Australian Prime Minister John Howard (one of Bush's closest allies in Iraq) has just been unseated by Keven Rudd, who pledged to pull all combat troops out of Iraq immediately.
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Wait & see
I just hope there's not a big difference between what he campaigned on and what he actually does in office. Recent history doesn't inspire confidence, in that both parties have expressed support for anything and everything that Dubya has ever said or done.
Can we call it...
Coalition of the Fleeing now?
I guess there is still Maldavia. Or was it New Guinea?
History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
America just elected an anti-war president!
Next year around same time, there will headlines:
America just elected an anti-war president!
Mark my words
Go Ron Paul!
No need to celebrate
He's not anti-war. From what I understand, he supports the phony "war on terror". Get over it.
Good Riddance To Howard He Caused A Lot Of Innocent To Suffer
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Well..
Rudd's position DEFINITELY ain't pulling the troops out immediately...
He's more inclined to be anti-war than Howard, but he definitely ain't PRO-Peace... Soldiers plan to be moved out of Iraq and into Afghanistan, so its more like a shuffle. Liken it to the democrat's plan, accept a whole lot better [in between their position and Ron Pauls'].. The Iraq war, really wasn't an issue here.. Basically, we are there - until the US is, frankly..
The media kind of remarked that there was not a big hatred or disliking of Howard.. lol, totally disagree there.
But for all those that are saying Australia has voted Socialist thats BULLSHIT... If you want welfare, the Liberal party - under Howard HAS paid the most out to social welfare programs etc, than ANY LABOR prime minister... the guy was BUYING VOTES... I liked it to National socialism, raped in a liberal shroud. Taxes actually went up 34% per person while he was in power.. YOU DON'T hear about this stuff.
Rudd & labor does have the Unions etc. SO what, the - liberals had Big business.
I think, or would like to - think the Liberals lost, because of their draconian measures all throughtout the campaign. The SECRECY, the DIRTY tricks... the scandals.. The back hand deals with Cheney... Actual high party members for one electorate; handed out material saying that the labor party wanted terrorists to be forgiven, and posed it as an islamic commentary. (They lost in a landslide) That type of shit is why people hated Howard...
This was another LESSER of two evils vote. My analysis, the liberal party is alright but the leadership is bullshit. Rudd is great, but the party sucks ass.. And in the end, you're voting for the party - although they wanted to make it like US presidential elections, all on one man, and nothing to do with ministers..
I voted for the LDP party (Liberty & Democracy Party) - Australia's new Libertarian party formed in 2001, and running in their first election. Basically the RP party ;) ... voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil..
My 5 cents
I'm glad you voted LDP. I was a candidate and can assure you we are a libertarian party. The Liberals are more like the Republicans.
You are correct in that Australia did not vote for the socialists (there are two socialist parties and they failed miserably). However, in general, Australia is a socialist country -- what shade of red just depends on the party.
The person who handed out the anti-Islamic voting propaganda acted alone. His wife is so disgusted, she has left him. Howard had nothing to do with this guy's stupid act.
We'll just have to see if Rudd brings the troops home. I think he will as a "gift" to Australians for voting for him.
Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!
Time will tell if this guy is Rudd or KRudd
Time tells all.
The hills have eyes guy from midnight oil is on the ticket
Does anyone remember the band midnight oil there was a lead singer that looked like the bald guy from the original hills have eyes he is on the ticket with this Rudd guy .I don't think there gonna do anything besides try to clean up the enviroment which will fail when your a short distance away from China.
Saw them live.
Saw them live when I was a student at Indiana University. It was a great show nice date, oh yeah and snuk in a bottle.
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Midnight Oil
Yes, they were one of the first socially conscious bands in the early 80's.The lead singer was an attorney. Heavy on enviromental and citizen rights Down Under.
Already looking at S. America
S. America if things goes south.
South American is
South America is where George WMD Bush is planning on hiding out too... maybe him and OSBLaden can share a cave or something!
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Im in Oz now - my 2 cents
Australians didn't vote against John Howard because they dislike the war. Australians didn't vote for John Howard the last few times because they supported the war. The war is almost irrelevant here and the Australian people like to be on the US's side in any dispute. Especially when Aussie soldiers aren't dying much (which they aren't).
Australians change their government often and John Howard's 4 terms is remarkable - not a humiliation at all. His party didn't lose by a big margin. John Howard lost his own seat in Parliament because unlike most leaders would not move to a safe seat, he stayed in his marginal seat and only just lost against a very high profile reporter (think Bill Moyers).
Australia is a welfare state. But being on welfare is very much frowned on, unlike in Europe, where it is considered semi-acceptable. But Aussies are definitely emphatically not politically correct. And from what I can tell most of them think Dubya is a twit and the war is a mistake, even the conservative ones. But they are against a politically correct pullout. But only because Aussie's aren't dying, I think. I've been here on and off for years.
"What does conservatism today stand for? It stands for war. It stands for power. It stands for spying, jailing without trial, torture, counterfeiting without limit, and lying from morning to night."
Lew Rockwell
I disagree
The war (both in Iraq and Afghanistan) is certainly not irrelevant here. A soldier being killed one day before the election only intensified that feeling. In Brisbane we've had many anti-war/anti-Bush rallies. Have you forgotten the APEC meeting Sydney recently? The city was shut down but the protesters still showed up (albeit some were anti-globalization). If Howard had not gotten into bed with Bush, he'd be Prime Minister today. The whole Liberal Party government was turfed out -- it is a big deal and a humiliation to John Howard and the LIberal Party.
I agree that Australia is a welfare state but, it is hardly frowned upon. Even the middle-class accept welfare -- the "baby bonus", the first-time homeowner "bonus". It's part of the system. They inherited the British welfare mindset.
I also agree Australians are not politically correct, but they will pull the troops because soldiers are dying. We've had two high profile funerals (both attended by the PM and the leader of the Opposition) and covered by the MSM. Australians love their "Diggers" (soldiers) and the whole country mourns when one dies. There was a big change in this country yesterday. A big one -- and Bush will be feeling it soon.
I've lived here for over 14 years and yesterday's election was a huge slap in the face to Howard and, by default, Bush.
Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!
It was Bush
Johnny was kicked out not just because of the war but because of his close ties with Bush & Imperial America simple as that. The Anti-War Anti-Bush Anti-American sentiment that has built up over the last 6 - 7 years has been demonstrated in this election, we wanted a different direction to where Bush was leading us. If JH had of told Bush to stick it a couple of years ago and pulled the troops there is a very good chance he would have been reelected, we want out of this "War of Terror" in which Dubya is so keen to proceed with in Iran. Most of their policies are similar and it wasn't a Huge victory. In my opinion John Howard has been one of the best leaders we have ever had, its just a pity he jumped on the Global Terrorist Conspiracy, but now with Kevin Rudd we are going to jump on the Global Warming Conspiracy.
I voted Johnny but was very Apathetic with the decision, we need economic reform just the same as you guys and we need to move away from socialism, unfortunatly we just moved a step closer with Labour.
We needed a Ron Paul!!!
Nearly
Those antiwar protestors are about as mainstream as the Naderites. Maybe 10% of the population. If the war were as big a deal as you say, JH would have not been reelected some time ago.
About middle class welfare, yep, you have got that right. Terrible but not quite what I meant. Being an out and out dole bludger is bad news here. That's what I mean.
Howard is out mainly because people are just sick of looking at him and they like to change govts often as I said.
"What does conservatism today stand for? It stands for war. It stands for power. It stands for spying, jailing without trial, torture, counterfeiting without limit, and lying from morning to night."
Lew Rockwell
The protestors were only the tip of the iceburg. . .
Australians in Iraq is a "big deal" to most Australians. It's just more of the same subservient ass-kissing the government has been doing since WWI.
Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!
Well then
Why wasn't Howard kicked out in 04? Sorry, all politics is local especially Oz and especially when aside from the recent deaths in Afghanistan, there have been very few fatalities.
"What does conservatism today stand for? It stands for war. It stands for power. It stands for spying, jailing without trial, torture, counterfeiting without limit, and lying from morning to night."
Lew Rockwell
The big "wheat deal"
HE Howard Government used Australia's support for the US in Iraq as a bargaining chip to protect the multibillion-dollar wheat trade with Baghdad.
Documents seen by The Age detail how Australia privately feared the US would muscle in on Australia's dominant trading position with Saddam Hussein's regime.
They show that more than six months before the outbreak of war, Foreign Minister Alexander Downer suggested that military support for the US in Iraq would benefit Australia's commercial position. Once war had broken out, he was concerned that the US would use American deaths in battle as a justification for seizing Australia's wheat trade.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2006/07/02/1151778811475.html
"But...
then came the suckers from Monsanto
Plowing for Profits
U.S. agribusiness eyes Iraq's fledgling markets
Iraq's fertile crescent, the fabled birthplace of ancient grains and agricultural civilization, is emerging as a new market opportunity for American agribusiness. Even as US. officials tout gracious shipments of food aid and technical assistance to thankful Iraqi farmers, the agenda articulated by government agencies and industry groups is clear-Iraq's fragile food sector, battered by decades of war and sanctions, is open for business.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Iraq/Plowing_for_Profits_I...
"For $$$$$$$ - Australien or US, we invade, bomb, kill and torture......"
MSM spins it as a global warming issue.
We all know that's not what it was about. It's about the neocons spreading the war into Iran and Pakistan. Australia wasn't about to go for that. Good on them. We will see if Kevin Rudd follows through on the troop removal.
The neocons see the writing on the wall. They will suddenly become neoliberal when Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination. They will all go running over to Hillary and Obama who are about as anti-war as Genghis Khan.
Already?
Hasn't the establishment already done that?
Rupert Murdoch, the military-industrial complex, health care conglomerates...
It's the media-medical-military-industrial complex now = establishment
Great. Well, I guess that
Great.
Well, I guess that kills off my plan to move to Australia when the neocons and socialists turn America into the USSR...
With Labor's win, Australia is going to be run by labor unions and socialists. The ONLY point of agreement with Ron Paul that these folks have is that they don't support a war... but I'm sure it was for a different, more politically-expedient reason.
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I think our only hope is
To move to the heavily wooded areas of Maine.
I know a few people cut off from 'the grid' as they say that have a fully self sustaining home that is not connected to the government services.
yes but...
> Australia Just Elected an Anti-war Prime Minister!!!
Agreed!
However, from what I've read he also ran on a platform that was very concerned about the environment. And while I agree with Dr. Paul's views on this matter, he needs to have his 'green-friendly sound bites' ready for any debate. If not, it's an area that could cost him points with the undecided.
And the shadow's so bright, it takes the sun out of the day.
Ron Paul is good for the environment!
Think of the pollution our tanks and trucks give off in Iraq. Think of how much oil is wasted there. The blood of innocents is NOT environmentally friendly.
By shutting down overseas bases Ron Paul would drastically reduce the amount of CO2 emissions. Granted, we will have more domestic military bases, but the reduction of the scope of the EPA will HELP alternative clean fuels grow.
My hippy friend has a diesel Mercedes Benz that is retrofitted with a waste-oil engine. When he runs that it smells like popcorn. More importantly he has a very very efficient running car. Biodiesel is the way to go.
Dieselsecret.com is one of the things he uses to retrofit cars
The problem is the some police keep pulling him over because oil lobbyists pay off politicians to restrict competition. These lobbys are in disguise of environmental protection lobbys, but they are there to cut free market competition.
Remove the federal restrictions to competitive fuel sources and you will have a super environmental friendly fuel in less than 10 years, why? because the demand is there.
Necessity is the mother of all inventions.
I agree...
Like I said, I agree that Ron Paul's position is good for the environment.
But all too often elections are won on 'sound bites', and the hysteria surrounding 'An Inconvenient Truth' has helped make the environment a political hot button. All I'm saying is that if Ron Paul comes out and denies that pollution is a contributing factor to greenhouse gasses, it could hurt him with those voters sitting on the fence.
The irony of it would be that those voters would then turn to a candidate that is funded by, and sits across the CFR's table from an oil company.
PS: I applaud your friend's engine :) and did you know that apparently the Deisel engine was originally designed to run on peanut oil? read that somewhere...
And the shadow's so bright, it takes the sun out of the day.
Wake up call to Americans
Australia's Hillary just won.
Ron Paul or Hillary. It's that simple.
Washington doesn't need more lawyers.
It needs a doctor!
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Exactly!
Do people have any self-respect left, or are they completely brainwashed, and oblivious to the reality that surrounds them? WTF!
I am and will do everything I can to get Ron Paul elected!
If that fails, then we move to the woods, and start a Ron Paul nation, and build him a white house.
Michigan Patriot
Soooo True!
Can you say Socialist?! Oh, please ... they have 2,000 troops there. He's only bringing home 550! And signing onto Kyoto? Just what the U.N. needs. Those poor Australians.