Earmark response....wow!
Submitted by Goldspan on Tue, 04/07/2009 - 12:21
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In reading Ron Paul's response regarding earmarks I have to say that I am more then disappointed. Mr. Paul THIS is precisely THE point in time when a man’s PRINCIPLES are tested. Your excuse for requesting the earmarks is no different then if an armored car was driving down the road with the back door open and money flying out. If I didn’t pick it up and put it in my friend’s pocket or mine then it was just going to blow down the road, and besides it was just a little and if I didn’t get it someone else would. WOW…I can’t believe I have to say this…IT’S NOT YOUR MONEY MR PAUL, it doesn’t belong to you…. it belongs to the people, IT DOESN’T MATTER HOW MUCH IT IS!
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I think
earmarks are only done after the money has already been "spent" The budget sends money to committees and then the committees break up the money by using earmarks. Earmarks actually bring accountability to the spending by forcing congressman to sign their names beside the money that is being spent. Earmarks are only an accounting ledger on money that has already been allocated. Not using earmarks has no effect on money being spent or on the budget in any way.
I wish we had more earmarks... then we would see where all the money goes.
Y’all have been going at
Y’all have been going at this for 3 hours and not one of you have addressed the principle.
The PRINCIPLE that it’s tough to do the right thing when it matters most.
I have been on this movement long before it was COOL and my conscience is clear…I don’t have to justify my actions, but based upon the reaction this has created apparently Ron Paul does.
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The principle
The principle is that it's the people's money and an honest politician will always try to return the people's money to THE PEOPLE. So the principle is honoring private property (people's money) and the admittedly imperfect but opportune remittance of such (earmarks).
You've been lazy lobbing flame bait for 3 hours and what have you addressed? Nothing. You don't even appear to have comprehended the many posts which debunk your misguided naivete. Grow up and admit when you've been mislead.
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Have you researched which
Have you researched which branch of government has the Constitutional authority for deciding how money is spent?
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Found this, might help:
Posted by Lew Rockwell at March 11, 2009 11:43 AM
Obama denounces earmarks. He wants all spending decisions made by himself and not, as constitutionally required and practiced in the early republic, by congress. Is the 99% of spending that is decided by the president to be subjected to the same restrictions? Of course not.
Remember, earmarks do not constitute new spending, but rather allocation of present spending. Attacking them is a trick by neocons and other advocates of dictatorship to seem anti-spending, when they only want all decisions made by the president. This is an attempt to further weaken congress, constitutionally the senior branch of government, which already has about as much power as the Roman senate in the days of Caligula.
Ron Paul is right: the entire federal budget should be earmarked, with no spending decisions made by the dictator, who should be reduced to a minor magistrate.
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If Dr. Paul were my representative, and didn't fight to get my..
extorted money back from the crooks, I wouldn't vote for him. At least he is fighting to get back the money taken from them. Without earmarks, the Gov't can choose to spend it on whatever program they see fit. With earmarks, the money is accounted for and appropriated. All Gov't spending should be earmarked so that it can be accounted for.
Yes, it is the peoples money. That is why when Dr. Paul....
....is requested by his constituents to ask for the money, he has to do it. That IS his job. But, then, he follows his principles and votes against the entire bill, because he does not believe in deficit spending. The reason he thinks earmarks are better than having the President spend tax money, is because earmarks are requested by the citizens, who presumably know better than the Federal government where money should be spent. If they don't do earmarks, then the President and Congress decide where money is spent. Usually that means the money will go overseas and to the military. Yes, it is difficult to understand Dr. Paul's positions sometimes. That is because he puts a great deal of thought into his personal philosophy, and does not just think what he is told to think. We too, must think for ourselves.
Ummmm...8 weeks and you still don't get it?
Why do you think the executive branch should decide on where your money is spent? All money appropriated should be earmarked...ALL OF IT! It places accountability where it belongs, in the public eye. There should be no discretion that wasn't placed in front of appropriations process and behind the scenes power broking with public funds should be curtailed completely.
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8 weeks eh? It shows. Your
8 weeks eh? It shows. Your example makes no sense. It would make more sense if you said that an armored car full of YOUR MONEY was driving down the road.
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Most of what I have read below is the same tired excuses
to enslave ourselves. This is the very tool which has been used to do it and there isn't one courageous individual in DC willing to begin breaking the cycle. So, we send $ to DC, they send it back with power to control us unconstitutionally, and every one says "we have to get our share or someone else will!" There will be NO revolution until this vicious cycle is busted; none. The same goes with all the "soveriegnity resolutions". They are nothing but hot air until that nasty, corrupted money from DC is refused.
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In other words, nothing will
In other words, nothing will change until those evil people on social security, which they paid into their entire lives and would starve to death without, refuse to take their check even though they vote and campaign tirelessly against it.
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Nice try,
but SS has nothing to do with the billions 535 people divy up and decide what road is paved or what bridge is built or how many roadblocks there will be or what public private partnership will be invented fand on and on, all used to enslave us.
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Oh yes it does. Where do you think the government is ......
........getting all this money? Much of it is the SS we send in every month. Congress then appropriates the money and writes an IOU to the SS administration. There are no funds left in SS. It has been lent out. What happens is we have money forcefully taken from us, and the government then gives the people back about 10 cents on the dollar, and tells us to be grateful.
Of course SS is equally a corrupted system,
but it begs the question at hand. It is a seperate issue and a seperate "system". The one addressed here involves a multi billion dollar "consultant" industry of every government entity in America fighting to get their share of the pie, politicons ensuring power for themselves, and us being enslaved by Federal intrusion. We are paying big bucks for consultants to retrieve our money which is used to enslave us. Earmarks will not fix that.
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Oh noes!
God forbid someone that represents the people gets to spend their money, rather than it going into the black hole of executive branch projects, with no single person held accountable for the waste. Money from earmarks would be lining the pockets of private contractors if state representatives didn't jump on them.
The alternative to Dr. Paul's method is insanity.
Your analogy is not complete.
The crucial point Dr. Paul makes is where the money goes if you don't take it. It goes to one man, the President, to decide autonomously where it goes. From what I understand, the money is already allocated to be spent. So because it's not the government's money, Dr. Paul is trying to get that money back to the people making sure that a portion of it goes to his constitutents. His constituents may not get their money back if the President decides where the money goes.
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No troll
Goldspan is not a troll. He's an anti-federalist and Austrian in the strictest form of the word. We happen to disagree on the earmark question.
If I had to bet, I'd say it saddens Dr. Paul that he has to earmark money back to his district, money that shouldn't even travel through DC in the first place.
But, it is what it is. I've agreed with the Dr. Paul's stance on this issue after first hearing his explanation to Russert. Makes sense to me.
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Wow!
What I don’t get is the lack of principles with you people. This is sad. As far as the money going back to his district…was is proportionally divided amongst the tax paying people in his district? I think not. It’s really sad that you think your Austrians Libertarians. I can’t even think is this convoluted manner…. you people are sheep.
Wow…don’t criticize the King!!!!!!!!!
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Please take care of your own principles. I will keep mine.
I have a friend, a minister here in Tucson who gives water to illegal aliens and his message is simple. Stop them from coming and I will stop giving them water.
Dr. Paul says stop allowing earmarks and I will stop using them.
Naton
No King
This is not a matter of criticizing the King. It's a matter of perception.
Some people work to change the system from within the system and some seek absolute perfection.
If Dr. Paul hadn't earmarked money back to his district....do you think he would have "any electability Sir". This complete discussion wouldn't be taking place and the thousands upon thousands of people opening up to the liberty message would still be asleep.
Nobody's perfect, but we do the best we can.
Miamisburg, Montgomery County, Ohio
"You people" LOL. Generalize much?
If you criticize, that's one thing.
If you do it without comprehension, or facts.
That's a whole 'nuther thing.
Good luck with Romney, he has nice hair.
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Or Obama...
since he is totally against earmarks.
The reason behind that is explained in exhaustive detail in the responses on this thread... if the OP would read them.
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Obama Against earmarks
And breath mints.
According to a campaign worker, who was trying to explain to me, why Carla Bruni would not kiss him during a meet and greet. Remember that from last week? Apparently It's Barack Halitosis Obama.
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Um..
eww?
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Yeah, My apologies
It's an evil wind
"I don't endorse anything they say"
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LOL
"Thou protest too much!"
P.S. Goldspan I am not a Libertarian. I am a registered Republican just like Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX)
ooops
I think you made a boo boo.
Read his response again. Or read more of the responses you're bound to get here. Reading, and comprehending are two different things.
Trust me, it took me a while to "get it" as well. And had it been just a few months ago, I might have even agreed with you.
But it makes sense.
Earmarks equal accountability.
The ACT of Earmarking, then voting no, is a way to get your constituent's money back to them, and maintain principles at the same time. It's a bit of a game that he HAS to play. Otherwise Paul's constituents end up sending their money out of town.
You're forgiven..Unless you did this on purpose, and are just playing.
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It was no excuse, you screwball. It was common sense…
The government has brainwashed the public for generations (“earmarking means wasting”). Paul said that Congress needs to quit being lazy and useless by letting tax money by unnoticed. Either you understand that by now or you never will. …Or perhaps you are merely posting this to try to confuse people.
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Wow. I was going to comment...
...but you all hit this nail on the head. The poster has a skewed view of the earmark process.
You don't get it. Ron Paul
You don't get it.
Ron Paul always votes against the appropriations. However, once congress appropriates the billions of dollars to spend, if congress doesn't earmark it, that money goes to the executive and is spent in secret. It probably goes overseas to some other country...
One way or the other, the money that gets appropriated gets spent back at home only if congress earmarks it, so we might as well have congress earmark it and return the money to the American taxpayers.
However, the bigger issue are the appropriations... Which Dr. Paul ALWAYS votes against. There's way too much money being spent by both our congress and executive and Ron Paul knows this.
You have to understand how our government spends money and then you'll see the bigger picture.