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Could someone please try and access the huftingpost link
and the informationclearing link in my post below?
And also the commondream.com link please
I'm getting paranoid..lol... wondering if those 2 articles have been removed
I am not disputing the right to defend one self
(the government seems to have that in mind for its own citizens though, to take away that right, but that's another topic).
I do believe there are quite a few things with regard to the pirates and Somalia and the ship that the MSM is not telling us.
Both references I have here are more than likely not complete either as far as providing the full story but it may add to a slanted picture of what we have of the situation as is.
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You Are Being Lied to About Pirates
Johann Hari | April 13, 2009
Columnist, London Independent
In 1991, the government of Somalia - in the Horn of Africa - collapsed. Its
nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since - and many
of the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great
opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in
their seas.
http://www.huffingtonpost...
http://informationclearin...
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Putting Today's 'Pirate' Attack in Context
Jeremy Scahill
A US ship, owned by a Pentagon contractor with `Top Security' Clearance, was
seized off the Somali coast. Reports say the US crew has retaken the ship.
But the question remains: Why are the pirates attacking?
http://www.commondreams.o...
The Cost of Defending oneself!
Every American is happy with the outcome of the Alabama Mearsk.
However, how much did the taxpayers spend to rescue the American and kill the 3 pirates?
5 million? 10 million? I don't know!
But for about 1 or 2 thousand U.S. dollars { the cost of several AK-47's } the American seamen could have defended themselves and became hero's without any help.
The second Amendment authorized those American seamen to defend themselves!!!
Something mainstream overlooks!
beesting
Somali Pirates and AFRICOM
Here in Germany these pirates are all over the news for a couple of months. From the first time I heard about the Somali pirates I wondered what the agenda behind this was. Until yesterday when I read an article about AFRICOM (United States Africa Command) that has been activated in October 2008 with its headquarter in Stuttgart, Germany. In my eyes the Somali pirates are the beginning of a new american agenda towards the continent of Africa. I guess soon there will be "War on pirates" all over the place xD
treat the Symptom
not the cause.
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woo hoo!
-Americas thirst for blood
-Americas thirst for blood has been quenched.-
The ransom should have been paid and the owners of these vessels should be free to defend themselves and the cargo against further actions by pirates.
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"I love the Union and the Constitution, but I would rather leave the Union with the Constitution than remain in the Union without it." - Jefferson Davis
"A government of reason is better than one of force." --Thomas Jefferson to Richard Rush, 1820
Oh brother..
You have to be kidding? We all have the right to defend ourselves... as a matter of fact, that is one of the FEW things the government is paid to do -- defend our lives.
You don't seem concerned for the pirate's 'thirst for blood' do you.
These ships should never have gone out without being armed and I hope they ignore stupid UN laws that are not even our own government.
Every citizen must have the right to defend themselves against violence, ESPECIALLY if it's caused by government blowback for which the individuals on the ship cannot be held responsible.
Dr Paul says the same -- they should be able to defend themselves.
I'm not sure I understand
I'm not sure I understand your "outrage".
Just as if there was a criminal here holding hostages,the main goal would be to have no blood spilled and the criminals brought to justice.
In this instance the military got involved,but wasn't there identical situations to this that didn't involve the military?
I agree that everyone has the responsibility to defend themselves.The question is what is the policy of these companies?What or who is stopping people from being armed?
Just as there are companies in the U.S. that have a policy of no firearms on their premises.One would have to judge wether to risk being fired or have the safety/ability of defending themselves.
Sorry I don't believe that the military should save every individual outside of these states.We are either a country of laws & justice or one that kills at the first chance.
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"I love the Union and the Constitution, but I would rather leave the Union with the Constitution than remain in the Union without it." - Jefferson Davis
"A government of reason is better than one of force." --Thomas Jefferson to Richard Rush, 1820
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Pirates?
You mean, "undocumented crew members?"
http://www.dailykenn.com
ok yeah yeah i get it, they
ok yeah yeah i get it, they should have had guns. too late to fix it now. the ship was obeying the bad laws and got into trouble.
if uncle sam is going to forbid US registered vessels from being armed, then uncle sam has a duty to protect US vessels.
i'm giving barry and the seals a big thumbs up on this one. that's the way you deal with asshole pirates!
now do us all a favor and put some guns on them merchant boats.
ditto that
This is the stuff that keeps mainstream Americans at a distance from us. Everybody I know felt a little bit of American pride when they learned of the heroism exhibited by the Seals team as they rescued the captain held hostage. Being negative toward the military's involvement in the rescue operation is a sure way to marginalize ourselves and make Dr No look like an honery disagreeable old crank.
Yes we need to be cautious about using this as an excuse for military buildup in the region. Yes merchant sailors should use this event to challenge the bad laws and arm themselves so they can better defend themselves in the future.
But today I join the rest and say good job Seal team!
those guys do amazing work
those guys do amazing work and their heroism is always appreciated. i will never criticize a president for defending americans who are unjustly attacked, and i'm glad to see barry has a pair of balls. all i hope is that he learns from the mistakes of the bush administration and wields that power responsibly for the next four years.
hmm
why don't the government give the American shipping companies a tax break to to have the funds for liability insurance and guns/ammo.
If i'm a pirate and theres 4 of us...i'm probably not going to mess with 16 people on board a ship when I know they are ALL armed.
Problem solved
Great words but....
the video looks like crap.
We need better looking reports
on the CFL site.
It's amazing...
It's amazing how you can learn more from Ron Paul in 5 minutes than you can in hours of mainstream media watching. I agree, the production quality left something to be desired, but it is the message that matters.
Dr. Paul is right. They will use this to increase the warfare state if history is any indication. This whole situation reminds me of the Iranian speedboat altercation with the U.S. nuclear carrier battle group.
Put a .50 caliber machine gun on the deck of each of these freighters and train a crew-member or two to use it. Arm the rest of the crew with small arms and be done with it.
These pirates are looking for targets of opportunity and are not equipped to take on even moderately armed vessels. The fact that the pirate vessel ran out of gas, control of the ship was wrested from the pirates by the crew, and the pirate crew had a 25% defection rate (the only smart one) reveals that we do not need the might of the U.S. Navy to solve this problem.
So what was OUR ship doing there?
Is Ron Paul saying that the USA is looking for a fight by going into dangerous charted waters, that we created with Black Hawk Down?
I found the video spooky.... Ron Paul kinda looked like he was being interveiwed by AlQaida.
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These ships should be defending themselves.
It's the libertarian school of tough love...
But it makes the most sense from a individual liberty standpoint.
The revolution will not be televised...
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Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it. ~Thomas Paine
Mixed feelings
I have mixed feelings about this tape.
On the one hand, I wonder whether blowback affects criminal activity in the same way that it affects terrorism.
On the other hand, I strongly agree with Dr. Paul that private companies should take full responsibility for their own security. Bring the troops home around the world, pay off the deficit, and cut taxes. Let private companies make their own business decisions about where to go, what security forces to bring with them, and whether it would be cheaper to reroute. There's no reason they can't hire the cream of the crop of ex-Navy Seals to be their elite security forces. No need for the gov't to declare War on Piracy along with all the other big gov't wars we have going on.
In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock.
-- Thomas Jefferson
I agree, but
At the moment NATO, Russia and China are sending ships to monitor the million square-mile area. I think, in the short term, this is good. A massive show of firepower by the international community could be a deterrent in some way.
I think the international warships should continue to remain until the merchant vessels can get trained professionals (as you suggest) aboard. This kind of training takes time, as well as supplying the crew with weapons, and ammo.
Satellite recon would also be extremely helpful, since it would track the approach of other vessels to the merchant chips. This is not inexpensive, and also requires a good crew and tech support.
So I agree with you, but I don't see the merchant ships being ready to defend themselves for at least six months.
That would be fine with me
Even Jefferson used the military against the pirates.
However, if we followed your suggestion, then I would like to see companies reimburse the taxpayers for short-term use of military, satellite recon, etc. If the cost is too high, then let the companies change their routes. Any other approach would undermine Ron Paul's proposal to bring U.S. troops back to our borders to defend our own country.
In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock.
-- Thomas Jefferson
Why aren't merchant sailors allowed to defend themselves?
Dr. Paul brought out a good point when he stated that the shipping owners wouldn't allow the seamen to defend themselves.
I have been on several deep sea charter fishing boats and all of them displayed weapons, usually in the Captains cabin or quarters.
If it's O.K. to scare off a great white shark, it should be O.K. to scare off a would be pirate, in my opinion.
beesting
I think they can
I think the merchant mariners are allowed to defend themselves, but the owners prefer to rely on the navies. Obviously, if they had even small arms, the pirates would not be able to board a ship from their puny little speed boats.
any word if Captain Kidd,
any word if Captain Kidd, Long John Silver, Captain Hook, or the ghost of Blackbeard are still roaming those parts?
Do the pirates make you walk the plank?
Do they yell "yo ho ho and a barrell of rum!"
I've always been partial to Bartholomew Roberts.
A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for James Madison.
Red Beard was my favorite
Red Beard was my favorite pirate.
I kinda like Capt. Crunch......
he is a pirate right?
No way. Morgan was
No way. Henry Morgan was badass.
Anyway, you never know about the decisions you make until the scenario plays itself out fully.
We should look to our Founding Fathers for advice and look at what they did (ultimately) in regards to the Barbary Pirates. Afterall, the Bainbridge was there ..
Ah yes! Captain Henry
Ah yes! Captain Henry Morgan! I was actually hired by a modeling agency back in 1995 to dress up like Captain Morgan and give out free shots at bars. (with two hot morganette girls)
I had to learn about Henry Morgan, I believe he lived in the 1660s.
Maybe someone can look it up on wikipedia?
A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for James Madison.
what's with the weird
what's with the weird editing?