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Calling on John Tate and the C4L

Where are you? I gave money and I want to see it in action. Do you have people making phone calls to get on TV and radio to claim our movement as it is being stolen and twisted by the very Republican Party operatives who tried to ruin us. Why do I not see you on TV and hear you on the radio. Do you need people to go and try to get on TV, be in the paper, be heard on the radio? Why haven't you asked me to do anything other than document information on a web site?

I see Cato, Club for Growth, etc. out there on TV. Where are all the C4L spokespeople? Are you hiring? appointing? anything? You said yourself in the training in Minneapolis that Blogs Don't Work.

Where are you? People should hear about tea parties and immediately associate them with the Campaign for Liberty.

Believe me, I want you (us) to be successful. I need some action now!



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On the plus side the C4L has come a long way in a short time. They put on the Rally for the Republic, they revamped their website (I liked the old's comment section better), they've just had their regional conference. I get email, snail mail, and phone calls from them. I have an email in my inbox now from one of my meetup groups entitled "Tax Day Tea Party - C4L Promo Event." This is for the big NYC Tea Party.

I'm not sure if the C4L should be pumping the tea party angle too much. The C4L isn't really a protest movement. To me the C4L ought to be above protesting and it should represent positive positions on freedom and policies which support natural law.

But I too am frustrated by a lack of transparency. I've donated quite a bit to the C4L and I'll probably continue to give. Hopefully, this is an issue they'll address in the near future.

We need to be putting effort

We need to be putting effort into things like Committees of Safety: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/89689

...and Sheriff Richard Mack: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/89648

Start a new group.

A lot of people complain about the C4L now. I don't think it's justified.

I don't think supporting them is necessarily justified, either. I think "waiting and seeing" is the logical response.

Meanwhile, the angry folks who don't like getting money contribution SPAM in their mailbox from the Campaign for Liberty--just delete it, like I do.

Start a new group, instead of complaining. There's plenty of room out there in the political system.

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SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States

I respect your response, but

I respect your response, but I have given thousands. Why do I start over after all we have been through? The foundation is there. I am not complaining. I am discussing.

Don't look to the C4L for help

Get active yourself. They're just a bunch of bloggers who are waiting for Ron's next presidential campaign, Noone else in the liberty movement is relying on them, so why should we?

I give them credit for not screwing up much in the past and allowing the people to get involved in the campaign and do things on their own, which created the most successful grassroots campaign ever. But telling people to write their representatives - which is obviously a waste of ink, paper and time or to get involved in one of the most corrupt organizations in the country - the republican party is definitely a failing strategy. They can't control the liberty movement - and to me that's a good thing.

They're doing a good job of getting Ron on the air, his profile has increased a lot in the last few month, but other than that they have nothing to contribute.

Great Point

Since when have "WE the People" needed some big entity in the sky to solve all of our problems? We have to keep the network alive. I look at C4L as a networking group... They might have an office somewhere but the real meat is in the network. It is not them reaching out to us and telling us what to do and when it is us reaching out to each other and others in our own communities. We should look to C4L to provide information or help make reaching out easier for us to do... not doing it themselves. It is funny this post is just like the Americans having won the revolutionary war debating and considering appointing a king.

I don't want a king. I want

I don't want a king. I want a return on my investment.

Yesterday

I recieved a letter from C4L. In it was a generic letter to my representatives saying that I do not support Obama's budget. I sign send it back to them postage paid and they send it out.

"I don't want to be in a battle . . . but
waiting on the edge of one I can't escape
is even worse"

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

Why do you need them to do

Why do you need them to do that?

Sounds like another form of government waste.

allegory - ˈalɪg(ə)ri/ - noun - 1. a story, poem, or picture which can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.

Good question

I don't think it is unreasonable.

"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

how much it would cost to print 5 million flyers

to give away at 2000 tea parties across the nation?

and how many millions of dollars does CFL still have from the campaign?

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government -- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
-- Patrick Henry

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Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Meanwhile, what should YOU

Meanwhile, what should YOU be doing?

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Trust in God, but tie your camel tight.

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/user/BeaReady/
http://www.ohiofreedom.com/subd/

Trust in God, but tie your camel tight.

"Socialism needs two legs on which to stand; a right and a left. While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,they both march in the same direction." - Paul Proctor

don't worry about me, I am

don't worry about me, I am doing my part. but then again, no one sent me any money either.

This is tough love as I want this C4L to work for us.

Then take it to THEM instead

Then take it to THEM instead of gossip threads on blogs.

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Trust in God, but tie your camel tight.

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/user/BeaReady/
http://www.ohiofreedom.com/subd/

Trust in God, but tie your camel tight.

"Socialism needs two legs on which to stand; a right and a left. While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,they both march in the same direction." - Paul Proctor

Trust me, they are reading

Trust me, they are reading this.

So, you think the Daily Paul is gossip? I thought it was where we talked things out and came to conclusions. I thank you for your opinion.

C4L is a one man show

That man is Ron Paul.

Ron Paul does all the work. He's the spokesman and the voice of the movement. I don't know what the purpose of the C4L is, other than to raise money and to give Jesse Benton a job.

Frankly, Dr. Paul's credibility is actually being damaged by the C4L.

allegory - ˈalɪg(ə)ri/ - noun - 1. a story, poem, or picture which can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.

I agree with you.

Young Americans for Liberty is doing so much better, and representing Dr. Paul much better for it. I'm starting to wonder whether he should put all his efforts into YAL and abandon C4L personally.

Besides the website, I don't see much coming out of it.
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This is what happened to Nader

You get so many people claiming your message as their message, yet, none have a voice, individual, or collective loud enough, so they fight for representation from the candidate on issues.. Green Party literally broke in two, GPUSA and GP, because Nader refused to join the GP (international), and then he refused to join either one! But he knows their history and that MSM stays in control while people fight for representation from one man...

I see people now flocking to Rand Paul in hopes he can ride on his fathers coat tails.

Meanwhile, the NWO is grooming and vetting their up and comming..

C4L and YAFL should be vetting, grooming, giving support to people who agree with Ron Paul's principles and are interested in being in office. It takes millions to run, so finding candidates isn't easy, especially when we're up against a machine that percieves us as part of the problem, and we're a minority.

Who owns Ron Paul?

Good question

I jumped into the campaign, and wound up with very similar questions. Fool me once... The CFL has to prove they will earn my money before I even consider sending them a dime. So far, my money is in no danger of being sent to them.

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

Claim our movement!

Simple as that...We're losing it all to the NWO shills in the MSM again.

C4L Claim our movement! Claim our movement! Claim our movement! Claim our movement! Claim our movement! Claim our movement!

Don't rely on them to "claim

Don't rely on them to "claim our movement." That is just going back to apathy. Send them money and hope they do some work? How's that working out so far?

It is up to us. We did it during the campaign - we can do it again.

allegory - ˈalɪg(ə)ri/ - noun - 1. a story, poem, or picture which can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.

best activist post of the day

should be front page*)

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government -- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
-- Patrick Henry

LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
http://www.dailypaul.com/203008/south-carolina-battle-of-cow...
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Good common sense question.

Bump...

"I don't want to be in a battle . . . but
waiting on the edge of one I can't escape
is even worse"

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

Bump!

Bump!

Yep

Globalist Perry is going to be the big keynote speaker as he talks about sovereignty in Texas and Glenn is touting him BIG TIME.

great post

CFL should put some of that money left over from the campaign to good use.

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government -- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
-- Patrick Henry

LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
sometimes LL can suck & sometimes LL rocks!
http://www.dailypaul.com/203008/south-carolina-battle-of-cow...
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I agree they need more spokespeople and media outreach

I am a pretty good interview, maybe I need to contact the C4L folks.

MORE MEDIA FACE TIME WITH A CONSISTENT MESSAGE.
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Seriously, contact them

-they need people who can give good interviews.