Daily Paul Grassroots Appeal for Help
Thank you to everyone for your patience with the site, and for the exceptional Daily Paul volunteer Mod Squad who have been providing me with moral support as I struggle to get the site back up to speed and running again.
As some of you are aware, the site has been having difficulties over the past few days. I don't think there is anything sinister going on - this is a large, complex, database driven site. Sometimes things break. I am not a programmer - I know just enough to be dangerous, so when things like this happen, I rely on outside, contract-based tech support for their expertise and assistance to get things going again. Please know that I'm doing my best to return the site to functionality as soon as possible, but it is neither easy for me, nor free.
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Since we're stuck up the creek without a paddle at the moment, please allow me to share something of my experience about running the DP over the past 2-1/2 years.
It is difficult for me to imagine the world without the Daily Paul, as it is such a big part of my life. Many times I've wished that I could visit the DP the way all of you do: Just check in care free, see what interesting things are going on, post a few comments, engage in some debate, then leave until the next time.
For me, it is work: Is the site running smoothly? Is it being attacked? Has a spammer defaced the site? What kind of a flame war is under way? Does someone need to be banned? Am I being personally attacked? (On Christmas Day 2007, I tuned in to find an active forum topic titled, "Michael Nystrom is a member of the NWO!")
And then there is the email -- at least 15 per day that require some type of action or response on my part: "I can't log in...", "Can you delete this comment..." "Someone posted my phone number...", "Please check this post / comment. ... it is racist / sexist / otherwise evil", "Can you look at my video/blog/article and PLEASE please post it to the front page... THIS IS IMPORTANT!" etc.
And then there is the invisible, behind the scenes network. There are the phone calls and daily conversations with other members of the community about what is going on within the movement, developments underway, events and candidates to promote, and endless analysis as to whether the candidates and events are true grassroots events or co-opted, corporate, neocon plants...
It takes its toll, as you can imagine. These pressures remain, 24/7/365. You turn on the Daily Paul and it is like water from the faucet - always there, always on. For me, it is a full time job, and the time commitment puts an increasing strain on my personal and family life.
I can only imagine what it is like for Dr. Paul.
I am of course grateful to the advertisers on the site, but advertising brings in less than you would think. This site gets no outside funding support from corporations, foundations, angels or even the C4L. As a true grassroots creation, we're basically on our own here. Please consider that I'm a regular citizen just like you - a dude with a blog and a certain awareness and a particular set of skills that allowed me to get this website up and running in January 2007, before Dr. Paul even declared his candidacy.
And what is the Daily Paul?
People complain about the Daily Paul, of course. They say they "wouldn't invite their friends here," and that kind of misunderstanding - I must admit - hurts. Too much weird stuff, they say. Too many conspiracy theories, etc. But this is my response, as to why I run the site the way I do and why I think it is valuable:
The Daily Paul is a true grassroots community that engages in an ongoing, unmediated, running conversation about the things that are important to us. By unmediated, I mean that there is no corporate or ideological mediation between you and the 30,000 other daily visitors to the site. If you want to ask a question, get or share an opinion, or read the thoughts of the community of others like you, you have access to that at the Daily Paul.
How many others like you do you know in your own neighborhood, among your own friends? If you're like me, it is not many. On the Daily Paul, you are free to educate, speculate, and constructively criticize the world you live in, from (yes) chem trails to 911, to the Federal Reserve, the one party system, the corporate controlled media, and even the C4L.
What I try to do with this site is put Ron Paul's principles of freedom liberty, and kindness, understanding and compassion into action. You may not agree with everything everyone says on this site. You may not be into "conspiracy theories," but you don't have to be.
The point is that if we live in a free society, we can peacefully coexist with one another as we do here (for the most part) on the Daily Paul. Ron Paul, as he modestly states himself, is simply the messenger. But Ron Paul has both an explicit and an implicit message. The explicit message is the one that we're all familiar with: Liberty, economic and political freedom, and sound money. His implicit message is just as important, and is visible in the way he carries himself: Humble. Moral. Kind. Caring. Compassionate. Exercising forbearance, even with political enemies.
We can all learn something from the example that Dr. Paul sets. The kind of community I try to foster at the Daily Paul is based on his example. We can co-exist with our differences as long as we maintain a basic, human respect for one another.
At this point, I need to ask for your help. It is something I feel very uncomfortable doing, but it is necessary in order to keep this site going. The economy has hit me as hard as anyone. Previously I was able to subsidise the site as what I considered a public service. Because of the financial situation, I'm no longer in a position to do this.
If you value the site, what I ask is .50 cents per day - less than the cost of the daily newspaper or a cup of coffee - to keep the Daily Paul going. This works out to about $15 per month. Another main theme of the Daily Paul - working on the open source concept - is that many of us doing a little can add up to a lot.
If you are hesitant, the question to ask yourself is: How else will you be able to maintain access to this tremendous community? When TSHTF, who's opinion will you want most? Which site will you turn to?
Please help keep this very unique site going with a $15 monthly donation (50 cents per day)!
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If you can afford to contribute more, or less ($5 or $10 options also available) please see the donation page (www.dailypaul.com/donate).
Thank you all for your continued support.
Michael Nystrom
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my chips
I kicked a little bit towards the site. Thanks for all you do Michael. Cheers.
I'm gonna break my rusty cage and run.
I've offered serveral times with no response.
I own a hosting company. It's my own office. I have servers, bandwidth, power, the works. I even have a very expensive firewall that detects threats, DDoS attacks, viruses, etc. I host nearly 2,500 websites for people. 24x7x365. I am in front of the computer for 80+ hours a week. I have been in the business for 12 years and have nothing but positive comments from customers.
It costs me very little to host a site like this for someone. I have servers just sitting around. I have spare bandwidth, power, and resources.
I've offered on at least 5 occasions to host The Daily Paul for FREE in exchange for a small ad, a link, a mention, or anything. Yet, nobody has contacted me back. Nothing. I've offered. Nobody took me serious.
While I could easily pay to help DP out, I don't understand why nobody would take me serious. I've been on this site since the beginning. I have given a tremendous amount to many causes (RP Radio, Blimp, Granny Warriors, etc, etc, etc,) and including Dr. Paul's campaigns and organizations. I've never given money to any other political organization, ever before until I heard about Dr. Paul.
So, if someone out there is interested, it would really help out. Plus, I have tons of experience in hosting, DB optimization, caching, load balancing, fail-over, redundancy, etc. The ball is in your court, Michael.
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A great empire, like a great cake, is most easily diminished at the edges. - Ben Franklin
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A great empire, like a great cake, is most easily diminished at the edges. - Ben Franklin
Just bought one of your good lookin'
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Michael ~ Just bought one of your good lookin' ' The shot heard 'round the world!' - Rally at Lexington Green - April 19 - posters
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/89143
I will do a monthly donation AS SOON AS I find a regular job...
am working on the new portfolio now. ;-)
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Just a suggestion ~
Why don't you add an edited version of this thread beneath the Search Button to remind everyone more strongly to donate monthly.
http://www.dailypaul.com/search.html
I donated what little I could today,
Will do more when possible.
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done, thanks michael
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MMJ - Thank you very much.
MMJ - Thank you very much.
Michael
You are the man. The site is an awesome resource for the Liberty movement. It is like our national mailing list. I don't know where we'd be without it.
Advertising Revenue is a Joke
I know that from personal experience with a web site that gets about 200K views a month..things used to be a LOT better. On this site, half or more of the banners don't appear to be paid ads anyway. The top one is an Amazon ad... their commission is pitiful. Not to mention if you have a site people visit frequently, they most likely tune out the ads.
My guess is if you got a million hits a month, things still would be very tight - and that is before hiring tech help.
DO NOT click over and over on ads to try to help, that can cause a publisher to lose the ads as many ad revenuers check IP addresses for fraudulent clisks.
That being said, I'll email you privately about finances, I'm interested in advertising.
Thanks Michael
I love the DP...it has become my favorite source for news and ideas. I donated for the first time today...I will try to do better in the future and pitch in more often. : )
I have been reading this post for a few days and there are a
few things that feel need to be said. First of all, I am happy to donate because I love this site and I can afford to do it. I realize that not everyone can and that does not bother me at all. I consider it a contribution to the movement.
Secondly, Michael, you don't owe anyone an explanation. You asked. Those of us who can will. I honestly hope that you will get enough in contributions to offset all of your costs and then to take your family out to dinner once in a while. I say more power to you! And again...........thanks for all you do.
~Your perception becomes your reality~
~Your perception becomes your reality~
I strongly agree, freddiel, NO EXPLANATION NEEDED!
I come here for the latest news, from the BEST sources ever. This is a great place to network and discuss with mainly like-minded patriots---you can't beat that!!
freddiel, thank you. Very
freddiel, thank you. Very much. Your support means more that you can imagine.
Michael
Cost or Profit
Michael,
Your original post was a plea to offset costs that you are incurring but subsequent posts suggest that you are looking to be compensated and/or to profit from the site. It would be helpful to know if you are looking to use this site as a commercial enterprise or are truly looking cover the costs of running the community. The answer will help many of us determine whether or not we will subscribe.
This site has an identical layout to your other site bullnotbull.com which I assume is a commercial project.
It's OK to say that this site is your business but it may influence where we drive our traffic since there are numerous not-for-profit liberty sites out there.
Revenue from advertising for
Revenue from advertising for sites like these rarely even cover bandwidth, isp charges, and hardware....over the long term.
One must make a "profit" or one DIES
Every life endeavor must be profitable! Even at the cellular level there must be profit....What I mean is that the energy that goes into life must generate more energy or output....if not.....than we as a species would have died eons ago. Profit is simply the efficient use of energy so as to continually have capital (stored energy) in surplus so that it can be re invested to continue the evolution of the individual and thus mankind. We should celebrate the fact the Michael recognizes this phenomenon.
Hi Kaczar, There are
Hi Kaczar,
There are multiple costs to running the site. There are the hard costs in terms of monetary outlays for hosting and programming. There are opportunity costs in terms of the time I spend maintaining the community, which involves all the things I described in the original post. And there are the emotional & psychological costs of being responsible for the community & the site 24/7/365.
I'm looking to cover all of these costs. Depending on your definition, you may think I'm just covering costs or trying to make a profit. My aim is to be able to keep running and expanding it.
I wish I didn't have to ask for contributions. During the campaign season, when the traffic was about 5 times higher than now, advertising, and the sale of my I support Ron Paul posters was enough to cover both the hard costs and the opportunity costs.
Bull! Not Bull is basically a hobby. It is a public service, and it doesn't really make money. There is a myth, that I soon discovered, that websites make a ton of money. I spend about an hour a day on that site, mainly posting news links in the morning. It was once a much larger community, but it died off as my energies shifted here in 2007. Some of it shifted here, but it goes to show what happens to a community that is not maintained or cared for. A community needs to be tended in order to grow and remain vibrant.
So the question of coving costs / making profit blurs. The more the site brings in, the more I can contribute back to it and the community. This is why I ask that if you feel that you get value from this community, and want to see it continue, I ask you to contribute to the extent that you can and in according with the value you feel you receive.
Over the past two + years, you've seen what I have done with the site, and should have a good idea of who I am by my actions.
Whether the site will be my primary business depends on if it is valued enough by the community. I would love to make it my full time job and more. I would love to have a team of liberty loving supporters who are paid to promote the message, rather than have to scrape by on a shoestring.
Whether that happens or not depends on how much individuals value what I'm doing.
I would hope that everyone's decision as to whether to contribute or not will be made based on the value they receive from the site, not on speculation about how much they think I "deserve" or how much "profit" they think I'm making and/or should or shouldn't make.
The more resources I have, the more I can and will put back into the site.
Thanks
I just wanted to clarify that you are running this as a commercial venture, which is fine with me. Folks can now value the subscriptions relative to other profit making news aggregation blogs. If the site was being run as a community to support the liberty movement, we would expect to know how the funds were being spent. The fact that it is a commercial platform to enable 'rants on liberty' means that folks have no reason to ask what it takes to run the site.
You may want to consider migrating the theme over the next many months since aligning to one individual (i.e. Dr. Paul) will lessen the shelf-life of this venture as the liberty movement grows and CFL will capture the attention of the not-for-profit movement.
I'm going to hold off any funding of this site for now but will see how the site grows in form as well as substance. Thanks.
Who says the C4L is "not for
Who says the C4L is "not for profit?"
It's a 501(c), not for
It's a 501(c), not for profit.
Legally, yes. But what
Legally, yes.
But what happened to all of the money that the grassroots gave to the Ron Paul campaign? They've got a big staff, all of whom are raking down fat salaries. Not to mention that Jesse Benton, the grand-son-in-law, is the VP of the operation. For all that money, I'm not sure what kind of value they provide. The real value that is being provided - before and still - is by Ron Paul the man, not the C4L the organization.
Daily Paul has a bigger web presence among the grassroots, is probably more trusted, and it is all run on a shoe string. Michael deserves credit for that. On an ROI basis, DP beats the C4L hands down.
I can't argue with
I can't argue with conspiracy theories. Be careful not to fragment the movement, you'll need more critical mass to be effective in 2010 and beyond.
No conspiracy. Its all
No conspiracy. Its all there if you look, and if you think critically.
You won't see it if you just close your eyes and believe, however. But I don't think that is what this movement is about.
Well said.
I know I get massive value from the Daily Paul. It's the first site I check when I get up every day.
I'm a broke college student, but expect donations from me a.s.a.h.p. (as soon as humanly possible)
Thank you, Michael, so much for your hard work and dedication to our cause. It is much appreciated.
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I totally agree Nothing
I totally agree
Nothing wrong with making money, but if you're asking for donations, people deserve to know what they're paying for and what you're making.
No you do not "deserve" to
No you do not "deserve" to know what Michael is making. It's his business and he can ask for support, or he can enact a mandatory fee before registration if that's what it takes for him to get the DP into profitable territory.
Do whatever you need to do Mike. I'd recommend a minimum fee for registration for every account, be it $5, or $10 or whatever, then offer different levels of subscriptions for premium content and commenting features.
(UPDATE: I reviewed the DP subscription levels and this seems to address the "premium" levels, to a degree... but it might be a good idea for recurring sponsors to get special treatment, such as additional privileges, if they sign longer-term advertising contracts... just an idea.)
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
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"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore
Josh the Free Rider
Josh the Freerider, as I said, what you see is what you get. You've gotten a lot of free promotion for your businesses, yet you say "Hell no!" you won't pay. That's fine. That is part of the free rider problem that every society faces. We all pay the price for it.
This is a voluntary association. I'm making the Daily Paul available, and contributors are paying to help keep it free and open to the general public.
I'll Donate
You are doing a great job. This is a true free market of ideas.
(PS anyway you can ask they red meat sponsor to change that graphic?)
Seriously though you are providing a service to I'd all.
Thank you
for all you do, thanks
I've been meaning to do this for some time waiting for things to get better. Shame on me, I know they aren't going to get better, and yet like so many I depend on this site for the majority of my information. I appreciate the address you left, this way I can add you to my bill pay info and treat this like a regular bill that needs to be paid. Thanks again.
chinkadaro
$15? HELL NO
Michael, I'm not paying $15 after you've plastered this site with ads
Especially ElliotWave, SwissAmerican & some MLM sites.
We know it's no secret you're making more than enough money with ads here.
If that doesn't keep your site up, I don't need to. I can read ads & the same news elsewhere. If I had $15 a month to spare I'd rather buy a book on Amazon, coffee & newspaper? I don't waste money like that!
Josh the Free Rider
Josh, I don't know who you are, or why you specifically have a problem with some ads, but not against your own ads that you've plastered my site with - free of charge -- as Thomas points out below. You:
How much in advertising revenue did I receive from you? ZERO. You are what is known as a free rider, aka a mooch, verging on a spammer.
You want to use the services and siphon off value from the Daily Paul for yourself without paying for it. Free riders are what destroy a society, and what make running a site like this impossible.
Yes, I've seen you placing your free ads over the months - did I ever ask you to stop? Did I ever ask you to pay? No, I didn't. Yes, it annoyed me. Free riders annoy me. But I never said anything, and I let you keep hawking your crap.
And so this is how you thank me, and the Daily Paul, for driving traffic to your online businesses?
If you don't have the money to pay, that is fine. I'm only asking for those who can afford it, and those who find value in using this site to help support the costs so that I can keep it going for the benefit of the community. This is the definition of voluntary association.
If it is "no secret" that I'm making "more than enough money" from the ads, then it is a secret from me. But by your logic, if online advertising is so profitable, you must be raking it in, right? All those t-shirts, and coins and websites, and hosting you're selling. You've got a website, so you must be a millionaire!
And you can't afford a measly 15 bucks? Pathetic.
No more free advertising for you, kid.