Need help...please! Baby on the way...need advice.
My wife and I are expecting a baby this June....is there anything I need to know legally beforehand? What I mean is...I have heard about birth certificates basically being a contract with the state, or government. I am also not sure about the shots they give a baby. This will be our first child, so I really would appreciate any feedback any of you fellow patriots may have for us. I want our baby to be as free as possible. I am sure there are things I am not even aware of that I need to be aware of..that is why I am asking you all.
So, constitutionally speaking....what do you know that we can do to protect our baby....or should we just go with the flow (I do not want to conform...if you know what I mean).
God bless you all, and thank you very much!
*Thank you all so very much! I now have several days, if not weeks worth of research to do. I honestly cannot thank you all enough. It means so much to me and my wife to know that there are folks like you who care about other people whom you do not even know. Originally I was going to reply to each post, but this thing took off, and I got LOTS of great posts from all of you, so I probably can't thank each of you personally....but it does mean very much to my wife and I!!!
I also want to thank you all for the congratulations! It too means a LOT to us! Anyway, my modem went down for a while, and I just got it back up...So I have to check out the resources you have given to me, as I have not been able to.
So thanks again, and God bless you all!!!
Wow, this was like attending a 'virtual' baby shower!
I love this site! Its soooo human and normal!
A deep THANK YOU! to every one of you!
Thank you all so very much! I now have several days, if not weeks worth of research to do. I honestly cannot thank you all enough. It means so much to me and my wife to know that there are folks like you who care about other people whom you do not even know. Originally I was going to reply to each post, but this thing took off, and I got LOTS of great posts from all of you, so I probably can't thank each of you personally....but it does mean very much to my wife and I!!!
I also want to thank you all for the congratulations! It too means a LOT to us! Anyway, my modem went down for a while, and I just got it back up...So I have to check out the resources you have given to me, as I have not been able to.
So thanks again, and God bless you all!!!
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"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" (Romans 1:22)
You aren't going to vaccinate, are you?
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Please tell us you aren't.
Right?
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www.vaclib.org
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Vaccinations: A Thoughtful Parent's Guide
By Aviva Romm. This is indispensable.
A CNM (Certified Nurse Midwife)
ALWAYS has a doctor who works with them and if there are any complications or if it is a high risk pregnancy, a CRN will turn it over to the MD or DO.
Same during labor and delivery.
So, for the rare case where there was an issue - sorry to hear that.
HOWEVER, don't instill fear in those who want to do what is best for their child.
The decision must be based on sound medical advice - and a Certified Nurse Midwife has the medical credentials. Many times the nurses know more than the docs!
I assume you were responding to me ....
There could have been a team of the best doctors in the world around and it would not have mattered. They needed equipment within arms reach and only seconds to spare.
Normal pregnancy and normal labor, just a wierd complication. Evidently the veins in the lateral ligaments that support the uterus tend to get rather large during pregnancy and during a contraction, one ruptured. Ten minutes from the time the vitals started to collapse the doctor had initiated the C-section and 70% of my wifes blood supply ended up on the floor. She literally died in my arms for a few seconds. Our son had aspirated so much blood that he was on a resperator for a week and was touch and go for 4 days.
Like I said, it was rare and unusual. Just remember to factor in all the possible consequences of your decision before making it. Mortality rates during child birth prior to organized medicine was extremely high for a reason.
For the record ...
Non-smoker, normal weight, very healthy, age 36, two very normal vaginal births prior to this one. No signs of high risk pregnancy. Just a freak accident.
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Actually...
Do some research into WHY c-sections are so common these days. The doctors put the woman in a bad position for delivery, get impatient when the baby doesn't come, induce labor, which causes several things to happen in the body, a lot of times forcing the need for a c-section when one was not normally required if everything had been done naturally.
There was a wonderful documentary that went through all of the details of the hospital/doctor induced escalations made necessary by each previous action. I wish I could remember the name, but it was very main stream, very credible...
And sorry to hear you went through that, and I am not suggesting that things would have turned out better with midwife... Just to do some research...
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No offense taken.
But your comment does not speak to this particular situation. We had natural births for our two oldest, and our OBGYN is very pro - natural birth and encourages La Leche literature. He delivered all three of our children. He is quite impressive.
It was a rare situation, as I have stated here, but it can happen. Our two oldest weened themselves at about 2 years of age and our youngter still breast feeds.
I was just pointing out the risks involved in home birth, and make no mistake, they are real.
WAHOR!!
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There are pluses and minuses to home birth.
My wife and youngest child would not be alive if they were not in the hospital during labor.
My wife's Obgyn is a good friend of ours and his oldest daughter wants to do the whole home birth thing and our case gives him sleepless nights thinking and praying that things are routine.
Remember there are consequences to every action.
It is a decision that you and your wife must make together.
As I see it, it is really the only way to ensure that things are done the way that you want it done, but the risk of mortality from complications drastically increases.
WAHOR!!
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WAHOR!!
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Congratulations :)
But..
Do not vaccinate!
Read "The Hundred-Year Lie: How Food and Medicine Are Destroying Your Health":
http://www.amazon.com/Hundred-Year-Lie-Medicine-Destroying-H...
Good luck ;)
Health Insurance
I wonder if or how this will affect your child when you try to put him/her on your health insurance plan?? (with no birth cert or SS#) Anyone?
i vote a trust fund
if the baby is breastfed and not given any vaccinations then they will be healthy enough to actually enjoy the money all to themselves upon retiring.
Homebirth
is a great way to have more control of the situation, but, if you go that route, do still know what to do in a hospital situation. I think the transfer rate is around 10% from homebirths to hospitals (that doesn't mean there's a 10% chance something will go wrong, but just a 10% chance there will be a change of plans).
I had my babies in a hospital-attached birth center and I got a call from the people who said they were trying to get the birth certificate info right. It was actually a front for asking a bunch of unrelated questions. They really did have some affiliation with printing birth certificates, but refused to say which questions were relevant.
One thing about giving birth is your brain will be saturated with oxytocin by the time you are holding your baby. This is natural and the purpose is for you to bond with your baby. However, this condition also causes you to be overly trustful (wonder why they try to question a mother for the "birth certificate" immediately after birth?) as oxytocin is also the hormone associated with trust (and forgetting) for both male and female brains. You are at high risk to agree to something you wouldn't agree to otherwise. That's why it's important to know your game plan forward and backward ahead of time and have someone in your corner who will enforce your wishes as well. I know it sounds wacky that your personality can be changed so profoundly by a hormone, but it's true. About when you notice yourself losing your modesty is when that hormone is starting to affect you (you'll think at first it's from being worn down by pain, but it is a more profound effect than that) so be careful what you agree to after that point.
The baby should be passed to you before the cord is even cut and doesn't have to leave your arms for anything-not even a bath-and don't let anyone tell you differently.
Know exactly how soon you can get check out. I was out in 16 hours and 6 hours with my kids. Incidentally, in almost 4 yrs., the 16 hour stay was the most soundly I've slept since and that's because I had people around me I trusted. You don't have to get out just as soon as you can, but it'll help to know ahead of time how soon you can get them to promise to turn around any paperwork. As long as things are going smoothly, feel free to stay long enough to get a nap and make sure you can still pee so you won't have to drag yourself back to the hospital later.
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The Blessing
My wife and I were able to have our child at the hospital without immunizations, without a birth certificate, and without the assignment of an SSAN. My newsgroup has several articles on this procedure. The specific links to articles are:
The Blessing #1 - Prelude: This article talks about finding a physician, how to plan for a birth with complications, and how to draft a public notice to the physicians and the hospital staff about your wishes regarding medication, immunizations, the birth certificate and the Mark of the Beast foretold.
The Blessing #2 - Labor: This article talks about what happened after we got to the hospital and before delivery. Because of service of the Public Notice to the staff, the hospital attorney wanted to remove us from the hospital. Here's what we did.
The Blessing #3 - Delivery: There were complications related to the delivery that required a caesarian section. All would have been for naught if this had been scheduled as a home birth.
The Blessing #4 - Recovery: Here's what happened during recovery. I slept in the room on the floor and we kept Our Blessing out of the nursery and in our presence at all times. There was contention with the hospital staff regarding the birth certificate and SSAN. Here's how we dealt with those issues.
You will first need to log into the site. to do this, go to the Personal Odyssey Home Page, and use the public userid and password found there. If you want to join the group, please use your own Yahoo Groups ID and subscribe.
I report our experiences so that you don't have to fall into the same traps.
At first I was sorry I
At first I was sorry I didn't know the difference between "birth notice" and Birth certificate. I might have done birth notices for my two little children and be done with it. But then, what have we gained? We are products of our corporate welfare bureaucracy blindly talking about "being born free"? There's even talk of needing lawyers to get legal documents without birth certificates or SSNs. We're trading inconveniences to have the illusion of freedom. Believe me, when the state wants you, they'll get you. If your child says she gets beaten at home, HHS will take your child regardless of legal documents. Keep things in perspective: Revolutionary Russia consisted of lots of people with no paperwork. Did that stop them from being collectivized? Does anyone really believe we can prevent our children from being plugged into the Matrix because they're missing a few numbers? I shake my head at such blissful ignorance... I understand the motivation, but I fail to see the benefit in today's technocratic police state.
"Cowards & idiots can come along for the ride but they gotta sit in the back seat!"
I'm having a baby in June
I'm having a baby in June too--some things I learned:
1. Teach the baby in the womb--do not discount this! Also, read The Education of Karl Witte. This can be found online for free as a PDF.
2. If you must vaccinate, don't give the child anything that your parents or grandparents didn't get. At all costs avoid the MMR.
3. Avoid the birth certificate and SSN until the child is old enough to decide on his/her own what to do. If they decide to join in on the sheeple life then it's inevitably their choice. Remember, we are only as free as our options. By avoiding the birth certificate and SSN you are giving your child more options and thus more freedom of choice. In the end, it's their choice. You do not own your child and neither will the State. They will be free to choose their own path or the path you helped obtain for them.
4. Remember, freedom and liberty are the goals, don't be a hypocrite.
What do you mean...
"if you must vaccinate". You do NOT have to let them vaccinate and don't let them tell you otherwise, If you must use hosp., then keep the baby with you at all ties (ike another said here) and make your wishes known BEFORE any birth - home or at the hosp.
Best advise...
Home birth with midwife
No SS# until later in life
NO vaccinations, NOT ONE!
NO DNA taken if born at home
I meant if say the other
I meant if say the other partner or the family pushes for the vaccinations or whatever (I didn't mean the govt.). Some people are in positions that make it hard for them not to compromise. That's why I said, if you must, then don't give the baby anything your grandparents didn't get. My grandparents lived until 90 so I think that's a safer compromise.
Please do not vaccinate OR get SS #
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These are several great threads on the Daily Paul about vaccinations.
Here's a great thread about Social Security Numbers and why NOT to get your baby branded with one.
For one, they use it to TRACK your kid with whether or not been vaccinated.
Take a look at this thread:
Warning....do NOT get your newborns Social Security Numbers
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www.vaclib.org
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After having our two babies
Here's what I'd do different-Home Birth, no social security number, and no hepatitis shot at birth. I'd definitely recommend buying this magazine: http://www.republicmagazine.com/issue-13-the-pharma-plague/ for alot of great information. We had midwives for the first two (which I would recommend), did natural childbirth (for the first one it was easy). Remind your wife to NEVER bend at the waist because doing this has a tendency to wrap the cord around the babies neck (we found out with our second baby).
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Thats great........dont let them take any DNA samples.
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Congratulations, Americandodo.
It's clear you've already begun to be a good parent, looking for the best advice and ideas for your baby. And while tsoldren's post below makes a good point about some of us kooks here and on the 'net, you've been given a lot of good advice; now it's your job to see what is right for your family.
The study of medicine is still such an imperfect science. As parents we must make decisions for another human, a very difficult job. You'll study and learn and ultimately decide based on your own comfort level. It's easiest to follow your pediatrician's advice, but it may not be correct. Personally I found midwives far more knowledgeable and flexible than MDs for all but severely problematic births.
If you don't go with orthodox medicine you'll need to do a lot of research -- AND learn how to give your child the best possible start with natural, organic, low-glycemic foods, pure water -- plus of course mother's milk for the first year at least.
My biggest caution if you go the unorthodox, natural route is to beware of pediatricians and hospital staff. With our first child when we refused the eyedrops, vaccines, etc. we not only didn't allow the baby out of our sight; but when we were pressured to an uncomfortable degree, my husband called his attorney who came over to advise us and advocate for us.
Some pediatricians are very controlling. If parents don't allow a child to receive all the vaccinations a physician thinks "necessary" for the child's protection, he/she can report you to child services. Make sure you never have a pediatrician who strongly disagrees with the direction you choose. You are the expert when it comes to your child. One size does not fit all.
Whatever you decide, enjoy learning and growing in wisdom with your child and your wife. Have great fun!
Some good points but
if you don't have a "birth certificate" child services can't do anything legally. All you need to say is my child is NOT a ward of the state he/she does not have a birth certificate and you have no legal standing to interfere with me and my child, good day.
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My Son
Was born in a hospital - prepaid everything in cash - the hospital made a note that he was born with the attending physician's signature - a birth notice but no birth certificate which makes your child a ward of the state and then HRS can take them away. The birth certificate is the nexis so I would suggest -
1. When the hospital gives you all their paper work to get sssn and birth certificate - take the papers gracefully and say thank you and if they ask for them say, that's OK, I can take it from here.
2. Would not get my child shots - my son had a couple but wouldn't give him MMR (which has increased autism in this country) and hepatitis because that is for 3rd world type countries (we may get to that point though)
3. Use natural herbs, diet and exercise. Herbs come in many forms and start using God's form of healing which he provided through herbs, etc.
My son is a free born American with no state or federal papers - but his information is documented in our family Bible which is, at law, legal and binding (at least for now).
Congratulations and be sure when they get to about 14 - monitor their internet actions closely if they like it or not.
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Couldn't have put it any
Couldn't have put it any better myself! Congratulations! You must be very proud. Can't wait for the day I get married and have a kid so I can do the exact same thing. I bet that was a very happy day!
Thanks
Now we contend with the "driving without a license" issue. Told my son, if you want to be free, you need to learn how to fight them on their terms, learn the law. He is a certified level 3 scuba diver at 14 and certified sailor. Both certifications show he is competent and experienced and he is home schooled.
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advice
Here's some advice... don't take any advice from the internet. Seriously. Especially sites that tend to be kook magnets. You should already know this, but look at who this site is dedicated to. Dr. Paul is a baby doctor. He may be too busy, but perhaps a polite note to his wife would solicit a reply.
i didnt get ny son ss#
3 years ago i refused to let my son get a ss #. i had him in the hospital and the nurse told me i had to.i called the nurse in charge over and explained that is was not mandatory . they couldnt force me to. even though it would be nice to get a fat check back every year i would never do that. my sons father and i are not married although we have been together in love for seven years so that my son would not become ward of the state.my only regret is giving him a birth certificate .that i didnt know at the time wasnt mandatory either. otherwise my son would be a free american. dont be tempted and stick to you freedom loving guns on this issue.there is no amount of money that the feds could give me to sell him out.
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