Did any of you know that flight 93 on 911 was reported as crashed at camp david?

But folks, let's just put Eric Hoffer on ignore. They guy is so obviously a troll.

Peeps,we must realize that there are certain truths that must be squashed at all costs, and the internet trolls cannot be too happy right now as they are forced to work overtime to squash this type of info. If the majority of the population were to ever become aware of certain truths, the whole NWO would come crashing down like a house of cards.

For instance,

a) 9/11 was an inside job
b) Freemasonry and the network of related ubiquitous secret societies is the smoke screen through which the NWO implements their agenda globally and locally.
c) Most modern Joo$ are in no way related to the ancient Israelites.
d) The Federal Reserve is a private banking cartel that prints up money with no backing and charges interest on it.

Well at least the last one is starting to spread. It's easy for people to grasp.

I'm sure you can think of a few more. These truths MUST be squashed at all costs. History MUST be re-writtten to cover these truths up.

Someone else said it here that our greatest weapon is the truth and that is so spot on.

And yet, you've managed to completely ignore my entire post, meanwhile attacking a straw man you've set up. Cute, yet ineffectual to logical people.

Allow me to address your arguments DIRECTLY. I'll even use Italics.

Yeah it's all and accident and random incompetents... just like the New World Order which was written about way back in HG Wells time.

This I can't say, "it's all accidents and random incompetents." I would have say more of an unfortunate ideology that believes that government can solve problems of a "bring happiness and delicious food to all" sort of matter. Heck, those morons even believe a global government would stop wars. The CFR would be an example of a highly influential globalist group, with people who make lots of money funding ideas which they believe will give them more power. This may be due to political pull, bribery, favors, or direct military might. An example that is obvious garbage is "The Illuminati" or any other sort of conspiracy that involves a bunch of Satanists or Molochists or anything of the sort. Did a bunch of Bohemian Grove goers dance around an owl or something? Sure, maybe, whatever, but hippies get together every year and light a big man on fire, and no one calls this worship or idolatry, as it has symbolic meaning.

In terms of a NWO, I don't really see a self ascribed group of secret meetings and gods and devils and all this garbage. If there were to be groups of this sort, most likely they would be corporations going after control of some area or another. For instance, natural resources, information, electronics, gas pipelines, etc. Do I think these people are trying to "take over the world?" No, I think they're trying to get as rich as possible and keep themselves entertained, while enjoying the competition, which may occasionally get nasty.

The bankers and Bush just accidentally destroying the economy and handed all control over for the NWO.

Obama was just accidentally [s]elected as well, right?

I'd say the downhill trend wasn't really started with Bush. It began with Clinton and took a while to take effect. Bush and CONGRESS definitely continued the trend by giving the military so much money and by allowing so many dollars to be printed. The problems really got started with the equalization of opportunity bill where congress pushed bankers to make absurd loans so that people could buy houses they couldn't afford. The same situation which happened in Florida in '21 in terms of real estate speculation began, and suddenly people began to realize that houses backed by empty promises aren't worth anything.

Obama was a damned good speaker. He was also black. Yes, I know he's not African American and he's actually Muslim or Zen Buddhist and wasn't born in Hawaii or blah blah blah, but he's recognized as "black" and he used it to his advantage but good. He knew the lingo and he had adversity to work against him. His only challenger was Hillary, and that's because she was a woman. People were ready to fight on pure emotion this election, and they did. Whoever had the vaguest message won. We complained since the get-go that there wasn't a human or sign language speaking chimpanzee on the planet that could detail Obama's economic plan, yet everyone thought his was the best. This is because humans have the unfortunate habit of filling in the blanks with what they want to hear. Obama had the emptiest speeches, and he subsequently wiped the floor. He also had 8 years of Bush 6 (I think) years of republican leadership to blame for this economic crisis.

He had it in the bag. I called it before I even heard of Ron Paul. So no, I wouldn't call it an accident. I'd call it a well run campaign with a slick ass speaker at the head. This is why I love Ron Paul, because he's a crappy public speaker, he's soft spoken, and he has the MOST consistent and logically justified politician (or maybe even person) I've ever seen, read, or had the pleasure of meeting.

Ron Paul supporters were just conicendtally cited as domestic terrorists in the MIAC report -- which by the way was a story broken by Alex Jones aka the 'CONSPIRACY THEORIST'.

Oh but a broken clock can be right twice a day?

Actually, it was all third party supporters as well as supporters of the constitution. And damned right, they should be prepared to understand that we have legal weapons of self defense, and we know our rights, so they shouldn't try any funny business. Alex Jones is a man who lives by conspiracy. He believes in all sorts of crap that is absolutely unbelievable. However, the fact that he stands up for liberty is a great thing. He draws attention to major issues, and he has Ron Paul on his show, something I'm exceedingly thankful for. However, just because he believes the same way as I do on one issue, or he stands up for an issue I applaud, does not make him accurate on other issues. Just because he says 1 + 1 = 2, does not make him infallible in other areas. He makes his living off people suspecting their government of evil, and the moment we get a benign government who respects the constitution, he's out of a job.

Give me a break -- I can debate myself better than you can.

Having incoherent or structurally unsound arguments allows for this, so you're ok. :)

The reality is the world is run by the people who control all the money and resources -- does it take more than two braincells to figure that out?

Apparently it doesn't take more than 2 to come to that conclusion, that's for sure.

Ron Paul said in interviews repatedly that not only does he question 9/11 now, but also things like the Kennedy Assassination, FDR's plans/he purposely got us into WW2/depression, Lincoln and the Civil War, etc, etc.

I almost let this one go. ALMOST let it go, but not quite.

Ron Paul believes the Arabs took over the planes, ran them into the buildings, and that the planes and subsequent fires are what took the buildings down. What you are doing is trying to imply that Ron Paul believes it was an inside job. You MAY be able to stretch the truth that much by saying Paul maybe believes that the administration LET it happen. Ok, fine, that is a possibility that i WILL agree with. However, controlled demolition not so much. Ron Paul has stated continually that he believes that 911 should be reinvestigated as an argument for the dismantling of government. He has stated that he believes government bureaucracy got in the way of our effectively defending ourselves. This I agree with him on as well. We have took much government to be useful, we need smaller, more efficient government if we're ever going to defend ourselves.

As for Lincoln, sure, he believes the Civil War wasn't necessary, but i wasn't around then and I haven't read enough of Lincoln's history yet for me to come to any conclusion about that. But do me a favor and "but also things like the Kennedy Assassination, FDR's plans/he purposely got us into WW2/depression," find evidence of that for me. I haven't ever seen it, maybe I just haven't watched enough Youtube or read enough of his work. Maybe you've seen something I haven't.

IE, when he says something like, "Remember people with box cutters is our greatest security threat" it's a chess move like "If in your world A + B = C then C = A + B."

As a rated tournament chess player, I declare this a crappy chess move, and declare that if Ron Paul spends his entire life standing up to the political machine, that this question seems a strange place to begin instead playing chess.

Let me give you another example. RP questioned Petraeus about whether or not he would go to war with Iran without congressional approval.

Why?

He wanted to get his response on record because he is a 'conspiracy theorist'.

AKA, he believes that Petraeus would/could be working to or willing to undermine the Constitution and expand the war. He's also stated this many times on record that he is worried about Iran being attacked or us going into Pakistan or Georgia or pretty much anywhere.

False on the "conspiracy theorist" bit. True on the "he believes Petraeus would be willing to undermine the Constitution and expand the war" bit. Paul IS worried that the government will expand to Iran. Once empires begin expanding like this, it's a natural habit to go after anyone looking at you funny. It's how empires get destroyed. They expand too much and the money collapses trying to fund it. When he states on record that he's worried about it, that IS a chess move, as it gives people a chance to speak out against it and warns other politicians that it's an unpopular move to support such ideas.

That's also why Ron Paul has said that the time for us to band together and stop the government is during a draft.

Why?

Because he has been theorizing in his head that if there are more wars there will need to be a draft.

It's because times of political turmoil are when movements are most effective. Drafts are HUGELY unpopular, and standing strong then gives you huge political pull. If there are more wars, there very well may be a draft. Look at Obama's "forced civil service" gig everyone is talking about. That's a draft right there, and it'd be a great time to fight back.

Same thing with HR 1207...

Ron Paul doesn't want to introduce HR 1207 because he thinks Obama will approve it. He's doing it as a chess move (aka a 'conspiracy theory' he has that links the Gov to defending the corrupt FED).

This Bill is a record that people wanted to audit (and thus expose) the FED, but it was stopped by X, Y, and Z.

Of course Obama won't approve it, but every bill he introduces (of which he has hundreds) are to prove points and to allow people to rally behind them. They get attention, politicians have to read them, respond to emails on them, etc. Sooner or later one will gain enough steam and the country will be in such a goat rodeo that the mainstream will actually stand up and pay attention. Plus he's gotta know by now that every time he introduces something, we'll blow up every congressman's office with phone calls and faxes and emails and letters bothering them to vote for it. He probably cracks up laughing every time another politician comes up to him and asks him to call off the dogs.

I could go on and on, but I still don't think you'd get it.

Depends what the meaning of "it" is, to misquote an old democrat.

These aren't "conspiracy theories" that you're quoting, they're people pushing ideas. You cannot take something that is obviously a hunk of garbage, call it a conspiracy theory, find a diamond of truth, then call THAT a conspiracy theory, and then say because both are conspiracy theories, the junk has the same value as the diamond.

I'd try and explain logical expressions to you more, and I actually can give more examples if you'd like them, but I don't think you'll get them.

Eric Hoffer

I will shortly, but I'll again phrase my question:

What about the reporter who reported the planes hitting a different building, was he given false papers by the "writers" or did he just make a mistake?

Off to free dinner!

Eric Hoffer