Response from an Obama Supporter

the following passage:

yeah people are sick of bush's america, but the people with nothing productive to offer need to get out of the way for those that do, for those of us that are willing to sacrifice a little for the good of everyone.

I would happily get out of the way for those who wish to 'sacrifice a little for the good of everyone,' in fact I do so all the time, but that's not what he wants. He wants me to shut up, and do what I'm told. That is something I will not do. I will not 'get out of the way for' an individual like him. I will not roll over and let someone, who spells ideology as "idealogy," lacks the ability to distinguish between "3or 4 votes" and 41,905 votes, and could not punctuate a sentence to save his life define the 'good of everyone' and force me to 'sacrifice' for it.

nothing could be easier than to insult this retard and point out his shortcomings by publicly humiliating him. I am being successful at it quite often :)

it's as if I've been thrown back in time to 2005 after W. got elected. The blatant hypocrisy and ignorance is blinding in this person's response.

and we all need to understand it a bit more. Just to quote a little something about it: http://nord.twu.net/acl/dialectic.html

"The ultimate Third Way agenda is world government. Once we get what's really going on, we can cut the strings and move our lives in original directions outside the confines of the dialectical madness. Focusing on Hegel's and Engel's ultimate agenda, and avoiding getting caught up in their impenetrable theories of social evolution, gives us the opportunity to think and act our way toward freedom, justice, and genuine liberty for all.

Today the dialectic is active in every political issue that encourages taking sides. We can see it in environmentalists instigating conflicts against private property owners, in democrats against republicans, in greens against libertarians, in communists against socialists, in neo-cons against traditional conservatives, in community activists against individuals, in pro-choice versus pro-life, in Christians against Muslims, in isolationists versus interventionists, in peace activists against war hawks.

No matter what the issue, the invisible dialectic aims to control both the conflict and the resolution of differences, and leads everyone involved into a new cycle of conflicts. We're definitely not in Kansas anymore."

Well, I'm listening, still waiting for a few facts. You didn't give me one fact about anything. Also, about that "productive" remark. Laborers, carpenters, plumbers, masons, merchants, farmers, ranchers, etc. produce. Obama and his followers simply take from someone who produced to give to someone who doesn't. I'd just like to know what "ya'll have sacrificed lately for the good of Ron Paul supporters, other than our liberty, of course. Ron Paul has alot of good productive ideas to offer, but they would require "ya'll to maybe take some responsibility for yourselves instead of waiting for the gubament to save ya'll.

"somebody even compared barack obama's and george bush's policies as if from the same idealogy or something. Like i say, sure, ron paul is all too willing to cry foul, but our new leaders are trying."

LOL

well don't worry, over time, you'll get better.

and by far, the most effective way to challenge someone's beliefs is face to face.

the comments are pretty stupid. face to face, a person doesn't get to utter 20 or 30 lines of unbroken nonsense, without me interrupting and asking for a clarification.

the more they stick to logic and facts, the less I'll interrupt them. Even if their facts are skewed or wrong, I'll still let them talk.

those comments aren't worthy of the trash....and face to face, they're not going to get past sentence number 2, with that garbage.

I won't even bother listening to it, they can talk to themselves for all I care.

I have a hundred other people, be they liberal, independant, or conservative who will engage in an intellectually stimulating conversation.

your friend is an idiot.

You can't reach idiots like that because they can't even think for themselves. I have luck just by explaining our money system. Most people don't realize that our money is counterfeited into existence by a select group of people that charge interest for doing NOTHING. I ask them damn wouldn't You like that GIG and most people would agree... Now when they realize the real reason prices keep going up is because of the bankers expanding the money supply above GDP growth then it gets the ball rolling. Most people have heard the saying from their grandmother about a coke being a nickel and then You let them know why ..... Now when they realize this then You let them know how the media lies and blames inflation on the oil companies and crap .... The rabbit hole is truelly deep but if You give them the carrot they will follow if they are smart.

Quick, DO something!

Try the accellerator!

is that they expect the government to come up with solutions. The answer to "What SHOULD the government do?" Can't be "Nothing" or "As little as possible" for them. They believe, in fact have been conditioned, that the government must provide solutions. I believe the only way this is going to change is over the long term. We need to get our message into the school system and to the younger people, teenagers and those just entering college.

Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both

I can't offer anything better. The only observation I make is when a person just hurls accusations but is not open to positive dialog and debate, then they are not worth spending time on. No matter what you say, they have their mind made up. They are right and you are wrong. Some people just have to be right.

Only this is planting seeds and that means that down the road there may be a wonderful tree of liberty where once there was weeds. Right now they are a weed, but when the s..t hits the fan, they may be a tree because of your fertilizer.

Healthnut4freedom

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

This person has been watching too much TV. He thinks the government is his daddy. He doesn't realize that he is a virtual slave to his government. He has no idea what freedom really means. It would be a serious waste of time to try and educate him right now.

Maybe someday, something will hit him, and he will then realize how mistaken he was. He will be embarrassed of course for his part in the dumbing down of America. But like I am today, he will be thankful and proud that he was able to finally recognize what freedom stands for.

"So long as any large group of persons, anywhere on this earth, believe the ancient superstition that some Authority is responsible for their welfare, they will set up some image of that Authority and try to obey it. And the result will be poverty and warfare."
Rose Wilder Lane, "The Discovery Of Freedom"

"Y'all need to shut up for a minute and just listen to a few facts because I saw alot of misrepresented facts in the ron paul blog"
SUCH AS? -- I can almost guarantee they will not be able to give examples, at least not with support. So ask them for resources to back up their opinoion. (I doubt they will respond at all because they would have to think)

"somebody even compared barack obama's and george bush's policies as if from the same idealogy or something"
EXACTLY! Make sure they know that it is not just "somebody", it is everyone involved in the Freedom Movement that thinks that. Challenge them to show a significant difference in policy - even in philosophy. Again, they won't be able to find any. Let them know that Dr. Paul's book is very clear about that and maybe even copy a few pages for them to read.

And finally: "maybe y'all should hail rush limbaugh as the new head of complaint department for the independent party. just as much an extremist."

"Truth is treason in the empire of lies" And with a little "Thank you for being a Nazi brownshirt and associating me with a propaganda agent" thrown in.

www.libertyrestorationproject.org
"We are the inheritors of the American Enlightenment, which tells us that Individual Liberty always trumps collectivism in all forms."

Plus, he obviously is incapable of giving a detailed response as to what is wrong with RP policy directives such as HR 1207 and defaults to ad hominem attack mode instead of offering constructive criticism.

He's already lost the argument, he just doesn't realize it. There's no way you can debate with someone on that level.

I would limit my conversations with this person to topics like cartoons, sports, movies, candy, bmx bicycles, video games...you know, things that would appeal to a teenager's mentality.

He says

"yeah people are sick of bush's america, but the people with nothing productive to offer need to get out of the way for those that do, for those of us that are willing to sacrifice a little for the good of everyone."

Those people with nothing productive to offer you talk about, are the very ones who voted for your candidate. And the ones whom LOVE the welfare state...and the continuance of our minority caste system. Just so they can stay in the warm and ever giving bosom of Leviathan.