you all continue to try and hide and confuse that leads me to a position that tells me you all have a agenda to obfuscate the facts.

I'm not the only one who notices this.. I'm just captain obvious that points it out.

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He does make one point

"Unfortunately for Paul they don't do much more than online stuff and that's why he was never any threat in any of the primaries last year"

I think we do have a tendancy to talk among ourselves instead of other people. I met a friend yesterday whom, by all rights, should have been on board from the start but, had never heard of Dr. Paul. I have no one to blame but myself for this as I should have chased him down long ago. I need to spend less time enjoying all of the comradery here and more time away from my computer talking to people that have not yet gotten the message. Am I the only one?

The Plumber

The Plumber

That 'point' is just not

That 'point' is just not true.

RPaul did much more. You obviously didn't see the shunning by interviewer after interviewer on TV shows, Debates, etc.

The TV has a huge say in the way asleep people think...

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- Calvin Coolidge

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Feedback goes both ways

They have "poor feedback" for us? How about our poor feedback for the way they treated Ron Paul all through the campaign?

'Always be yourself. Everyone else is taken.' - Oscar Wilde

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I am shocked! Shocked! To

I am shocked! Shocked! To hear these accusations of voter fraud!

'Always be yourself. Everyone else is taken.' - Oscar Wilde

Who? US??

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Love me, I'm a liberal!

Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

WOW

I think Mike is getting it.. I'm impressed!.. You've been having some awesome sarcasm as of late.

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LOL

You should fax a letter to your congress man/woman then. Maybe they can have a committee investigate it :-)

Nah...they're the LAST ones to care! lol

What are you fightin' for?
Love me, I'm a liberal!

Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

What? Vote fraud?

Oh, come now! You accuse US of vote fraud?! That's absurd!

(How's it feel to lose, suckers!)

I'm sure there were

plenty of "pile-on" votes for other candidates as well.

Every candidate has their support groups that rally to the polling.

We didn't do anything different than what occured with the other candidates. We just have more exuberant supporters.

They are ticked that we're more responsive to the call than supporters of the other candidates.

The r3volution rocks the vote!

The establishment cheats us at every turn and they still complain that we kick their ass.

Ron Paul 2012!

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“Liberty without learning is always in peril... and learning without liberty is always in vain”

- John Fitzgerald Kennedy

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"The greatest mystery of all is truth." - Me, 2009

And RP supporters are still ticked

at the way Dr. Paul was shafted by the GOP and the media (if not by Deibold as well) in last year's primaries.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

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So What?

Some people take this stuff way too seriously...

NPR is not exactly my first choice for news anyway.

Actually, if you think about it.....All the comments are with merit. But what does it really matter? It really didn't matter when RP won all the text polls did it? Obama still got elected and further more we were beat by McCain who 6 months prior to his nomination his campaign was flat broke.

I say run the script, run the macros, win the polls if that's how to bring attention to Ron Paul.

Internet polls....please.....

For Freedom!

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Hmm, this country would be

Hmm, this country would be better off if most of these Romneybots had never existed. Why should I care what they think again?

Ventura 2012

The fact that NPR linked back to here ...

is a success.

If he tracked the poll in real time he would know exactly what happened.

There is going to be an attempted dog pile ...

Be prepared. It will come much quicker next time and much closer to when the poll is closed.

This is actually quite fun to watch.

WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994

boo hoo

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