HR 450 Act forces Congress' return to limited government
I've never heard of this guy, but I like him already. Anyone from his district? Is it any surprise that Ron Paul is one of the co-sponsors? I posted the other sponsors at the bottom. This is a bill we should get behind. Sorry if this is old news. Peace...
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As a reminder of the federal government's limited powers, 20 representatives want to ensure that every single piece of legislation passing through Congress includes a statement citing specific constitutional authority for enacting it.
Sponsored by Rep. John Shadegg, R-Ariz., H.R. 450, or the Enumerated Powers Act, states, "Each Act of Congress shall contain a concise and definite statement of the constitutional authority relied upon for the enactment of each portion of that Act. The failure to comply with this section shall give rise to a point of order in either House of Congress. …"
When he introduced the proposal Jan. 9, Shadegg gave a House floor speech reminding his colleagues of limited authority granted in the 10th Amendment of the United States Constitution.
It states, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
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CO SPONSORS
Rep Bachmann, Michele [MN-6] - 3/2/2009
Rep Bilbray, Brian P. [CA-50] - 3/2/2009
Rep Bishop, Rob [UT-1] - 3/6/2009
Rep Blackburn, Marsha [TN-7] - 3/26/2009
Rep Boozman, John [AR-3] - 2/3/2009
Rep Broun, Paul C. [GA-10] - 1/21/2009
Rep Conaway, K. Michael [TX-11] - 3/3/2009
Rep Foxx, Virginia [NC-5] - 3/9/2009
Rep Garrett, Scott [NJ-5] - 2/25/2009
Rep Gohmert, Louie [TX-1] - 2/2/2009
Rep Goodlatte, Bob [VA-6] - 3/2/2009
Rep Heller, Dean [NV-2] - 2/25/2009
Rep Hoekstra, Peter [MI-2] - 2/25/2009
Rep Lamborn, Doug [CO-5] - 1/26/2009
Rep Mack, Connie [FL-14] - 2/26/2009
Rep McHenry, Patrick T. [NC-10] - 3/9/2009
Rep Paul, Ron [TX-14] - 2/2/2009
Rep Poe, Ted [TX-2] - 3/11/2009
Rep Roe, David P. [TN-1] - 2/2/2009
An Arizonans perspective
Since you asked for opinions from those who know Shadegg, I am in Arizona and here is some news from the Shadegg saga.
Our county and state GOP chairmanships and various other positions have been won by "grassroots" type people beating in tough battles the entrenched McCain, Shadegg, Kyl "country club" types. As a block, Ron Paul supporters in the party voted for the grassroots guys, specifically state chairman Randy Pullen. Mr. Pullen has been courteous to us and respectful and welcoming. He is also much more smaller government than his twice defeated challenger Lisa James who is more of a moderate and a bigger spender.
Anyways Shadegg is VERY MUCH in the camp of Ms. James. Here is a blog post from today with what I refer to as some fairly scandalous words from Mr. Shadegg. http://seeingredaz.wordpress.com/2009/04/15/shadegg-urges-big-tent-ouster-of-current-state-and-county-gop-leadership/
One further note I will make is that due to Mr. Shadegg's vote for the Bush stimulus bill, local Ron Paul Republicans presented Mr. Shadegg with some nice big signs reading SShadegg with the look of a Germany type SS spelling as he pulled into a fancy awards ceremony put on by the Goldwater Institute.
We don't like Shadegg. He is a snake. Flake is finding his way into this camp as well. I believe power corrupts and these guys ar elooking to make it up the next rung of the ladder. BEWARE.
Great thread:
With some very insightful comments. It opens the mind to bigger things.
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Thanks for the link
done and bumped.
Colchester, New London County, Connecticut
The Enumerated Powers Act is
The Enumerated Powers Act is extremely important to get passed. It is a great thing for our cause. In addition, we should be supporting the Read the Bills Act as well. Both would provide great benefits toward forcing our government to honor their oaths in supporting and upholding the Constitution.
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This is easy
All "unconstitutional" bills will be explained like this:
Commerce Clause
Thank you, and good night.
Your correct.
And no one here can begin to comprehend what that means, except for a few of us.
However, once they play that move that will force the people to educate themselves; Finally shedding like that the US Government is in fact a corporation(literally, like Federal express) serving private needs.
I reserve the right to govern myself.
I reserve the right to govern myself.
A definition would be convenient here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause
Introduction:
"The Commerce Clause is an enumerated power listed in the United States Constitution (Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3). The clause states that Congress has the power to regulate commerce with foreign nations, among the states, and with the Indian tribes. Courts and commentators have tended to discuss each of these three areas of commerce as a separate power granted to the Congress of the United States. It is common to see the Commerce Clause referred to as "the Foreign Commerce Clause", "the Interstate Commerce Clause", and "the Indian Commerce Clause", each of which refers to a different application of the same single sentence in the Constitution.
Dispute exists as to the range of powers granted to Congress by the Commerce Clause. As noted below, the clause is often paired with the Necessary and Proper Clause, the combination used to take a broad, expansive perspective of these powers. Many strict constitutionalists deny that this is the proper application of the Commerce Clause."
The US Gov IS a corporation for Liberal Bankers.
It was created as a Government corporation for liberal bankers long ago, to this day it still is Robert Kagan's government.
Commerce Clause is a fraud and its the UCC code that rules.
Get McIntook onto this bill....n|t
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I am Faxing and sending this letter to my Representatives
April 11, 2009
Mr. Cliff Stearns
Representative
House of Representatives
2370 Rayburn House Office Building,
District of Columbia 20515-0906
Dear Mr. Stearns,
I am writing to request your support for HR 450, the Enumerated Powers Act.
Right now the people are looking for leadership to return this country to sound legislative footing.
You have sworn to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. This legislation will simply identify the Constitutional Authority for the enactment each portion of an Act being considered. In this way, this legislation will provide transparency to your actions as they relate to your support for the Constitution.
I would like you to Support the Constitution by
Co-sponsoring and
Voting for
HR 450, The Enumerated Powers Act.
If you will not support this legislation, please explain to me, in writing, why you will not.
Sincerely yours,
Flyers to fax to your congressman
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#1 - http://www.jeffersonrepublican.com/hr/HR450.pdf
#2 - http://www.jeffersonrepublican.com/hr/HR450_B.pdf
I think this is a very important piece of legislation that may set
a new precedence in congress.
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- Ron Paul is my president.
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I have a group on facebook to share this information and get this bill passed.
Do you know if the picture in the 2nd fax is copyrighted?
Read the text of the bill, it'll blow you away...
The text of this was so short, I thought maybe the site I checked had cut off the text. Checked three sites, and no, this is just lovely, so brief and concise. Couldn't *all* legislation be this way?
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:h450:
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.
Is anyone going to enforce it?
You know.., kinda like they do now....... ( sarcasm )
My sentiments exactly
They completely ignore the Constitution now, what difference does it make if they contrive some clause of it as granting them power to pass this or that bill?
The enforcers of the Constitution were the States. Since Lincoln destroyed all possibility of that check and balance ever working again, forget it. Not gonna happen.
Short of a governor and a State Legislature growing a big pair and telling the Feds to shove off, and backing that up with the intent to use force to defend their State if necessary, there will be no way to enforce the Constitution. As long as A-holes are in government and refuse to abide by it, there is nothing we can do.
(OF course, everyone, especially the military and law enforcement who are sworn to preserve, protect, and defend the CONSTITUTION would be our first line of defense and enforcement, but we all see what a bang up job they are doing in that department)
*No, I do not mean to impugn any of those people for the job they have done, but rather take them to task for the only job they swore to do, and have steadfastly refused to carry out.
Way to go Pat!
I live in North Carolina and I see that my Rep. Patrick McHenry is on board with this bill. Makes me feel good about my vote. I just called him to let him know that I am thankful that he has signed on. I also think that we should all call our reps to not only let them know that we want them to support this but also call the ones that already do and thank them. Let them know that we are watching! His staff knows me by name now and that is the way I like it. Think about it. An E-Mail is good but a call shows that you have taken the time out of your day to pick up the phone, dial the number, and let them know that you do care and that you are watching. Just a thought from western North Carolina. ..... And no mater what anyone tells you, you are not alone in this great struggle of ours. Take care.
If they want MY vote, they need to tell me why they are better than the other guy, not why the other guy is worse than they are.
Way to go Pat!
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If they want MY vote, they need to tell me why they are better than the other guy, not why the other guy is worse than they are.
Way to go Pat!
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If they want MY vote, they need to tell me why they are better than the other guy, not why the other guy is worse than they are.
Way to go Pat!
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If they want MY vote, they need to tell me why they are better than the other guy, not why the other guy is worse than they are.
Youtube videos on HR 450
Here is a video to share with friends to inform them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO34V5CKmnI
If you want it passed then here's a strategy to get it done
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRUBTUfPDLs
Shadegg voted for the
Shadegg voted for the bailout. In fact he was a flip flopper who first voted no, then changed to yes when pressure was applied. Where is his "concise and definite statement of the constitutional authority relied upon for the enactment of each portion of that Act"
I support the legislation but do not for a minute support Shadegg.
Couldn't agree with you....
MORE!!!!
Shadegg voted no on the Sept bailout, but then in Oct... not only did he vote for the next bailout - HE WAS THE ONE WHO INTRODUCED IT TO THE HOUSE FLOOR.
I'll be looking for him on Wed of the 15th. It's a wonder where all of his last minute advertising money & ads came from in Oct?!?!?
As for the bill - if Ron Paul's on board, then so am I.
CYA
Shawn
www.sovfuture.com
I recieved this in an email this morning
And this is my response to it:
This Act will do NOTHING. Congress can justify ANY Law they create through the 14th Amendment. This is the MAJOR problem with this movement, everyone reads the Constitution UP TO the 14th Amendment, and then they STOP reading.
As I've said many times before, the 14th Amendment changed the entire Constitution. And very few seem to understand this. Probably to busy listening/reading Alex Jones, Prison Planet, calling/emailing Reps and the such to do any serious research on the Law.
Prior to the 14th Amendment, each State was a Nation in and of itself. And each of these Nations joined in the Constitution, a Pact between these Nations. And this is what the Constitution WAS, a pact between these Nations, NOT between the People and the United States. There are Supreme Court ruling PRIOR to the 14th Amendment that.
Each State is STILL a Nation in and of itself. There is only ONE area in the "United States" that is NOT a State. Washington DC. All of the States are Governed by the Constitution, EXCEPT Washington DC. Washington DC is NOT governed by the Constitution, the Constitution CLEARLY states this Fact:
Article 1 Section 8, "To exercise EXCLUSIVE Legislation in ALL Cases WHATSOEVER, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by CESSION of particular States..."
The D of C is NOT held to the Constitution, is is NOT a party to the Constitution and NEVER has been. This is clearly evident by checking Ratification of each and every Amendment as well as the Constitution itself. Washington DC has NEVER ratified the Constitution or any of its Amendments. Not only has it never ratified any of these, the Constitution and its Amendments have NEVER been submitted to Washington DC for Ratification because it IS NOT A STATE. The Constitution, originally, was a Pact between the Several States, between one State to each other State, NOT between the State and Washington DC. And since Washington DC was not, IS NOT, one of the Several States, it is not under the "Umbrella" of the Constitution. It is Governed EXCLUSIVELY by Congress in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER.
The 14th Amendment, by CREATED A NATION of DC, the Nation is called "The United States". It is in FACT not a Nation, it is a Municipality, it is an Incorporated Municipality, just as Lewisville, Denton, Dallas, ect. ect. are Incorporated Municipalities. If one takes the time to read the US Code it is found that there are 3 definitions of The United States. One of them is a Corporation. This is what is being referred to. Washington DC is INCORPORATED as a Municipality, and the name of that Municipality is "The United States" NOT WASHINGTON DC!!!
The 14th Amendment created the "United States" citizen. If you are a United States Citizen, you are a Citizen of the MUNICIPALITY of "The Untied States". And the Municipal Laws of "The United States" are not subject to the Constitution. The Laws of "The United States MUNICIPALITY, as stated twice already, are "EXCLUSIVE Legislation in ALL Cases WHATSOEVER," of the Congress.
And if you read the 14th Amendment, you find that the States may NOT make Laws that override ANY priviledges or imunities of the "United States" citizen:
14th Amendment para 1: "...No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States..."
The Municipal Laws of "The United States" are supreme to ANY State Law. And further, the Municipal Laws of "The United States" are not subject to the restrictions of the Constitution PRIOR to the 14th Amendment.
The 14th Amendment para 1:
"All persons born OR NATURALIZED in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
If you STATE that you are a US Citizen, then you have NATURALIZED. Read the Expatriation Act passed by Congress THE DAY BEFORE the 14th Amendment was announced as ratified. So you don't have to be "BORN" in the Municipality of "The United States" to be a citizen thereof. You only need to request it and therefore you are NATURALIZED. And there are MANY ways that we request this Status, unknowingly and unaware of the consequences. It is through a private Contract between you and "The United States" that you agree to surrender your State Citizenship, and along with it the Constitutional protections, in favor of "the priviledges and immunities" of "The United States".
Originally there was only ONE way to accomplish this surrender. By voting. Only citizens of "The United States" were allowed to cast a vote. Therefore by voting you were taking on this new citizenship. By voting you give positive affirmation that you are either born or naturalized in "The United States" AND that you accept ITS jurisdiction over you, that you accept "EXCLUSIVE Legislation in ALL Cases WHATSOEVER," of the Congress.
By now "they" have added ENDLESS ways in which you accept to opt out of the Constitution in favor. Numerous Federal forms ask you very directly "Are you a Citizen of the United States. You check yes and sign it.
One thing, I have so far failed to point out, that is important to note:
"To exercise EXCLUSIVE Legislation in ALL Cases WHATSOEVER, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by CESSION of particular States..."
EXCLUSIVE Legislation in ALL Cases WHATSOEVER ., means that Legislation written for the District IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE JUDICIARY BRANCH OR THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. It is the Congress that writes these Laws for the District and the other "Branches" of Government are excluded from such legislation, this further Excludes the District from being party to the Constitution.
BUYING A FIREARM
When you buy any firearm, though "Legal" means, you will have to fill out a form, and on that form it will ask you numerous questions. These question APPEAR to be logical safeguards, to protect against "terrorist" purchasing weapons. But in FACT you are entering a Contract as well as AGREEING to abide by ANY Legislation enacted by Congress, which can include surrendering you weapon if requested. You WAVE your 2nd Amendment Right in signing this form. These questions:
Are you a Citizen of The United States?
Have you ever renounced this Citizenship?
What state are you a Resident of?
Are you mentally of sound mind?
1) Are you a Citizens of the United States?
Answer this "No" and you won't get a Firearm.
2) Have you ever renounced this Citizenship?
Answer this "yes" and you won't get a Firearm.
3) What state are you a "Resident" of?
Fill in your State and you have just told them you ARE NOT a Citizen of such state, but a RESIDENT of said State. Put #1 and #3 together and you are Stating, "I am a Citizen of "The United States" RESIDING in the State of ________"
4) Are you mentally of sound mind?
Answer this "No" and you won't get a Firearm. One of the basic requirements to entire into a binding and legal contract is THAT YOU ARE OF SOUND MIND. You are affirming such.
5) Your signature and Date, making a Legally binding Contract.
I'm getting little tired of typing here. The main point of this is NO SUCH ACT OF CONGRESS WILL FORCE RETURN TO LIMITED GOVERNMENT. This is to appease the increasing anger of the people. To return to the Organic Constitution the 14th Amendment must first be abolished as it puts all people under the Jurisdiction of the Municipal Law of the Incorporated Municipality of "The United States" which Law is created by "EXCLUSIVE Legislation in ALL Cases WHATSOEVER," in Congress and is NOT SUBJECT TO the Constitution. In other words THEY CAN USE THE CONSTITUTION TO CREATE ANY LAW THEY WANT.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" Bugs Bunny
"Scwewy Wabbit!" Elmer Fudd
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
Thank you
Thank you for your post and explanation. That makes a lot of sense now when I hear people talk about the 14th amendment.
I have to call you on this Tx;
You say "This Act will do NOTHING."
If your claim is worth anything substantial, then why is Ron Paul wasting his time supporting this bill?
Apparently, it must do SOMETHING, for Ron Paul to be supporting it, and I am quite sure he is very aware of the 14th Amendment.
I have to agree with you bigmike
I can't find anything in the link below that would suggest the 14th can be used by Congress to justify ANY Law they create as Tx says.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_Uni...
That's because IT IS NOT in
That's because IT IS NOT in the 14th Amendment. That power to write ANY Law for the District of Columbia is given to Congress Art 1 Sec 8. Then the 14th Amendment Creates the United State Citizen. Then the Incorporation of DC as a Municipality NAMED "The United States" puts
all the United States Citizens, which are under the jurisdiction of the United States per the 14th, it puts them under the Laws of DC, which is the municipality NAMED "The United States" which Congress has the EXCLUSIVE power to Legislate over in all cases whatsoever.
I wrote all this in the original post, adn I think its clear that I was not saying that the 14th Amendment ALONE created this, but that it is a combination of several things together.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" Bugs Bunny
"Scwewy Wabbit!" Elmer Fudd
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
If that would cause HR 450
If that would cause HR 450 to fail then by the same token the Supreme Court can retire along with the Prez, and we are not subject to executive orders as well.
You know during the
You know during the Reconstruction Acts, the Acts that FORCED the States to Ratify the 14th amendment by Mlitary force, the States Appealed to the Supreme Court on the basis that this Military Force violated Article 5 of the Constitution, which is the procedure for Amending the Constitution. The Supreme Court refused to hear these cases, citing that it was a Political Matter. These cases were actually STALLED until this RUMP Congress passed Legislation prohibiting The Supreme Court to rule on Political Matters. This Supreme Court is PARTY to the Coup of 1868.
President Johnson vetoed all three of the Reconsturction Acts. Read what he had to say about these Acts:
"The purpose and object of the bill - the general intent which pervades it from beginning to end - is to change the entire structure and character of the State governments and to compel them by force to the adoption of organic laws and regulations which they are unwilling to accept if left to themselves."
His ENTIRE statement on the Reconstruction Acts
http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/D/1851-1875/reconstruction/veto.htm
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" Bugs Bunny
"Scwewy Wabbit!" Elmer Fudd
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence